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Old 10-17-2016, 04:33 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The cheap and easy way to fix any deficiency in small plants is "FISHTANK WATER" and it's macro loads of dissolved micronutrients. Go to your local pet/fish store and tell them you are starting a 40 gal tank and you need some of their water to start the bacterial process needed for a healthy tank, before fish are added. Two free bags of water will do the trick. The water has dissolved nitrates, potassium, and many other micro nutrients already dissolved into the water.
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3 ft from the top of the canopy is way too far away regardless of what the deficiency might be. I use LED's(900w)and I keep them around 6 to 8 inches from the canopy without problems.
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Old 10-18-2016, 02:52 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Thanks @slunt, will see how I go.
Thanks @stoneric, too. All sources I found are claiming that the distance should be plenty for LED, but I did lower the light down to 2ft , going to let it run for a day or two, then drop it further. It's quite possible that the "lower priced light" doesn't really bring the claimed light. Cheers for your input mate ��
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3 ft from the top of the canopy is way too far away regardless of what the deficiency might be. I use LED's(900w)and I keep them around 6 to 8 inches from the canopy without problems.
I'm not familiar with LED's, I ain't uptown like ya'll... still old school hps and mh here!
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I'm not familiar with LED's, I ain't uptown like ya'll... still old school hps and mh here!
Man, whenever you can afford it, switch to LED's. I went downstate last weekend and was gone for almost 3 days. I just let the timers do their work and didn't even give it a thought the whole time I was gone. I wouldn't have went if I still used HID's. The savings in your electric bill will pay for them and they work just as good. They are pricey but they're worth it in the long run.
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Wait a sec. Howd this person even find us? Isnt our google link broken, along with the site itself giving crazy warnings n shit? Lol.
To be honest, Firefox was a pain to get to work with yahooka (deceptive site warnings all the time, and can't even switch it off on my tablet), but Chrome let me read and post no worries.
Anyway I'm more than happy to have found an active forum. There are a few others but often needs days to get an answer, which is kinda scary when you need help ASAP! to all!
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I think I actually pinned the issue: I just tested pH and it is just over 7.
I know it's too high, so some research suggested trying to water the plants with coffee as a quick fix, before the sulphur actually kicks in. I added that before planting... Omg, just a newbie mistake...
Anyway, they are drinking some fresh but cold coffee brew and water mix...
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Measured the pH after ten hours, it sits around 6.8
Who would think, coffee can help ?!
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Measured the pH after ten hours, it sits around 6.8
Who would think, coffee can help ?!
I just learned recently you can use coffee for nitrogen. Folks throw their grounds in the veggie garden for some added nitrogen.... but I didn't know it would change ph.
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I just learned recently you can use coffee for nitrogen. Folks throw their grounds in the veggie garden for some added nitrogen.... but I didn't know it would change ph.
Hi Bud, I read the following:
- coffee grounds have an NPK of 2-0-0. So really there is no much benefit of them. But
- Black coffee (the actual drink) has a pH 6.
I actually measured it in my own coffee pot, (and my wife's, too) and it's true, both for "real" coffee and also for instant coffee! Which is good, because instant coffee is real cheap.
I will have to confirm on the overall health and quality of my plants later on. But it seems legit as a quick way to lower pH in soil, at least temporarily and so make the nutrient intake more efficient.
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I imagine lots of acids could be used. I wanna say the most prominent in coffee are formic acid and acetic acid (vinegar).
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Vinegar works. Baking soda if you want to raise it.
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Vinegar works. Baking soda if you want to raise it.
I read somewhere that, while it's true that many acids would work to lower the pH of the soil, they would also have a great time killing all the (useful) microbes in the soil, too.
Not sure if it's true, but sounds legit?
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Hi Bud, I read the following:
- coffee grounds have an NPK of 2-0-0. So really there is no much benefit of them. But
- Black coffee (the actual drink) has a pH 6.
I actually measured it in my own coffee pot, (and my wife's, too) and it's true, both for "real" coffee and also for instant coffee! Which is good, because instant coffee is real cheap.
I will have to confirm on the overall health and quality of my plants later on. But it seems legit as a quick way to lower pH in soil, at least temporarily and so make the nutrient intake more efficient.

Have you ever tried a side project with roses?

I had a rose garden, and the symptoms seem similar.


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Have you ever tried a side project with roses?
I had a rose garden, and the symptoms seem similar.
No, I haven't yet, (thanks for the links above), but I'm happy to report that at the moment my plants seem to recover, new growth doesn't show yellowing!

I gave them two doses of (diluted) coffee, along with regular feedings with "power feed", "seasol", "plant starter" (indole acid solution), and worm wee.
I also daily spray the plants with the "powerfeed+seasol" solution, for foliar feeding.
Will leave them on 18/6 light regime for another few weeks (they are 8-9 weeks old clones), to gain some more growth (to pick up the "lost" time while i was fighting those problems).

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just a lil photo update
(i just sprayed them with foliar feeding solution - seasol+powerfeed+gog o juice)
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