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HobbyGardener 04-02-2017 05:17 PM

Current happenings in my neck of woods
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High everyone!:weed2:
It's been a while since my last report, and some of you asked what's next, so here it is - new grow, new experience, new problems and new solutions!
I'm roughly a month before harvest. Based on my first grow, my White Widows took 77 days of flowering, and could've gone with another 5-7 days.
This time I'm planing with the same time period, but hope to get it done a bit quicker, since I have a bit better lights, better nutes and hopefully my pests under control!! My plants look better than last time, that's for sure. Although, problems are lurking everywhere, a newbie can never be sure he's totally in control, because the moment we think so, something "mite" prove you wrong.

Enough chitchat, here are the photos!

Clones started directly in coco - cloning gel+powder on, stick em in the growing medium, keep moist but not wet, done!
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They grew leggy and skinny under this double tube LED (36W) on the outside of my makeshift tent while I was fighting a different fight on the inside
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omg, what a crappy start me thinks now as I'm watching these photos. lol. But see the new 600W ViparSpectra (280W real draw) !
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Replanted in grow bags, in coco, put a screen on top (and swore to take proper care of the SCROG this time). Got an IKEA shelf and cut it into 3. Pretty cheap and works. Underneath I made a run-off catching tray with an ice cream box in front, makes it easier to deal with run-off.
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And so, they are taking off to new highs... pun intended :p
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I'll keep posting later, gotta do some work now!

fenderbender 04-02-2017 05:25 PM

Love it man. Looks like it's gonna be a fun grow. Look forward to the updates.

wellfleation 04-02-2017 05:34 PM

Sweat! Those LEDs look a little high?

stoneric 04-02-2017 07:33 PM

Yes, too far away from plant. I have never used a light that I kept more than 12 inches from the top of the canopy. This included 600W HPS. I'm using 900W LED'S for flowering and they are less than 12 inches away. They'll stretch to the intensity of the lite so you want to keep them as close as possible.

HobbyGardener 04-03-2017 01:41 PM

Thanks for your comments and encouragement!
I agree with you guys, the light was way too high in this photo, I actually just installed it and put the girls under and took the photo, before adjusting. If you look closer, you can see the chain loop above the light, that allowed me to drop the light much closer to the canopy. Also, I just got that light and wasn't 100% sure on the intensity, since it draws double the power compared to my previous LED. But the truth is, even this is not too strong a light, so yes, she's been allowed to hover just above the canopy. You'll see, it's part of the story :)

HobbyGardener 04-03-2017 01:53 PM

Growing medium and nutes
I would like to share this with you, maybe useful for someone.
On ICmag forum I found an awesome thread regarding nutes on a budget, well, sort of. There was quite a rush about growing in coco those days (thread started 10 years ago, yes) and this guy who goes by the name of H3ad, or Grat3fulh3ad, well he adjusted the Lucas formula for growing in coco, and I decided to go for it. It only uses GenHydro's Flora Micro and Flora Bloom, in pHed water.
You can find the thread here:
Also, slightly adapted version by another guy:

What amazed me is the fact that those two threads run over several years and 1000s of posts! Even more amazing: I read through all of it! Crazy bastard!!

HobbyGardener 04-03-2017 02:27 PM

the photo story goes on
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in the following week I got a chance to buy another light, brand new but second hand, 900W LED (240W real draw) KingLED (attention, NOT Kind LED), paid what would be US$70. And so I thought, why run only one light when you can run two for double the (electricity) cost? :re:
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You can see they are producing completely different colours even though they're both claiming to be full spectrum, including IR and UV.
And yes, now I see it - the lights are still too high! I didn't want to burn the plants, I wasn't sure how they'll react, so I went with "better safe than sorry".
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It didn't take long, and I saw these guys IN my run-off tray. Looked like 2 different bugs, or 2 diff stages of life - the winged fungus gnats, and the other guys, that were just dead. Some sort of aphids I guess, never found out what really. Tried my first yellow sticky cardboard for gnats, hmmm...
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HobbyGardener 04-03-2017 02:50 PM

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Meanwhile, first flowers showing, Day 11
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Day 16
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Day 25
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Day 25
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And the fight against gnats is in full blow, using sticky cardboard. Horizontally it catches a ton of bugs, but it's a hard fight. Also, I'm sprinkling everything with DE (Diatomaceous Earth, food grade quality). Does it work? Not sure, but it doesn't do any damage, and it might help together with other things.
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stoneric 04-03-2017 04:05 PM

You're doing a great job man. I'd try to keep the plants more on the stocky side for your next grow. I mentioned LST during your previous grow and I think it's worth mentioning again. Having tall spindly plants usually will result in buds on the spindly side. A compact plant can grow some be fat buds because it can support them. Whenever I have a tall plant, I usually have to prop up some of the stems with wooden dowels because the stems can't handle the weight of the buds. Anything taking away from the plant possibly stressing is a good thing. Anyway, keep up the good work.

Never had a bug problem, wish I could help.

HobbyGardener 04-04-2017 03:17 PM

Thanks stoneric, you're so right about LST. You know what happened - clones spent too much time in veg (for my space), after that I set up the screen and tried my best to keep everything under as needed, but of course I have too many plants so the space under the screen got soooo clogged. Then I had the lights too high so they all stretched too much....
But you'd think I'd learn? No, I'm hopeless. I seem to like to bite off more than I can chew (properly). At least in my grow room. You'll see, the story is not over yet.
And bugs? I guess it's because I live right in the nature, so even when getting water for the plants I need to go through greens and shrubs, so eventually I managed to bring some in. But that's ok, too. I'll get there.

stoneric 04-04-2017 03:20 PM

The pot is still good. :)

HobbyGardener 04-04-2017 11:42 PM


Originally Posted by stoneric (Post 52303909)
The pot is still good. :)

Pot is awesome my friend, hell yeah!!! :)

HobbyGardener 04-05-2017 12:09 AM

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I'm showing this photo mainly to the people who don't know what they're doing, like me. Look at the screen - that thing became pretty useless, and that because of all that stretch, and so I ended up with exactly what stoneric mentioned above - tall and lanky plants with lanky bud. It will be great to smoke still (if I make it to the end), it's just that buds don't get that tight, and some colas at least might need some support. But they're growing alright!
Day 34
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Day 37
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Day 39
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Day 42, I like this photo, even though you can see slight leaf tip nute burn.
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Tall and lanky, Day 46
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Hope you like it guys! Comments welcome!

Hyperbole 04-05-2017 05:01 AM

can I get the amazon link to those led lights? or at least a model number.

I think ive seen them before, around 200 bucks right?

oh I almost forgot to tell you how amazing those plants look.

stoneric 04-05-2017 02:12 PM

Nice and frosty. One thing about having to prop them up is that the reason they can't stay up is because the bud is too heavy. It's not all bad. :)

HobbyGardener 04-05-2017 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by Hyperbole (Post 52303923)
can I get the amazon link to those led lights? or at least a model number.

I think ive seen them before, around 200 bucks right?

oh I almost forgot to tell you how amazing those plants look.

Thanks Hyperbole, here the links I have found, from there you should be able to track them down on any other marketplace i think
Bestva 900W Powerful Full Spectrum 10bands LED Grow Light For Flowering Plants | eBay
VIPARSPECTRA 600W LED Grow Light 12 Band Full Spectrum with VEG BLOOM Switches | eBay
and my old one
Bestva 800W LED Grow light Panel Full Spectrum For Medical Plants Veg-Bloom | eBay

stoneric 04-05-2017 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by Hyperbole (Post 52303923)
can I get the amazon link to those led lights? or at least a model number.

I think ive seen them before, around 200 bucks right?

oh I almost forgot to tell you how amazing those plants look.

Try Mars Hydro. Not many cheaper than them. Good quality.

Rubix 04-06-2017 09:42 AM

Aren't cob leds the way to go?

HobbyGardener 04-07-2017 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by Rubix (Post 52303969)
Aren't cob leds the way to go?

COB LEDs are great lights, but what's the way to go depends much on the price tag. For me, the ones I got were definitely best value for money, I bought them second hand and paid just 50% of what they cost brand new.
It's definitely worth checking out second hand offers on places like craigslist or gumtree, etc...

HobbyGardener 04-07-2017 05:32 PM

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I never mentioned these guys. Started seeing them a couple weeks ago, and they really scared the crap out of me.You remember, my last grow I had them attack badly just days before harvest. That time I didn't even know what to look for, so they surprised me. This time I hope I got them right on time.
As I said, I get in contact with nature a lot, there must be some outside that I manage to bring in, most likely on my clothes. Maybe at some stage, if I ever start a grow no4, maybe then I'll introduce an airlock room, to keep all the contaminants out. Like in sci-fi movies. Sick of them. And yes. if you ask, I did gas out the grow room after the first invasion, but maybe some bastards survived.
Anyway, I'm keeping them at bay with AzaMax (Azadirachtin A&B as active ingredients). Not ideal, but works. That stuff is dear!
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Day 52
Took these photos just this morning, gotta start taking some photos of trichomes :)

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