Low Stress Training - Briefly

Sureshot · 10-13-2003, 04:47 PM

Training and the such like

This thread was built from an FFA thread hence the slightly odd order.

The post below is the question at hand.

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ixrix · 11-30-2003, 06:33 AM

Sureshot:
Hi I want to start my first "lil' sprout" and due to lack of space, plus wanting to learn how to maximize bud quantity while minimizing plant height, I do want to keep my plant "low and bushy". You reccomended "training" what is that? Also: Can you get the same amount of yield from a shorter wider plant then a tall plant. Anyways my MAIN concern is potency, but I would like an abundant yield as well! I want to basically make a plant like in your 12/12. Did you train that? Also if I decided to do the same as that plant but wanted to pay a little more attention to food (or anything that affects potency), what would you reccomend?
Also(again): Are you familiar with the strain "Durban Poison." If you are, does this strain grow better under any special circumstances? I hopefully am going to start with that strain but, what is a good starting strain?

Thx!

Sitarguy · 11-30-2003, 11:34 AM

Sureshot, i'll take this one.
"puts on black cape"

Sitarguy to the rescue !!

Training is when you tie down the plants almost to a 90 degree angle, so that the lower sites of the plants get as much light as the top cola parts.
Meaning...that the lower leaves will grow faster and more bigger and therefore, those lower leaves will give you extra budsites later on.
Those budsites will be as big as your main cola because they get a lot of light due to the training.
There is a whole lot of tying in the training.
You want to start slowly, and gradually increase the angle.
Because you don't want to break the stem and train it at a 90 degree angle in the first day.

Bat Guano is good for veg as well as worm compost.
They are all organic.
Try organic ferts like 15-2-5 in your veg and 5-15-5 in your flowering.
N is for Veg (higher number in veg)
P is for flowering (higher number in flowering)
K is for your overall canopy and green health.
Whatever you do, try not to use miracle grow.

A good starting strain would be Nirvana's white rhino.
Excellent plant, but a little slow in the seedling stage.
Another is Northern lights, and big bud is good too.

But I would recommend you spend 20 bucks on a pack of seeds rather than growing shwagg.

"takes off black cape"

ixrix · 12-01-2003, 09:05 AM

Sitar:
So ok you tie down the entire plant? Like take the whole plant and bend it 90 degrees? I get the idea I guess but I wouldn't know how to go about it.

Oh ya thanks alot for that fert info. That helps alot!

Sureshot (or Sitar):
Do you have or can you make any pictures of training? I only ask because you made good pictures of the pollen bag process on the 12/12 thread.

Thx.

ixrix · 12-01-2003, 09:09 AM

Oh ya: And about how early should I start training it?

Sureshot · 12-01-2003, 09:53 AM

@Ix - I had a thread but it got deleted, I shall append some to here by later this evening when I get a bit of time.

Bear with me.

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Sureshot · 12-01-2003, 04:26 PM

@Ix - The promised pics.

First up...

Day 01 - initial cutting

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Sureshot · 12-01-2003, 04:28 PM

Day 05 - first two ties

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Sureshot · 12-01-2003, 04:29 PM

Day 06 - back shot of two ties after stem has readjusted

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Sureshot · 12-01-2003, 04:35 PM

Day 07 - side view of first tie

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Sureshot · 12-01-2003, 04:36 PM

Day 10 - tied lower, bushing out

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Sureshot · 12-01-2003, 04:37 PM

Day 16 - 6 days later from above

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Sureshot · 12-01-2003, 04:39 PM

Day 16 - close up of tie

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Sureshot · 12-01-2003, 04:41 PM

Day 16 - extra shoots tied down

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Sureshot · 12-01-2003, 04:42 PM

Day 18 - recovered a few days later

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Sureshot · 12-01-2003, 04:43 PM

Day 24 - a week later it is becoming a fully fledged mum or multi stemmed crop

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Sureshot · 12-01-2003, 04:46 PM

Day 32 - And this is it a week later, scrog with no scr.

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Sureshot · 12-01-2003, 04:47 PM

And that's that.

Apart from a gratuitous bud shot

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ixrix · 12-02-2003, 03:52 AM

Wow Sureshot you are quite helpful and quick responding I might add! Thankx!

Wow. Is that lighter actual size in Day 07?

So the Idea is bend the original stem so it is eventually about horizontal then as other branches get long you fold those down too forming sort of a canopy for the pot? how tall does it actually get?
Looks like you turned the side with more stems sticking out of it up so they would grow up and out and could then be tied. Did you do that on purpose?
Sounds like what I am looking to do tho! But I can do this from seed right? I think you did it from a cut..

>//!Speaking of seed!//> You ever heard of germinating in rockwool cubes? What's your take on that?

thx

Sureshot · 12-02-2003, 06:27 AM

@ix - No problem.

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Originally posted by ixrix
Wow. Is that lighter actual size in Day 07?

To answer your questions, yes the lighter is actual size.

Quote:

Originally posted by ixrix
So the Idea is ...

The general idea is just to get as much light to as many future bud sites as possible. The simpliest way to do this is make your plant wider so more the growing tips get a good amount of light.

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Originally posted by ixrix
how tall does it actually get?

The height is ultimately dependant on you (as well as genetics), work by the rule of thumb that the plant will at least double in height from the height that you iniate flowering at so if the plant is 8 inches tall when you start the 12/12 lighting cycle then it will finish at 16 inches or a little taller.

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Originally posted by ixrix
Did you do that on purpose?

As for the side with the most sidebranching, that's not deliberate though I do tend to tie down with the most developed side branching at the top. Regardless of how you tie them down the growing shoots will readjust themselves to grow upwards.

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Originally posted by ixrix
But I can do this from seed right?

It is possible to tie from seed though the slight worry is that you spend an age training a plant that turns out male. Further to this seeders are more delicate from the outset so you may have to wait a little longer before starting to train them.

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Originally posted by ixrix
You ever heard of germinating in rockwool cubes? What's your take on that?

If germinating for hydro use then rockwool or Oasis is a good way to start. I use dirt so germinate straight away in pots, I have germed in Oasis once or twice but found no real advantage to it, in actual fact I would possibly say thay germing in rockwool/Oasis is slightly trickier as water retention can be very high and you may overwater and drown the seedling.

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10-13-2003, 04:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
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11-30-2003, 06:33 AM	#2 (permalink)
ixrix Old School Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Training? +more Sureshot: Hi I want to start my first "lil' sprout" and due to lack of space, plus wanting to learn how to maximize bud quantity while minimizing plant height, I do want to keep my plant "low and bushy". You reccomended "training" what is that? Also: Can you get the same amount of yield from a shorter wider plant then a tall plant. Anyways my MAIN concern is potency, but I would like an abundant yield as well! I want to basically make a plant like in your 12/12. Did you train that? Also if I decided to do the same as that plant but wanted to pay a little more attention to food (or anything that affects potency), what would you reccomend? Also(again): Are you familiar with the strain "Durban Poison." If you are, does this strain grow better under any special circumstances? I hopefully am going to start with that strain but, what is a good starting strain? Thx!

12-01-2003, 09:53 AM	#6 (permalink)
Sureshot Can't-Get-Right Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Surrounded by the unimaginative Posts: 6,444 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 16 Posts	@Ix - I had a thread but it got deleted, I shall append some to here by later this evening when I get a bit of time. Bear with me. SS __________________ - The information in the above post is conjecture and the poster a figment of your imagination. - All images are computer generated or were taken in nations with forward thinking laws. o GrowFAQ o Add A Canna Grow Tip o Other Highs FAQ o Inquiring Minds FAQ o

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Sureshot Can't-Get-Right Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Surrounded by the unimaginative Posts: 6,444 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 16 Posts	@Ix - The promised pics. First up... Day 01 - initial cutting SS Attached Images __________________ - The information in the above post is conjecture and the poster a figment of your imagination. - All images are computer generated or were taken in nations with forward thinking laws. o GrowFAQ o Add A Canna Grow Tip o Other Highs FAQ o Inquiring Minds FAQ o

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Sitarguy Horsemen Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sitarland Posts: 2,166 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Sureshot, i'll take this one. "puts on black cape" Sitarguy to the rescue !! Training is when you tie down the plants almost to a 90 degree angle, so that the lower sites of the plants get as much light as the top cola parts. Meaning...that the lower leaves will grow faster and more bigger and therefore, those lower leaves will give you extra budsites later on. Those budsites will be as big as your main cola because they get a lot of light due to the training. There is a whole lot of tying in the training. You want to start slowly, and gradually increase the angle. Because you don't want to break the stem and train it at a 90 degree angle in the first day. Bat Guano is good for veg as well as worm compost. They are all organic. Try organic ferts like 15-2-5 in your veg and 5-15-5 in your flowering. N is for Veg (higher number in veg) P is for flowering (higher number in flowering) K is for your overall canopy and green health. Whatever you do, try not to use miracle grow. A good starting strain would be Nirvana's white rhino. Excellent plant, but a little slow in the seedling stage. Another is Northern lights, and big bud is good too. But I would recommend you spend 20 bucks on a pack of seeds rather than growing shwagg. "takes off black cape"

12-01-2003, 09:05 AM	#4 (permalink)
ixrix Old School Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sitar: So ok you tie down the entire plant? Like take the whole plant and bend it 90 degrees? I get the idea I guess but I wouldn't know how to go about it. Oh ya thanks alot for that fert info. That helps alot! Sureshot (or Sitar): Do you have or can you make any pictures of training? I only ask because you made good pictures of the pollen bag process on the 12/12 thread. Thx.

12-01-2003, 09:09 AM	#5 (permalink)
ixrix Old School Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Oh ya: And about how early should I start training it?

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ixrix Old School Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wow Sureshot you are quite helpful and quick responding I might add! Thankx! Wow. Is that lighter actual size in Day 07? So the Idea is bend the original stem so it is eventually about horizontal then as other branches get long you fold those down too forming sort of a canopy for the pot? how tall does it actually get? Looks like you turned the side with more stems sticking out of it up so they would grow up and out and could then be tied. Did you do that on purpose? Sounds like what I am looking to do tho! But I can do this from seed right? I think you did it from a cut.. >//!Speaking of seed!//> You ever heard of germinating in rockwool cubes? What's your take on that? thx

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