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Guest · 03-03-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FatMan420

You get drink alcohol openly on the street? Really? That's unnecessary. Drink in a bar, a restaurant, or at home, not in the street.

I wouldn't say that in the French Quarter.

They have go cups so you can take your drink and stroll down the street.

Don't you know what stoops are for?

Stoops are for the 'locals' to sit on and sip wine at sunset and chat with the neighbors.

Sheesh, what a tightass you are.

Guest · 03-03-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tricto

does Mardi Gras count?

Mardi Gras is when all the nice places in The Quarter board up and either close or sell beer and hot-dogs through a hole in the the door.

Guest · 03-03-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SpankyMcLankey

oh come on, you weren't taking me literal were you.

I'm just saying if a cop sees you smoking a fatty in public depending where you are they probably aren't going to do anything. Specially if it's a spliff and a has a little tobacco. That's pretty much how it is here now anyways so I hardly care. People have smoke circles outside the library and cops rarely care.

Mixing tobacco and cannabis is like mixing ... well, I can't think of anything as WRONG and DISGUSTING and REVOLTING at the moment.

Xil · 03-03-2009, 09:20 PM

why's that? while i usually don't smoke tobacco i think the occasional mixing of the two HERBS has a nice synergy. A more relaxed down to earth high for me.

José · 03-04-2009, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by palmspringsbum

Mixing tobacco and cannabis is like mixing ... well, I can't think of anything as WRONG and DISGUSTING and REVOLTING at the moment.

I completely agree. I don't enjoy spliffs much, but if some one offers me one I'm not going to turn it down.

TheGrandPuba · 03-04-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Xil

I really dont. Large scale farms could easily undercut the price (not quality) of grow-ops. And people have such bad networking skills that many would prefer a store over having to find someone.

I can see your point about bad networking skills. I'll try to explain my point a little better...

One of the main things keeping a lot of people from growing their own stash is the fact that it's illegal (you face much harsher penalties for growing than possessing). If they legalized a lot of stoners would decide to grow their own, I know I'd rather smoke my own organic bud than something 'the man' grew. Frankly I wouldn't trust the government to produce my weed for me (they would probably add shit to it just like they do with tobacco).

There is WAY too much grey area when we talk about legalization. As I write this I see that my point of view isn't flawless but I still think decriminalizing is the way to do.

Xil · 03-04-2009, 05:16 PM

the government doesnt add shit to your tobacco.

decrim doesnt address the FREEDOM issue if it. i shouldnt be made into an outlaw, even if its just a slap on the wrist.

how could legalization be worse than decrim. Its just legalized without taxation or removing the REAL criminals from the equation.

TheGrandPuba · 03-04-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Xil

the government doesnt add shit to your tobacco.

Sorry, it's the Tobacco companies that PAY the government. I was way off

TheGrandPuba · 03-04-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Xil

how could legalization be worse than decrim. Its just legalized without taxation or removing the REAL criminals from the equation.

Because the government doesn't need to have their snouts in everything.... my dope being one of those things.

There are no 'real criminals' when it comes to drugs and freedom of choice.

José · 03-05-2009, 03:03 PM

fuck. yes.

It?s the Pot Economy, Stupid | | AlterNet

zoltron · 03-05-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SpankyMcLankey

There's been A LOT of promising articles talking about legalization. I'm confident california is going to make it happen and other states will follow. It's very possible, I've had a great feeling about this all year. I'm confident 2009 is the year of ending marijuana prohibition.

States are DESPERATE for money. It's not cause they believe in it, they just want the money. I don't care though, as long as I am free to smoke my flowers where ever I want, I don't care why they legalize it.

Man, I've been waiting for this since 1974, when Colorado & 8 other States decriminalized 'under 1 oz = $25 citation' that you could just mail in.
I said for sure by 1980, we'd have outright Legalization...sold in liquor stores to people 21+ yrs of age. Well, the Reagans fucked that up...especially Nancy's "Just Say No" horseshit. What a loser of an idea. Lump it in with crack & smack...brilliant.

OK, by 1990...no again, Bill Clinton was too busy chasing broads around D.C.
OK, by 2000...no once again, Dub-ya was a numbskull. Nuff said.
You think by 2010? I hope you are 100% correct-o-mundo, my friend. It would definitely help turn this disaster of an economy around.
I'd let anyone imprisoned for strictly possession immediately free. I'd put the tobacco farmers back-to-work growing the best cannabis they can. I'd sell it in liquor stores, drug stores, convenient stores & grocery stores to [I'm still debating the age] people either 18+ or 21+. Not sure which 1 is more suitable.
I'd tax the hell out of it. I'd stop the Drug War immediately & quit tossing $$$ towards an unwinnable war.
I really hope this time I live to see it.

pacman · 03-05-2009, 07:35 PM

damn Z. I feel for ya. Hopefully this generation won't grow up with false hopes too.

And our country has a knack for unwinnable wars. Hell, we're in 4!

Xil · 03-05-2009, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGrandPuba

Because the government doesn't need to have their snouts in everything.... my dope being one of those things.

There are no 'real criminals' when it comes to drugs and freedom of choice.

Its insane backwards when you consider something being made NON ILLEGAL the government putting their snout in something when ticketing you for it (decrim) isn't. Is their any possible scenario where the government can do the right thing?

Yes there are real criminals. Its your freedom of choice to smoke weed. Its your freedom of choice to sell weed. Its not your freedom of choice to fucking kill your competitors. This violence makes it profitable to become a REAL criminal.

José · 03-05-2009, 08:45 PM

Another GREAT article, probably the best yet.

Marijuana laws are 'complete lunacy' - Opinions

TheGrandPuba · 03-06-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Xil

Its insane backwards when you consider something being made NON ILLEGAL the government putting their snout in something when ticketing you for it (decrim) isn't. Is their any possible scenario where the government can do the right thing?

Yes there are real criminals. Its your freedom of choice to smoke weed. Its your freedom of choice to sell weed. Its not your freedom of choice to fucking kill your competitors. This violence makes it profitable to become a REAL criminal.

Just to be clear I don't really think decrim would be better, just a lot more plausible. I guess what I'd really like to see is deregulation, but that isn't ever going to happen.

I didn't mean that anyone involved with drugs isn't capable of committing crime. I was trying to say that possessing drugs (any amount of any type) doesn't make you a criminal, and of course crime pays. Legalizing weed won't take away all the money there is to be made in illegal activity.

Guest · 03-07-2009, 07:57 AM

LOS ANGELES—The U.S. attorney in Los Angeles ordered prosecutors to stop filing charges against medical marijuana dispensaries in a confidential memo last week, but then abruptly lifted the ban on Friday, according to a published report.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11857228

Guest · 03-07-2009, 09:25 AM

The L.A. Times has been honing in on Medical Marijuana the past couple of days with a two part series.

I'm about half-way through the first article and stopped and said, "Wow! Right On Scott!" after reading the following two paragraphs.:

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Originally Posted by Scott Imler in The L.A. Times

There is little in your post with which to disagree, Stephen. Although the Obama administration's policy change is good news for legitimate and illegitimate operators alike, it is bittersweet for thousands of patients and dozens of trail-blazing individuals and organizations who, acting in good faith over the last decade, have had their lives wrecked, financially ruined or been imprisoned while awaiting this logical and inevitable development.

While the Bush administration's commando-style raids have been superbly effective in wiping out the original non-profit and charitable, community-based programs established in the immediate aftermath of Proposition 215's passage in 1996 -- in some cases with the support of local law enforcement -- they've done little to curb the dominance of for-profit, black-market resale operations that constitute the bulk of the burgeoning "medical marijuana" industry.

A fleeting change in pot policy? - Los Angeles Times

Guest · 03-07-2009, 09:38 AM

Scott Imler in The L.A. Times:

"We live in the United States of America, not the 50 States of America. There is no reason that a 20-year-old Californian with a storefront and his own letterhead should be laughing all the way to the bank while an AIDS patient in Oklahoma faces 30 years in prison for growing two plants."

Guest · 03-07-2009, 09:51 AM

Scott Imler in The Los Angeles Times:

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The fact is, with the charitable community-based programs basically destroyed by initial federal actions, Proposition 215 and SB 420 have largely failed in their overarching goal of delivering patients from the high costs and indignities of the black market and the criminal justice system. Proposition 215's intent was to liberate patients from the expensive but questionable products from dubious sources.

With federal law enforcement seeking to undermine Proposition 215 and with much of the marijuana legalization movement seeking to exploit it for commercial and political gain, state and federal cooperation never had a chance. This has, sadly, institutionalized the black market in the medical marijuana business.

bongobongo · 03-07-2009, 11:56 AM

good news boys!

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Xil OD'ing on sobriety Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mizzura Posts: 3,334 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 1,158 Times in 717 Posts	the government doesnt add shit to your tobacco. decrim doesnt address the FREEDOM issue if it. i shouldnt be made into an outlaw, even if its just a slap on the wrist. how could legalization be worse than decrim. Its just legalized without taxation or removing the REAL criminals from the equation. __________________ "we'll show these fascists what a couple of hillbillies can do"

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