Obama likely to redact key CIA torture memos

Prophet Saddam · 04-16-2009, 12:55 PM

First he backtracks on wiretapping, now he appears to be covering up for Bush torture as well. I will be more than humbly satisfied if he ends up releasing these documents in full, as he should.

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Obama likely to redact key CIA torture memos
04/16/2009 @ 9:15 am
Filed by John Byrne

Regardless of redactions, techniques may leak

The Obama Administration is likely to redact key elements of several "torture" memos promulgated by the Bush Administration which dictated which techniques could "legally" be applied during prisoner interrogations.

Two officials told the Wall Street Journal Wednesday that "certain operational elements" of the program are to be kept secret, as well as what techniques were applied to particular prisoners.

Most likely to be kept from the spotlight is details in a still-classified memorandum which approved a method in which a prisoner's head could be struck against a plywood wall "as long as the head was being held and the force of the blow was controlled by the interrogator."

Such a technique was outlined in an International Red Cross report that was leaked to a reporter at the New York Review of Books. That story told of guards tying towels around at least two prisoners' necks and hurling them against a plywood wall, among numerous other macabre torture techniques.

Marc Ambinder, a veteran correspondent for The Atlantic, reported Wednesday that senior Administration officials "said that the Journal story does not reflect the current state of thinking, [but] would not disclose what decisions had been made."

"Holder, the attorney general, and others have argued internally that most of the information contained within the memo has already been released," Ambinder wrote. "The ACLU and other civil liberties groups have obtained more than 100,000 pages of formerly secret documents. The International Committee of the Red Cross's damning report on detention and torture was leaked to reporter Mark Danner last month; federal prosecutors and senior military officials have acknowledged, in detail, that not only were prisoners in CIA and military custody tortured, but described the means used to torture them.

"Others, knowing Washington's ways, believe that if the CIA is worried that some of the torture methods are truly gruesome, well, that's exactly the first bit of information that an enterprising official will leak," Ambinder added. "More headlines will be made."

An announcement on the release of the Bush-era torture memos is expected today.

Prophet Saddam · 04-16-2009, 02:47 PM

Obama Releases Interrogation Memos, Says C.I.A. Operatives Won’t Be Prosecuted

An acceptable 'compromise,' I suppose...thumbs up!

Hostile · 04-19-2009, 09:00 PM

No prosecutions? No change, then.

Ego Tripping · 04-19-2009, 09:04 PM

I'm no die-hard Obama fan and it may not be perfect, but I don't see how you can say this isn't change, to a large degree. I do think there's a balance between moving forward and getting caught up in the past.

al-Mu'akhkhir · 04-19-2009, 09:09 PM

Uh, I don't think so. Obama was voted in. That ought to give him a carte-blanche to change anything he damn well pleases.

Prophet Saddam · 04-20-2009, 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Hostile

No prosecutions? No change, then.

You are right: war crimes are war crimes.

By giving them immunity, he is admitting that crimes have been committed. Have we learned nothing from Nuremberg?

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded 183 times in one month.

verklingen · 04-20-2009, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Prophet Saddam

he is admitting that crimes have been committed

a welcome change, to me

al-Mu'akhkhir · 04-20-2009, 08:35 AM

*sigh*

Prophet Saddam · 04-20-2009, 01:49 PM

"President Obama, you're wrong."

Sugar420 · 04-20-2009, 01:53 PM

BBC NEWS | Americas | CIA torture exemption 'illegal'

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US President Barack Obama's decision not to prosecute CIA agents who used torture tactics is a violation of international law, a UN expert says.

The UN special rapporteur on torture, Manfred Nowak, says the US is bound under the UN Convention against Torture to prosecute those who engage in it.

Prophet Saddam · 04-20-2009, 02:27 PM

This is fucking bullshit. I'm happy I never voted for this fraud:

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Official: Obama doesn't want interrogation charges

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama does not intend to prosecute Bush administration officials who devised the policies that led to the harsh interrogation of suspected terrorists, White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel said Sunday.

This is going to bite us all in the ass with either international courts or the setting of a future precedent (cause hell, who wants to look in the rear-view mirror

? ) I'm off to rob a bank, and hopefully the police and the victim can just put it behind them.

AND NOW FOR TWO POSTS FROM A TROLL:

Roach · 04-20-2009, 02:47 PM

Media Having Trouble Finding Right Angle On Obama's Double-Homicide | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

Treasury Department Issues Emergency Recall Of All US Dollars

Roach · 04-20-2009, 03:12 PM

Latest Poll Reveals 430 New Demographics That Will Decide Election

Prophet Saddam · 04-20-2009, 03:28 PM

the fuck is that shit? ^^

we're trying to have an adult conversation here....

don't troll my thread pls

Hostile · 04-20-2009, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prophet Saddam

This is going to bite us all in the ass with either international courts or the setting of a future precedent (cause hell, who wants to look in the rear-view mirror

? ) I'm off to rob a bank, and hopefully the police and the victim can just put it behind them.

I wouldn't advise that as a form of legal defence. "Sure, I admit it, I kidnapped and tortured that kid. Now can't we just move forwards and forget about it? I already confessed, what more do you want?!"

Flamingnun · 04-20-2009, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prophet Saddam

we're trying to have an adult conversation here....

don't troll my thread pls

Wow hypocrisy in action.

Roach · 04-20-2009, 04:02 PM

Wow hypocrisy in action.

we all took the oath.

Prophet Saddam · 04-20-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Flamingnun

Wow hypocrisy in action.

And the resident troll himself.

Do you have anything to add to this topic?

Prophet Saddam · 04-20-2009, 07:27 PM

To summarize, Obama released documents detailing the war crimes committed and authorized by members of the previous administration and members of the CIA. Obama has since come to say that there will be no prosecutions or even any type of truth commission that will hold people accountable for the war crimes plainly spelled out in the memos.

In doing so Obama has become complicit in the cover-up. Even worse, by not prosecuting those responsible, Obama is setting a very dangerous precedent. A future president even worse than Bush II will look back on this time and this administration, and find it easy enough to break the law again.

Olbermann very plainly lays out the tragic mistake Obama is making, and I think it deserves everyone's attention. If you're happy/indifferent with what Obama has done, then I'm afraid you're blinded by allegiance to Obama.

Demand Change, please.

al-Mu'akhkhir · 04-20-2009, 07:34 PM

yeah look i think we all are beginning to realize what a fucking crook obama is.

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Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,461 Thanks: 229 Thanked 657 Times in 438 Posts	I'm no die-hard Obama fan and it may not be perfect, but I don't see how you can say this isn't change, to a large degree. I do think there's a balance between moving forward and getting caught up in the past. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

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al-Mu'akhkhir Vem Para Ficar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: in some pussy Posts: 3,265 Thanks: 500 Thanked 351 Times in 270 Posts	Uh, I don't think so. Obama was voted in. That ought to give him a carte-blanche to change anything he damn well pleases. __________________

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Prophet Saddam YaHookan 2011 Winner Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: CA, fuck yeah Posts: 16,340 Blog Entries: 11 Thanks: 3,690 Thanked 713 Times in 479 Posts	Obama Releases Interrogation Memos, Says C.I.A. Operatives Won’t Be Prosecuted An acceptable 'compromise,' I suppose...thumbs up!

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Prophet Saddam YaHookan 2011 Winner Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: CA, fuck yeah Posts: 16,340 Blog Entries: 11 Thanks: 3,690 Thanked 713 Times in 479 Posts	"President Obama, you're wrong."

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Prophet Saddam YaHookan 2011 Winner Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: CA, fuck yeah Posts: 16,340 Blog Entries: 11 Thanks: 3,690 Thanked 713 Times in 479 Posts	the fuck is that shit? ^^ we're trying to have an adult conversation here.... don't troll my thread pls __________________ SUPPORT THE TROOPS --------------------- BRING THEM HOME & FUCK THE WAR

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04-20-2009, 07:27 PM	#19 (permalink)
Prophet Saddam YaHookan 2011 Winner Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: CA, fuck yeah Posts: 16,340 Blog Entries: 11 Thanks: 3,690 Thanked 713 Times in 479 Posts	To summarize, Obama released documents detailing the war crimes committed and authorized by members of the previous administration and members of the CIA. Obama has since come to say that there will be no prosecutions or even any type of truth commission that will hold people accountable for the war crimes plainly spelled out in the memos. In doing so Obama has become complicit in the cover-up. Even worse, by not prosecuting those responsible, Obama is setting a very dangerous precedent. A future president even worse than Bush II will look back on this time and this administration, and find it easy enough to break the law again. Olbermann very plainly lays out the tragic mistake Obama is making, and I think it deserves everyone's attention. If you're happy/indifferent with what Obama has done, then I'm afraid you're blinded by allegiance to Obama. Demand Change, please.

04-20-2009, 07:34 PM	#20 (permalink)
al-Mu'akhkhir Vem Para Ficar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: in some pussy Posts: 3,265 Thanks: 500 Thanked 351 Times in 270 Posts	yeah look i think we all are beginning to realize what a fucking crook obama is. __________________

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