FBI and States Vastly Expand DNA Databases - Page 2

cantSEEme · 04-19-2009, 04:19 PM

i have no problem with every convict having to give up their DNA. my problem with this is they are going to be taking DNA from people awaiting trial, not convicted on charges after a trial. that means that you could hypothetically be arrested for smoking a joint, and while awaiting trial, have your DNA taken. with great power comes great responsibility and i just dont see that happening anytime soon with our current state of government. and apparently they arent making a distinction between a violent/non-violent offender. also, if this was happening a year ago under bush's watch, ppl would be outraged.

Grieves · 04-19-2009, 04:21 PM

so what, they can't do anything but look up previous arrests/other information pertaining to that with the info...

cantSEEme · 04-19-2009, 04:21 PM

they can already do that with your fingerprints/rap sheet.

shai_hulud · 04-19-2009, 04:21 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't that following your logic? "If you aren't a criminal you have nothing to worry about?" Furthermore, people could argue it would make for a great deterent for crime. As retarded as an argument that would be. But watch it happen sometime in the future.

Grieves · 04-19-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ©antSEEme

they can already do that with your fingerprints/rap sheet.

there is no centralized database...

cantSEEme · 04-19-2009, 04:41 PM

the fbi gots one, in quantico, va.

Federal Bureau of Investigation - CJIS Division - Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System

but i agree that we should have a centralized fingerprint database that local police officers could have access to without the fbi's assistance. i just think that this whole dna thing could easily be manipulated by someone for their own personal vendettas/self-interest. thats what scares me the most. but i also do think that it will do good things, though. its a double edged sword that ppl, i dont think, are asking themselves "is this the best idea?"

al-Mu'akhkhir · 04-19-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by grieves

there is no centralized database...

there is now n00b...

Grieves · 04-19-2009, 05:00 PM

exactly..

al-Mu'akhkhir · 04-19-2009, 05:01 PM

i wasn't actually trying to make a point or anything, I was just pointing out.

but. grieves you are a sick fuck.

Grieves · 04-19-2009, 05:02 PM

if that is all you can say...

al-Mu'akhkhir · 04-19-2009, 05:21 PM

I don't think I really have to make my stance on this known... It should be pretty obvious to anyone who's read my handful of A&P topics. Basically I disagree with your opinion but obviously I'm not going to persuade you to my side of the argument, and vice-a-versa.

Grieves · 04-19-2009, 05:24 PM

I respect that...

But the shit I said here isn't my opinion more as it is just food for thought...I personally side more with you and shai, the other side was just poorly represented here...

FourtySecondRip · 04-20-2009, 10:12 PM

if you live in the US and post on this forum theres a 99% chance you are a criminal or were at one time (if u stopped smoking)

FourtySecondRip · 04-20-2009, 10:15 PM

also the problem with DNA is that you coulda been somewhere or with someone, then a crime commited there later when u were long gone and your dna will still be there and you will be hauled in for questioning and possibly charged for something u literally had nothing to do with.

zerodown · 04-21-2009, 07:34 AM

I think a lot of people are confusing apples for oranges, this measure is not comparable to putting cameras on your house or tapping your phone, this is a way to find criminals quicker, in other words, if your little 7 year old girl is raped by the neighbor who has never been convicted, it can now be easier to catch him. So unless you are the rapist in this case, this is a good step forward, they are not violating your rights just because they keep your DNA in record in case some day you rape the neighbor's 7 year old girl...

Like others have said, it only angers the criminals, in other words, they can have 5 litters of my blood and if I don't commit a crime, its worth shit to them, in fact its better this way, because they could find the criminals without harassing innocent suspects. I don't understand how people think this is a bad thing, it works like your social security number, its just an identification thing.

Think things through before you protest them or believe them, use your mind and give it some thought, let it swirl around your head and then make a decision about it.

cantSEEme · 04-21-2009, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerodown

Think things through before you protest them or believe them, use your mind and give it some thought, let it swirl around your head and then make a decision about it.

and you aswell

zerodown · 04-21-2009, 09:43 AM

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and you aswell

Enlighten me...

cantSEEme · 04-21-2009, 09:52 AM

enlighten yourself. i aint here to change ppls minds, just to speak my own. but dont condemn others in your "round-about" kind of way just for having a different point of view.

zerodown · 04-21-2009, 10:24 AM

I'm not condemning anyone, all I said was that people should think things through before forming an opinion on a subject. I don't see how you could feel condemned because of that.

cantSEEme · 04-21-2009, 10:31 AM

its all good, dude. im just sayin, its very easy to start a flame war in this forum. dont take much. if i came off all asshurt, i didnt mean too. i dont feel condemned, but for real, your last statement kinda came off to me like "quit being stupid". s'all.

04-19-2009, 04:21 PM	#22 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,108 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,580 Thanked 3,129 Times in 1,722 Posts	so what, they can't do anything but look up previous arrests/other information pertaining to that with the info... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

04-19-2009, 04:21 PM	#24 (permalink)
shai_hulud Om nom Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ab, ca Posts: 2,161 Thanks: 440 Thanked 600 Times in 335 Posts	Correct me if I'm wrong but, isn't that following your logic? "If you aren't a criminal you have nothing to worry about?" Furthermore, people could argue it would make for a great deterent for crime. As retarded as an argument that would be. But watch it happen sometime in the future. __________________ "There are only three useless things in this world. Nuns' nipples, bishops' balls and an employer's praise without a raise."

04-19-2009, 05:00 PM	#28 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,108 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,580 Thanked 3,129 Times in 1,722 Posts	exactly.. __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

04-19-2009, 05:01 PM	#29 (permalink)
al-Mu'akhkhir Vem Para Ficar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: in some pussy Posts: 3,203 Thanks: 500 Thanked 351 Times in 270 Posts	i wasn't actually trying to make a point or anything, I was just pointing out. but. grieves you are a sick fuck. __________________

04-19-2009, 05:02 PM	#30 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,108 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,580 Thanked 3,129 Times in 1,722 Posts	if that is all you can say... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

04-19-2009, 04:19 PM	#21 (permalink)
cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,019 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	i have no problem with every convict having to give up their DNA. my problem with this is they are going to be taking DNA from people awaiting trial, not convicted on charges after a trial. that means that you could hypothetically be arrested for smoking a joint, and while awaiting trial, have your DNA taken. with great power comes great responsibility and i just dont see that happening anytime soon with our current state of government. and apparently they arent making a distinction between a violent/non-violent offender. also, if this was happening a year ago under bush's watch, ppl would be outraged.

04-19-2009, 04:21 PM	#23 (permalink)
cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,019 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	they can already do that with your fingerprints/rap sheet.

04-19-2009, 04:41 PM	#26 (permalink)
cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,019 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	the fbi gots one, in quantico, va. Federal Bureau of Investigation - CJIS Division - Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System but i agree that we should have a centralized fingerprint database that local police officers could have access to without the fbi's assistance. i just think that this whole dna thing could easily be manipulated by someone for their own personal vendettas/self-interest. thats what scares me the most. but i also do think that it will do good things, though. its a double edged sword that ppl, i dont think, are asking themselves "is this the best idea?"

04-19-2009, 05:21 PM	#31 (permalink)
al-Mu'akhkhir Vem Para Ficar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: in some pussy Posts: 3,203 Thanks: 500 Thanked 351 Times in 270 Posts	I don't think I really have to make my stance on this known... It should be pretty obvious to anyone who's read my handful of A&P topics. Basically I disagree with your opinion but obviously I'm not going to persuade you to my side of the argument, and vice-a-versa. __________________

04-19-2009, 05:24 PM	#32 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,108 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,580 Thanked 3,129 Times in 1,722 Posts	I respect that... But the shit I said here isn't my opinion more as it is just food for thought...I personally side more with you and shai, the other side was just poorly represented here... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

04-20-2009, 10:12 PM	#33 (permalink)
FourtySecondRip ECS Join Date: May 2002 Location: Emerald City Posts: 820 Thanks: 25 Thanked 107 Times in 87 Posts	if you live in the US and post on this forum theres a 99% chance you are a criminal or were at one time (if u stopped smoking) __________________ ..,,,O,,,.. <\FSR/> .,._/\_.,

04-20-2009, 10:15 PM	#34 (permalink)
FourtySecondRip ECS Join Date: May 2002 Location: Emerald City Posts: 820 Thanks: 25 Thanked 107 Times in 87 Posts	also the problem with DNA is that you coulda been somewhere or with someone, then a crime commited there later when u were long gone and your dna will still be there and you will be hauled in for questioning and possibly charged for something u literally had nothing to do with. __________________ ..,,,O,,,.. <\FSR/> .,._/\_.,

04-21-2009, 07:34 AM	#35 (permalink)
zerodown Mafutero Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PR Posts: 782 Thanks: 41 Thanked 169 Times in 131 Posts	I think a lot of people are confusing apples for oranges, this measure is not comparable to putting cameras on your house or tapping your phone, this is a way to find criminals quicker, in other words, if your little 7 year old girl is raped by the neighbor who has never been convicted, it can now be easier to catch him. So unless you are the rapist in this case, this is a good step forward, they are not violating your rights just because they keep your DNA in record in case some day you rape the neighbor's 7 year old girl... Like others have said, it only angers the criminals, in other words, they can have 5 litters of my blood and if I don't commit a crime, its worth shit to them, in fact its better this way, because they could find the criminals without harassing innocent suspects. I don't understand how people think this is a bad thing, it works like your social security number, its just an identification thing. Think things through before you protest them or believe them, use your mind and give it some thought, let it swirl around your head and then make a decision about it. Last edited by zerodown; 04-21-2009 at 07:39 AM.

04-21-2009, 09:52 AM	#38 (permalink)
cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,019 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	enlighten yourself. i aint here to change ppls minds, just to speak my own. but dont condemn others in your "round-about" kind of way just for having a different point of view.

04-21-2009, 10:24 AM	#39 (permalink)
zerodown Mafutero Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PR Posts: 782 Thanks: 41 Thanked 169 Times in 131 Posts	I'm not condemning anyone, all I said was that people should think things through before forming an opinion on a subject. I don't see how you could feel condemned because of that.

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04-21-2009, 10:31 AM	#40 (permalink)
cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,019 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	its all good, dude. im just sayin, its very easy to start a flame war in this forum. dont take much. if i came off all asshurt, i didnt mean too. i dont feel condemned, but for real, your last statement kinda came off to me like "quit being stupid". s'all.