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Old 04-18-2009, 02:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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FBI and States Vastly Expand DNA Databases

wow look. more foreshadowing!

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Law enforcement officials are vastly expanding their collection of DNA to include millions more people who have been arrested or detained but not yet convicted. The move, intended to help solve more crimes, is raising concerns about the privacy of petty offenders and people who are presumed innocent.

Until now, the federal government genetically tracked only convicts. But starting this month, the Federal Bureau of Investigation will join 15 states that collect DNA samples from those awaiting trial and will also collect DNA from detained immigrants the vanguard of a growing class of genetic registrants.
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I would be pretty upset if I lived in the good ol' US of A
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I'd only be upset if i was a criminal...
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Old 04-18-2009, 03:31 PM   #4 (permalink)
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terrible, terrible shit. guilty before proven innocent is the mantra now.
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Old 04-18-2009, 03:44 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Everyone knows that getting arrested is only detention on the assumption of guilt...Your personal info including finger prints have always been taken at that stage, dna is only the next logical step...It's always been the courts decision weither or not you are guilty...
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they shouldn't take DNA on the assumption of guilt. f all that. finger prints/mug shots are one thing, DNA is a whole other ballpark. and next step after this is mandatory RFID chip implants... just in case you "skip bail". its a bunch of bullshit.
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^guilty

but really, look at the good with the bad, it will be invaluable to provide irrefutable evidence in murder, rape and other such crimes of passion....
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but really, look at the good with the bad, it will be invaluable to provide irrefutable evidence in murder, rape and other such crimes of passion....
Yeah, but where are they going to stop?

Sooner or later they'll be tattooing the subjects...
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If you don't like it... fight it, don't commit crimes, or move...just don't bitch about it and do nothing......
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And really, how does that threaten you? They aren't controlling you any further, just clarifying the identification methods...
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lol Grieves...

"So what if they install camera's in your homes, implant chips under your skin and wire tap your phone calls. If you are innocent, what do you have to fear?"

I believe there is a (small, but possible chance) that after they impliment all these new 'security measures' and continually take away freedoms, erode your consitution, and have all sorts of fucking legal methods of survailence and control; what's stopping these same people from re-defining the current laws? Suddenly, Grieves, you are found guilty of something you once thought was an innocent act!?!

Obviously that's a far-fetched scenario but, if people don't fight for their rights... and keep the same "If you aren't comming crimes, you have nothing to worry about" mentality, where will it end.

Why people aren't protesting that 'google street view' bullshit is COMPLETELY absurd.
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go read some more brave new world and 1984..

"So what if they install camera's in your homes, implant chips under your skin and wire tap your phone calls. If you are innocent, what do you have to fear?"

none of that holds any relevance to dna data banks...You are making unfounded correlations based out of fear..

I don't know why drug users are the most against these scenarios, in all big brother run societies, drugs are prevalent to pacify the masses...

Apathy is the only key to global pacifism...
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I just think your logic is retarded.
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and i the same about yours...
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If you don't like it... fight it, don't commit crimes, or move...just don't bitch about it and do nothing......
Ohhh...now you did it...you're going to get the sternly written accusatory cop-out response on an internet forum of a lifetime!
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why not just extract dna from people straight up when they are born then. if they aren't criminals, nothing to worry about... AMIRITE
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wrong...The only thing being done here is to improve existing technology and methods for criminal identification...No cameras in homes, no chip implants, etc...
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