FBI and States Vastly Expand DNA Databases

al-Mu'akhkhir · 04-18-2009, 02:50 PM

wow look. more foreshadowing!

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Originally Posted by NY Times

Law enforcement officials are vastly expanding their collection of DNA to include millions more people who have been arrested or detained but not yet convicted. The move, intended to help solve more crimes, is raising concerns about the privacy of petty offenders and people who are presumed innocent.

Until now, the federal government genetically tracked only convicts. But starting this month, the Federal Bureau of Investigation will join 15 states that collect DNA samples from those awaiting trial and will also collect DNA from detained immigrants — the vanguard of a growing class of genetic registrants.

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discuss?

I would be pretty upset if I lived in the good ol' US of A

Grieves · 04-18-2009, 02:51 PM

I'd only be upset if i was a criminal...

Silverleaf · 04-18-2009, 03:09 PM

i'm a criminal.

cantSEEme · 04-18-2009, 03:31 PM

terrible, terrible shit. guilty before proven innocent is the mantra now.

Grieves · 04-18-2009, 03:44 PM

Everyone knows that getting arrested is only detention on the assumption of guilt...Your personal info including finger prints have always been taken at that stage, dna is only the next logical step...It's always been the courts decision weither or not you are guilty...

cantSEEme · 04-18-2009, 03:54 PM

they shouldn't take DNA on the assumption of guilt. f all that. finger prints/mug shots are one thing, DNA is a whole other ballpark. and next step after this is mandatory RFID chip implants... just in case you "skip bail". its a bunch of bullshit.

Grieves · 04-18-2009, 03:56 PM

^guilty

but really, look at the good with the bad, it will be invaluable to provide irrefutable evidence in murder, rape and other such crimes of passion....

cantSEEme · 04-18-2009, 03:57 PM

osirus2020 · 04-18-2009, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grieves

^guilty

but really, look at the good with the bad, it will be invaluable to provide irrefutable evidence in murder, rape and other such crimes of passion....

Yeah, but where are they going to stop?

Sooner or later they'll be tattooing the subjects...

Grieves · 04-18-2009, 04:27 PM

If you don't like it... fight it, don't commit crimes, or move...just don't bitch about it and do nothing......

Grieves · 04-18-2009, 04:29 PM

And really, how does that threaten you? They aren't controlling you any further, just clarifying the identification methods...

shai_hulud · 04-19-2009, 03:32 PM

lol Grieves...

"So what if they install camera's in your homes, implant chips under your skin and wire tap your phone calls. If you are innocent, what do you have to fear?"

I believe there is a (small, but possible chance) that after they impliment all these new 'security measures' and continually take away freedoms, erode your consitution, and have all sorts of fucking legal methods of survailence and control; what's stopping these same people from re-defining the current laws? Suddenly, Grieves, you are found guilty of something you once thought was an innocent act!?!

Obviously that's a far-fetched scenario but, if people don't fight for their rights... and keep the same "If you aren't comming crimes, you have nothing to worry about" mentality, where will it end.

Why people aren't protesting that 'google street view' bullshit is COMPLETELY absurd.

Grieves · 04-19-2009, 03:37 PM

go read some more brave new world and 1984..

"So what if they install camera's in your homes, implant chips under your skin and wire tap your phone calls. If you are innocent, what do you have to fear?"

none of that holds any relevance to dna data banks...You are making unfounded correlations based out of fear..

I don't know why drug users are the most against these scenarios, in all big brother run societies, drugs are prevalent to pacify the masses...

Apathy is the only key to global pacifism...

shai_hulud · 04-19-2009, 03:40 PM

I just think your logic is retarded.

Grieves · 04-19-2009, 03:47 PM

and i the same about yours...

Ego Tripping · 04-19-2009, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grieves

If you don't like it... fight it, don't commit crimes, or move...just don't bitch about it and do nothing......

Ohhh...now you did it...you're going to get the sternly written accusatory cop-out response on an internet forum of a lifetime!

shai_hulud · 04-19-2009, 03:57 PM

:d

Grieves · 04-19-2009, 03:58 PM

ohsi, other peoples opinions...

shai_hulud · 04-19-2009, 04:02 PM

why not just extract dna from people straight up when they are born then. if they aren't criminals, nothing to worry about... AMIRITE

Grieves · 04-19-2009, 04:08 PM

wrong...The only thing being done here is to improve existing technology and methods for criminal identification...No cameras in homes, no chip implants, etc...

04-18-2009, 02:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,082 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,562 Thanked 3,113 Times in 1,708 Posts	I'd only be upset if i was a criminal... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

04-18-2009, 03:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
Silverleaf Toker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: in the wild Posts: 508 Thanks: 222 Thanked 77 Times in 52 Posts	i'm a criminal. __________________

04-18-2009, 03:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,082 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,562 Thanked 3,113 Times in 1,708 Posts	Everyone knows that getting arrested is only detention on the assumption of guilt...Your personal info including finger prints have always been taken at that stage, dna is only the next logical step...It's always been the courts decision weither or not you are guilty... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

04-18-2009, 03:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,082 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,562 Thanked 3,113 Times in 1,708 Posts	^guilty but really, look at the good with the bad, it will be invaluable to provide irrefutable evidence in murder, rape and other such crimes of passion.... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

04-18-2009, 04:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,082 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,562 Thanked 3,113 Times in 1,708 Posts	If you don't like it... fight it, don't commit crimes, or move...just don't bitch about it and do nothing...... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

04-18-2009, 03:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,019 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	terrible, terrible shit. guilty before proven innocent is the mantra now.

04-18-2009, 03:54 PM	#6 (permalink)
cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,019 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	they shouldn't take DNA on the assumption of guilt. f all that. finger prints/mug shots are one thing, DNA is a whole other ballpark. and next step after this is mandatory RFID chip implants... just in case you "skip bail". its a bunch of bullshit.

04-18-2009, 03:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,019 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts

04-18-2009, 04:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,082 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,562 Thanked 3,113 Times in 1,708 Posts	And really, how does that threaten you? They aren't controlling you any further, just clarifying the identification methods... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

04-19-2009, 03:32 PM	#12 (permalink)
shai_hulud Om nom Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ab, ca Posts: 2,161 Thanks: 440 Thanked 600 Times in 335 Posts	lol Grieves... "So what if they install camera's in your homes, implant chips under your skin and wire tap your phone calls. If you are innocent, what do you have to fear?" I believe there is a (small, but possible chance) that after they impliment all these new 'security measures' and continually take away freedoms, erode your consitution, and have all sorts of fucking legal methods of survailence and control; what's stopping these same people from re-defining the current laws? Suddenly, Grieves, you are found guilty of something you once thought was an innocent act!?! Obviously that's a far-fetched scenario but, if people don't fight for their rights... and keep the same "If you aren't comming crimes, you have nothing to worry about" mentality, where will it end. Why people aren't protesting that 'google street view' bullshit is COMPLETELY absurd. __________________ "There are only three useless things in this world. Nuns' nipples, bishops' balls and an employer's praise without a raise."

04-19-2009, 03:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,082 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,562 Thanked 3,113 Times in 1,708 Posts	go read some more brave new world and 1984.. "So what if they install camera's in your homes, implant chips under your skin and wire tap your phone calls. If you are innocent, what do you have to fear?" none of that holds any relevance to dna data banks...You are making unfounded correlations based out of fear.. I don't know why drug users are the most against these scenarios, in all big brother run societies, drugs are prevalent to pacify the masses... Apathy is the only key to global pacifism... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

04-19-2009, 03:40 PM	#14 (permalink)
shai_hulud Om nom Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ab, ca Posts: 2,161 Thanks: 440 Thanked 600 Times in 335 Posts	I just think your logic is retarded. __________________ "There are only three useless things in this world. Nuns' nipples, bishops' balls and an employer's praise without a raise."

04-19-2009, 03:47 PM	#15 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,082 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,562 Thanked 3,113 Times in 1,708 Posts	and i the same about yours... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

04-19-2009, 03:57 PM	#17 (permalink)
shai_hulud Om nom Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ab, ca Posts: 2,161 Thanks: 440 Thanked 600 Times in 335 Posts	:d __________________ "There are only three useless things in this world. Nuns' nipples, bishops' balls and an employer's praise without a raise."

04-19-2009, 03:58 PM	#18 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,082 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,562 Thanked 3,113 Times in 1,708 Posts	ohsi, other peoples opinions... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

04-19-2009, 04:02 PM	#19 (permalink)
shai_hulud Om nom Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: ab, ca Posts: 2,161 Thanks: 440 Thanked 600 Times in 335 Posts	why not just extract dna from people straight up when they are born then. if they aren't criminals, nothing to worry about... AMIRITE __________________ "There are only three useless things in this world. Nuns' nipples, bishops' balls and an employer's praise without a raise."

04-19-2009, 04:08 PM	#20 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,082 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,562 Thanked 3,113 Times in 1,708 Posts	wrong...The only thing being done here is to improve existing technology and methods for criminal identification...No cameras in homes, no chip implants, etc... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

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