GAY marriage Vs. MMJ?

medicaluser · 05-07-2009, 05:18 PM

Am I wrong to conclude we can say GAY marriage is OK, but cooking/using MMJ is wrong let alone its been saving lives for Centuries?
Peace,
Make SmartChoices

cantSEEme · 05-07-2009, 05:20 PM

i dont get it?

how are you comparing the two?

its apples and oranges

Grieves · 05-07-2009, 05:20 PM

where are you getting the correlation between the two...They seem like two unrelated issues to me...

stoneric · 05-07-2009, 05:31 PM

Wow, you guys said the same thing differently at the same time.

Grieves · 05-07-2009, 05:38 PM

and at 4:20 nonetheless...trippy

The Rev · 05-07-2009, 05:58 PM

"Medical Marijuana" is a cop out, IMO. It's concessionary. To say, "we should allow pot to be legal for medical reasons" implies that it shouldn't simply be legal because there's no good reason to outlaw it. The Medical Marijuana movement is, essentially, validating the argument that pot, for it's own sake, deserves to be banned; it's asking the powers that be, "Can we, if we only use it for medicine?"

We should be able to smoke herb for whatever goddamn reason we want.

The Rev

The Rev · 05-07-2009, 05:59 PM

As for gay marriage, I'm 100% behind it. Any institution which allows two good looking guys to take each other off the market just improves my chances of bedding a hottie.

The Rev

Dr. Nick Nasty · 05-07-2009, 06:57 PM

two completely different issues...if your trying to refer to the fact that it seems gay marriage advocates have had more success than marijuana reform advocates as of late, that's one thing--it also has to do with the fact that gay rights people have been alot more determined and less compromising about their cause whereas mj reform advocates keep going for bullshit incrementalism and palling around with idiots like Bob Barr.

medicaluser · 05-08-2009, 08:55 AM

where are you getting the correlation between the two... The law... It seems to me the laws are "tilted" toward GAY marriage.

verklingen · 05-08-2009, 09:57 AM

why do you keep capitalizing gay? and the answer is obvious as others have mentioned, gay activists are simply more determined and outspoken

John F. Kerry · 05-08-2009, 10:18 AM

well they are similar in some ways.

but its refreshing to see the people on here not support gay marriage in the same breath as medical marijuana because whereas probably 70% of americans think pot should be decriminalized, far fewer think gay marriage should be allowed.

to tell the truth i never understood why gays would not be happy with "civil unions and equal rights under law".

if they told me that i could smoke pot freely and grow it and use it, but i just had to call it "civil use" of pot rather than "legal use" of pot, u know what id say? who the fuck cares.....good enough for me.

i dont wanna chalk it all up to gay activism but they sure seem to be demanding our entire society to change to what they want rather than let our society change slightly to ACCOMODATE their choices....

verklingen · 05-08-2009, 10:29 AM

j, either marriage as a whole should cease being recognized on a legal level or gay couples should be afforded the same legal recognition as straight couples. that's why they are not happy with the cop-out known as civil unions. it's not them being unreasonable it's folk like you being unreasonably determined to deny them this equality.

John F. Kerry · 05-08-2009, 10:37 AM

Im honestly comming to the pragmatic conclusion that what we have to do is somewhat along the lines of what the gay activists want, but not really what they want.

in fact, they are forcing us reexaming our logic, because these questions are deeply philosophical.

i have long since abandoned trying to have these kinds of high minded discussions on yahooka although if anyone want to post a high minded response feel free.

i guess what im comming around to realize is that the only way to keep marriage the way it should and ought to be (imo between a man and a woman) is to remove any form of government sanction from marriage.

I think its somewhat unfortunate tho, because the gov't should imo be able to encourage the behavior it belives is conducive to having a good healthy society- but the debate rages as to what is good and healthy.... and any talk of gays being "not good" or "not health" is immediately attacked as racism.

therefore i think the only way to justly exclude gays from marriage is to remove marriage from the governments responsibilities.... altho by doing so we will be doing damage of another kind.

verklingen · 05-08-2009, 10:39 AM

that is a suitable solution, absolutely

what damage would be done?

edit:

Quote:

Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

I think its somewhat unfortunate tho, because the gov't should imo be able to encourage the behavior it belives is conducive to having a good healthy society

maybe promoting equality falls into that category?

**Mafoo** · 05-08-2009, 12:12 PM

as for the gay marriage issue, isnt this a different version of the same decision in plessy v ferguson ruling seperate but equal facilities for blacks and whites was constitutional? the ruling was later overturned( i cant remember the name) now in this situation its seperate but equal recognition of a union. to me its pretty clear that, under the constiution, you cant seperate unions into categories because it is not in fact equal recognition. essentialy gay people have not the same freedom as straight people which makes them like slaves. and as we know the 13th amendment abolished enslavement of all kinds in the U.S.

**farmergiles** · 05-08-2009, 12:23 PM

It could be argued that the two issues are co- related.

If people want to take MJ for medicinal or recreational purposes it doesn`t do anyone else any harm so let them.

If gay couples want to be married according to the law it doesn`t do anyone else any harm so let them.

stoneric · 05-08-2009, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

if they told me that i could smoke pot freely and grow it and use it, but i just had to call it "civil use" of pot rather than "legal use" of pot, u know what id say? who the fuck cares.....good enough for me.

Poor analogy. Doesn't have anything to do with discrimination.

Roach · 05-08-2009, 06:00 PM

gay "marriage" runs directly into religion.

marijuana legalization runs into a hundred years of political lies.

people generally can accept that some politicians lied regarding marijuana.

with religion it's not so easy...and which to choose...Christianit y for Three ? Mohamadanism ?

religulous-nuss

Religulous - Own It On DVD

?

who's shitfaced...

me

Grieves · 05-09-2009, 02:48 AM

"hundred of years of political lies" = Religion to alot of people...

medicaluser · 05-09-2009, 07:43 AM

Sorry, I cap. GAY, but I thought it was? I agrree with John Kerry.
"I think its somewhat unfortunate tho, because the gov't should imo be able to encourage the behavior it belives is conducive to having a good healthy society- but the debate rages as to what is good and healthy.... and any talk of gays being "not good" or "not health" is immediately attacked as racism."

05-07-2009, 05:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
medicaluser YaHookan Join Date: May 2009 Location: Rocky Mountains Posts: 20 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	GAY marriage Vs. MMJ? Am I wrong to conclude we can say GAY marriage is OK, but cooking/using MMJ is wrong let alone its been saving lives for Centuries? Peace, Make SmartChoices __________________ Peace, makesmartchoices.org

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Grieves Biblioburro... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Terra Sancta Posts: 11,588 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,903 Thanked 2,559 Times in 1,424 Posts	where are you getting the correlation between the two...They seem like two unrelated issues to me... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

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Grieves Biblioburro... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Terra Sancta Posts: 11,588 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,903 Thanked 2,559 Times in 1,424 Posts	and at 4:20 nonetheless...trippy __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

05-07-2009, 05:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,672 Thanks: 4,716 Thanked 5,057 Times in 2,708 Posts	"Medical Marijuana" is a cop out, IMO. It's concessionary. To say, "we should allow pot to be legal for medical reasons" implies that it shouldn't simply be legal because there's no good reason to outlaw it. The Medical Marijuana movement is, essentially, validating the argument that pot, for it's own sake, deserves to be banned; it's asking the powers that be, "Can we, if we only use it for medicine?" We should be able to smoke herb for whatever goddamn reason we want. The Rev __________________ "You're seriously flying close to the fag-sun, icarus." -Flamingnun

05-07-2009, 05:59 PM	#7 (permalink)
The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,672 Thanks: 4,716 Thanked 5,057 Times in 2,708 Posts	As for gay marriage, I'm 100% behind it. Any institution which allows two good looking guys to take each other off the market just improves my chances of bedding a hottie. The Rev __________________ "You're seriously flying close to the fag-sun, icarus." -Flamingnun

05-07-2009, 05:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,051 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	i dont get it? how are you comparing the two? its apples and oranges

05-07-2009, 05:31 PM	#4 (permalink)
stoneric bougeman Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,223 Thanks: 431 Thanked 1,246 Times in 892 Posts	Wow, you guys said the same thing differently at the same time.

05-07-2009, 06:57 PM	#8 (permalink)
Dr. Nick Nasty A PhD in Anarchy Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York/New Jersey Metro Wasteland Posts: 1,095 Blog Entries: 5 Thanks: 576 Thanked 347 Times in 219 Posts	two completely different issues...if your trying to refer to the fact that it seems gay marriage advocates have had more success than marijuana reform advocates as of late, that's one thing--it also has to do with the fact that gay rights people have been alot more determined and less compromising about their cause whereas mj reform advocates keep going for bullshit incrementalism and palling around with idiots like Bob Barr. __________________ The true [classical] liberal, in pursuit of fixed principles, must never have fixed political alliances. They must change based on the ruling rationale of the moment.- Lew Rockwell

05-08-2009, 08:55 AM	#9 (permalink)
medicaluser YaHookan Join Date: May 2009 Location: Rocky Mountains Posts: 20 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	where are you getting the correlation between the two... The law... It seems to me the laws are "tilted" toward GAY marriage. __________________ Peace, makesmartchoices.org

05-08-2009, 09:57 AM	#10 (permalink)
verklingen Radical Dreamer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: texas Posts: 8,031 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,470 Times in 940 Posts	why do you keep capitalizing gay? and the answer is obvious as others have mentioned, gay activists are simply more determined and outspoken __________________ “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” rip matt

05-08-2009, 10:18 AM	#11 (permalink)
John F. Kerry Weiner-stache Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,643 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 453 Times in 328 Posts	well they are similar in some ways. but its refreshing to see the people on here not support gay marriage in the same breath as medical marijuana because whereas probably 70% of americans think pot should be decriminalized, far fewer think gay marriage should be allowed. to tell the truth i never understood why gays would not be happy with "civil unions and equal rights under law". if they told me that i could smoke pot freely and grow it and use it, but i just had to call it "civil use" of pot rather than "legal use" of pot, u know what id say? who the fuck cares.....good enough for me. i dont wanna chalk it all up to gay activism but they sure seem to be demanding our entire society to change to what they want rather than let our society change slightly to ACCOMODATE their choices....

05-08-2009, 10:29 AM	#12 (permalink)
verklingen Radical Dreamer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: texas Posts: 8,031 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,470 Times in 940 Posts	j, either marriage as a whole should cease being recognized on a legal level or gay couples should be afforded the same legal recognition as straight couples. that's why they are not happy with the cop-out known as civil unions. it's not them being unreasonable it's folk like you being unreasonably determined to deny them this equality. __________________ “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” rip matt

05-08-2009, 10:37 AM	#13 (permalink)
John F. Kerry Weiner-stache Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,643 Thanks: 1,772 Thanked 453 Times in 328 Posts	Im honestly comming to the pragmatic conclusion that what we have to do is somewhat along the lines of what the gay activists want, but not really what they want. in fact, they are forcing us reexaming our logic, because these questions are deeply philosophical. i have long since abandoned trying to have these kinds of high minded discussions on yahooka although if anyone want to post a high minded response feel free. i guess what im comming around to realize is that the only way to keep marriage the way it should and ought to be (imo between a man and a woman) is to remove any form of government sanction from marriage. I think its somewhat unfortunate tho, because the gov't should imo be able to encourage the behavior it belives is conducive to having a good healthy society- but the debate rages as to what is good and healthy.... and any talk of gays being "not good" or "not health" is immediately attacked as racism. therefore i think the only way to justly exclude gays from marriage is to remove marriage from the governments responsibilities.... altho by doing so we will be doing damage of another kind.

05-08-2009, 12:12 PM	#15 (permalink)
Mafoo nice daze Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: the anguish of anticipated transformation Posts: 5,962 Thanks: 3,491 Thanked 2,356 Times in 1,540 Posts	as for the gay marriage issue, isnt this a different version of the same decision in plessy v ferguson ruling seperate but equal facilities for blacks and whites was constitutional? the ruling was later overturned( i cant remember the name) now in this situation its seperate but equal recognition of a union. to me its pretty clear that, under the constiution, you cant seperate unions into categories because it is not in fact equal recognition. essentialy gay people have not the same freedom as straight people which makes them like slaves. and as we know the 13th amendment abolished enslavement of all kinds in the U.S. __________________ PLUR For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return Last edited by Mafoo; 05-08-2009 at 12:14 PM.

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farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In My Fire Engine Posts: 7,134 Thanks: 2,040 Thanked 3,167 Times in 2,191 Posts	It could be argued that the two issues are co- related. If people want to take MJ for medicinal or recreational purposes it doesn`t do anyone else any harm so let them. If gay couples want to be married according to the law it doesn`t do anyone else any harm so let them. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys*

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Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 6,771 Thanks: 2,116 Thanked 1,721 Times in 1,333 Posts	gay "marriage" runs directly into religion. marijuana legalization runs into a hundred years of political lies. people generally can accept that some politicians lied regarding marijuana. with religion it's not so easy...and which to choose...Christianit y for Three ? Mohamadanism ? religulous-nuss Religulous - Own It On DVD ? who's shitfaced... me Attached Images __________________ לזיין את הקופים Last edited by Roach; 05-08-2009 at 06:23 PM.

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Grieves Biblioburro... Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Terra Sancta Posts: 11,588 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,903 Thanked 2,559 Times in 1,424 Posts	"hundred of years of political lies" = Religion to alot of people... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

05-09-2009, 07:43 AM	#20 (permalink)
medicaluser YaHookan Join Date: May 2009 Location: Rocky Mountains Posts: 20 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Sorry, I cap. GAY, but I thought it was? I agrree with John Kerry. "I think its somewhat unfortunate tho, because the gov't should imo be able to encourage the behavior it belives is conducive to having a good healthy society- but the debate rages as to what is good and healthy.... and any talk of gays being "not good" or "not health" is immediately attacked as racism." __________________ Peace, makesmartchoices.org

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