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View Poll Results: Do you feel your rights as a soverign citizen are being violated?
Yes, but I feel helpless to do anything. 3 25.00%
Yes, but I stand strong for my rights whenever possible. 8 66.67%
No, but I don't really know all my rights. 0 0%
No, and I am sure of my rights. 1 8.33%
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Old 05-18-2009, 10:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My Fellow Americans!

My fellow Americans. Your sovereignty is under attack. Do you realise the implications of that statement? For you are each kings and queens of your property. YOURSELVES! You have been under attack for some time. Will you defend yourselves or surrender your greatness and become a slave!?



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i wanna be a SLAVE!
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Old 05-19-2009, 12:45 AM   #3 (permalink)
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"Might makes Right" replaced the constitution shortly after this guy was elected:



As for slavery, I think it's only until July or August (if you count all taxes and expropriation through inflation).



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Old 05-20-2009, 04:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Watched up to 21, I will watch all of it, a great eye opener.

Watched it all, if only I could find it with at least spanish subtitles I could show it to my fellow US slaves, I mean, US citizens of Puerto Rico.

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Please vote and let me know why.

Edit - Yes, I spelled sovereign wrong in the poll.
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My signature says it all. You have no rights unless you exercise them
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our government is a manifestation of what we allow as a society. if we are allowing the inhibition of freedom and we find it does not serve us, we need only begin to allow something else.

you are not separate from your government. you ARE your government. empowering yourself (to reclaim freedoms or whatever) is not about disabling your government. . . empowering yourself is about allowing your government to exercise its authority differently, to realize its power in a different way. you already have all the power, all the influence on this country and our world that you will ever have. you are empowered to the fullest. all that awaits your discovery are revelations of just how powerful and influential you already are. it's about allowing that revelation and reinforcing it every moment, with every action.
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the problem is now we're too afraid to try and stop it, we fear our own creation...
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Good post, verk.

I agree for the most part. Our government is just a manifestation of what our overall consciousness allows. The part I disagree with is:

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Are you resigning your/my position to one of no growth? Do you assume that it's not possible to gain additional influence? If so, why?
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personally i feel like putting bulletproof doors on cockpits was far better an idea and more effective than every provision of the patriot act combined at stopping terrorist hijackings.... so, what was the patriot act for again?
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To put the powers that be in a position in which they can enact their goals more freely. I think it was also a litmus test on their behalf to see what the general reaction of the public would be to such an obtuse violation of rights put into law.

Just a piece of the ladder, imo.
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i think your right, and i think we seriously need to tear that ladder down and soon.

i dont follow the obama administration very much - has he done anything to restore civil liberties taken away under bush ?
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Are you resigning your/my position to one of no growth? Do you assume that it's not possible to gain additional influence? If so, why?
yeah man i really don't think it is. we're already being as influential as possible by allowing this kind of circumstance to arise. we need only realize/apply our influence differently if we favor a different result.

i think it's just semantics, man. i see influence as a constant, it's what's done with it that can change
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Old 05-27-2009, 08:40 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Interesting.

Would you then agree that the influence of Dale Carnegie was equal to the influence of a relative 'nobody'?

I tend to view influence in the realm of possibility. We all may have the same possibility for X amount of influence but until we perform the equation (working on yourSelf) with the highest variables we cannot equal the influence of someone who includes larger variables.

I suppose in my case it then becomes a question of what the variables are.
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Hardline property rights? C'mon, we don't live in a community in a society, or as a world?

Limiting what one can do on one's own property is a scary 'socialist idea', but limiting a 6 year old from carrying a gun is somehow totally divine and in tune with the rights our 'creator' gave us?

Compromise is what you get when you live with other life. The rights you may legitimately have in the American constitution do not make the US constitution, or your rights, an absolutely good thing.
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America is in reality a socio-democracy.

That translates into the government owning not only your land but you yourself. That pretty much includes any and everything you are allowed to do and have while you live out your semi communal life in America. For in the end, that which you have accumulated (if not passed on to your survivors) returns to the state.

And there is nothing you can do about it but revolt against the existing madness...in sufficient mass to overthrow it, and replace it with yet another form of madness perhaps.

good luck with that.

An interesting test would be a nationwide refusal to file income tax returns...federal, state, and local, not refusing to pay these rediculous taxes, just refuse to file as a statement of solidarity and discontent. The Fed would go apeshit.

And there we have our new party...The Solidarity Party , the peoples party.


rather than start a new thread, I'll pitch a bitch here.

I'm currently on 40% unemployment. Bi weekly deposit into an epicard account is $628. Making the total balance $638. I check with online deposit on the 26th and it says the deposits been made. I go to the atm , but it says insufficient funds. No biggie right ? Deposit just didn't hit the bank yet. Next day I do a phone in to check the balance ...$638.00, go to the atm and withdraw $200.00, and have receipt printed out.
Says balance is $368.00
So this motherfucking pennsylvania hired unemployment bank- PNC - Has hit me with a $70 fucking overdraft fee on money it didn't give me.

That's America.
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Just CapitalIsm at it's fine-st!

Having rights innately comes with responsibility (which is the subject of interpretation). Is the 6 year old with the gun responsible enough to use it? I would argue NO! He proves that by his lack of understanding of the world that the majority of society lives in.

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The rights you may legitimately have in the American constitution do not make the US constitution, or your rights, an absolutely good thing.
I don't have the rights IN the constitution. The constitution, or more accurately the Bill of Rights, are simply declaration of what many consider of Natural Rights.

I'm not turning this into a morality thread.
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And there is nothing you can do about it but revolt against the existing madness...in sufficient mass to overthrow it, and replace it with yet another form of madness perhaps.

good luck with that.
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We are fully capable of influence as we do it daily, weather we know it or not. Having awareness of that power to help leave good influence or karma can create ripples we never see the end of. If you effect one person in a small way, they might effect one person in kind, and so on.

I think this is sorta what Verk was getting at. I'd call it our inherent Buddha nature. Just look within and see it's there just under the surface, the change you want to be and the perception to notice we have strength now to do good, irregaurdless of gov't control, they never have our minds.
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