ProfessorMurder

Ida is linked to humans by the talus bone in her ankle which is the same shape.
Scientists also said her opposable big toes and nails, not claws, confirmed she was a primate

It was called Darwinius masillae in honor of Charles Darwin, who advanced the theory of evolution, but nicknamed Ida.

The fossil was found by an amateur collector in 1983 in the world heritage listed Messel pit,
a disused quarry southeast of Frankfurt where many fossils have been found.

Ida was kept in a private collection until it was offered for sale to Hurum and the University of Oslo in 2006.

Private Collection?
Makes you wonder what else is in "thier" Private Collection?

The Pegasus from Clash of the Titans
Alien wrist communicator watch
Swine Flu Vaccine

and so on and so forth...

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badgoalie85

got any sort of link or something we could check out?

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ProfessorMurder

It's like world changing news.

push a button,

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/19/bu...31a&ei=5087%0A

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msicidron

"She's beautiful and interesting and important, but I do have to take exception to the surprisingly frantic news coverage I'm seeing. She's being called the "missing link in human evolution", which is annoying. The whole "missing link" category is a bit of journalistic trumpery: almost every fossil could be called a link, and it feeds the simplistic notion that there could be a single definitive bridge between ancient and modern species. There isn't: there is the slow shift of whole populations which can branch and diverge. It's also inappropriate to tag this discovery to human evolution. She's 47 million years old; she's also a missing link in chimp evolution, or rhesus monkey evolution. She's got wider significance than just her relationship to our narrow line."

from some article i found.

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to think there is only one "missing link" though is, imo, plain foolish.

"MISSING LINK" FOUND: New Fossil Links Humans, Lemurs?

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ProfessorMurder

So why is everyone calling it the missing link?...


Illuminati Conspiracy!


Why is it being pushed in such a "be all, end all" significant find?

if this was such a hard-on inducing fossil,
why did it take over 20 years to make it public?

What other pieces are in private collections that could change the way we see ourselves?



Does anyone else feel cheated or dupped that all these years
fuckin' sasquatch was in someones' closet,
being shown off to impress his friends and get him laid.


While everyone else is busy fighting Holy Religious Wars in Religious Land Grabs,
Along with Rumsfeld's "Christian Warriors Smite the Muslim Infidels" War

The real keepers of the torch were auctioning off our human history.

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badgoalie85

dude everything is an illuminati conspiracy.

everything

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Flamingnun

They don't mention "private collection" once in that article, stop being a sensationalist fag.

It takes a lot of time to properly excavate, and analyse, xray, etc.. a fossil of that significance, what good would it have been alerting the press on day one, when they probably didn't even know the whole story?

You suggesting that evolution is some media filtered NWO policy..?

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For a bunch of stoners you guys are no fun.

Just looking at it you can tell the difference.

An ape with a thumb?

The article said they sold it to a university from a private collection

Scientists unveil ancient fossilised primate
Reuters - ‎May 19, 2009‎... a disused quarry southeast of Frankfurt where many fossils have been found.
Ida was kept in a private collection until it was offered for sale to Hurum

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ProfessorMurder

I'll ignore that comment for now.


Because I'm a nice guy.

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ProfessorMurder

Your stunning intellect has convinced me.


Wait, were you being sardonic?

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ProfessorMurder

I never heard of conflicting ideas being held back or promoted merely on a political basis.


Oh, except Thomas Edison V. Nikola Tesla

Whoopsy-Daisy

Current Wars
from wiki:

Edison's publicity campaign

Edison carried out a campaign to discourage the use[11] of alternating
current, including spreading information on fatal AC accidents, publicly killing
animals, and lobbying against the use of AC in state legislatures. Edison
directed his technicians, primarily Arthur Kennelly and Harold P. Brown,[12] to
preside over several AC-driven executions of animals, primarily stray cats and
dogs but also unwanted cattle and horses. Acting on these directives, they
were to demonstrate to the press that alternating current was more
dangerous than Edison's system of direct current.[13] Edison's series of
animal executions peaked with the filmed electrocution of Topsy, a Coney
Island circus elephant. He also tried to popularize the term for being
electrocuted as being "Westinghoused".

Edison opposed capital punishment, but his desire to disparage the system of
alternating current led to the invention of the electric chair. Harold P. Brown,
who was at this time being secretly paid by Edison, constructed the first
electric chair for the state of New York in order to promote the idea that
alternating current was deadlier than DC.[14]

When the chair was first used, on August 6, 1890, the technicians on hand
misjudged the voltage needed to kill the condemned prisoner, William
Kemmler. The first jolt of electricity was not enough to kill Kemmler, and only
left him badly injured. The procedure had to be repeated and a reporter on
hand described it as "an awful spectacle, far worse than hanging." George
Westinghouse commented: "They would have done better using an axe."




Tesla’s Free Energy Inventions Supressed | Tesla Inventions | The Green Optimistic

Tesla’s free-energy concept was patented in 1901 as an “Apparatus for the
Utilization of Radiant Energy.” The patent refers to “the sun, as well as other
sources of radiant energy, like cosmic rays,” that the device works at night is
explained in terms of the night-time availability of cosmic rays. Tesla also
refers to the ground as “a vast reservoir of negative electricity.”

Tesla received two patents for this radiant energy device; U.S. Patent No.
685,957 - Apparatus for the Utilization of Radiant Energy and U.S. Patent No.
685,958 - Method of Utilizing Radiant Energy. Both these patents were filed
on March 21, 1901 and granted on November 5, 1901. In these patents he
explains:

The Earth’s Electrostatic Charge

Tesla’s intent was to condense the energy trapped between the earth and
its upper atmosphere and to transform it into an electric current. He pictured
the sun as an immense ball of electricity, positively charged with a potential
of some 200 billion volts. The earth, on the other hand, is charged with
negative electricity. The tremendous electrical force between these two
bodies constituted, at least in part, what he called cosmic energy. It varied
from night to day and from season to season but it is always present.

The positive particles are stopped at the ionosphere and between it and the
negative charges in the ground, a distance of 60 miles, there is a large
difference of voltage - something on the order of 360,000 volts. With the
gases of the atmosphere acting as an insulator between these two opposite
stores of electrical charges, the region between the ground and the edge of
space traps a great deal of energy. Despite the large size of the planet, it is
electrically like a capacitor which keeps positive and negative charges apart
by using the air as a non-conducting material as an insulator.

Fun with your drumset and cymbals makeshift Tesla Coil


experiment to show how tesla tower
converts static in the atmosphere between the earths ionesphere and the earth itself to produce electricity that you can use

Nikola Tesla's free energy plan // Current

Telsa's energy plan was stifled by other industries who felt threatened by the
commercial implications of his ideas, the implications being free energy for everyone,
and non-reliance on industry as a result Jp Morgan also withdrew his investments!

Nikola Tesla determined that waves of energy in the earth could be used to transmit power

to any point on the globe. in laboratory tests he successfully demonstrates the

illumination of wireless lamps miles away from his laboratory.

Nikola Tesla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1900, with US$150,000 (51 % from J. Pierpont Morgan), Tesla began
planning the Wardenclyffe Tower facility. In June 1902, Tesla's lab operations
were moved to Wardenclyffe from Houston Street. The tower was finally
dismantled for scrap during World War I.[70] Newspapers of the time labeled
Wardenclyffe "Tesla's million-dollar folly". In 1904, the US Patent Office
reversed its decision and awarded Guglielmo Marconi the patent for radio, and
Tesla began his fight to re-acquire the radio patent. On his 50th birthday in
1906, Tesla demonstrated his 200 hp (150 kW) 16,000 rpm bladeless turbine.
During 1910–1911 at the Waterside Power Station in New York, several of his
bladeless turbine engines were tested at 100–5000 hp.

Earlier, Tesla alone was rumored to have been nominated for the Nobel Prize
of 1912. The rumored nomination was primarily for his experiments with tuned
circuits using high-voltage high-frequency resonant transformers.

In 1915, Tesla filed a lawsuit against Marconi attempting, unsuccessfully, to
obtain a court injunction against Marconi's claims. After Wardenclyffe, Tesla
built the Telefunken Wireless Station in Sayville, Long Island. Some of what
he wanted to achieve at Wardenclyffe was accomplished with the Telefunken
Wireless. In 1917, the facility was seized and torn down by the Marines,
because it was suspected that it could be used by German spies.

Science Technology Tesla Wireless Power Energy Physics - , Science, Technology, Tesla, Wireless, Power, Energy, Physics - sciencestage.comElec trical engineering
a recommended video on link

The life story & work of Nikola Tesla. He invented AC electricity, Neon Lights,
Radio transmission, The Electric motor, Wireless electricity transfer, Remote
control, Hydraulics, Lasers, Space weapons, Robotics, & many, many more
things.As Tesla claimed to have invented a way to harness free energy from
the voltage difference in the ionosphere that causes lighning, he was seen as
a threat to the world energy economy & most of his inventions were
classified for national securtiy by the US govenment.A lot of his discoveries in
physics have not been released to the public, depsite being invented nearly
100 years ago. Other technologies not yet released to the public include
HAARP Elecromagnetic technology & high energy directed particle beams used
in space weapons.

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not reading this^


ya'know guys, (there are a few others on 'hooka right now), organization and compressing can go a long way to get more people to read what you want them to read

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verklingen

what does tesla have to do with this?

if the thing is a fake time will tell, just like time told the story of tesla and anyone with half a brain recognizes the tragedy of his magnificent genius.

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K10

It's being called the "missing link" because of all the intelligent design crap the the religious folks are diggin on. If you'll remember, a couple years ago there was a big fuss and a trial involving intelligent design vs. evolution which led to a lot of terminology coming out of the media.....ie....miss ing link and irreducible complexity. Anyways....those on the side of intelligent design argued that bacterial flagellum were of irreducible complexity, or in other words something so complex could not have evolved from nothing and it had to have been created by an "intelligent designer". BS. The other side countered with a similar recently discovered fossil that showed a transitional stage of evolution which the intelligent design folks had said couldn't be found and didn't exist. Interesting stuff.

And as far as this "private collection" thing you're freaking out about, maybe you should do some research as to how archaeology/paleontology operate and you will be extremely hard pressed to see any conspiracy theory here.

....and seriously....what the fuck does tesla have to do with this?

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Tesla is an example of Science v. Industry

or valuable scientific discoverys coverered up or blocked.


Wind
solar
diseal engines on vegetable oil
Cow manure-Methane-capture-refinement-fuel

or

Hemp as a cash crop.


Dead Sea Scrolls
antikythera machine
Baghdad Battery (ancient electric current used to gold plate jewelry)

It's a commentary of how some people push and pull new ideas.

The Illuminati Title was just for gags.

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ProfessorMurder

The struggle between ideas.

Thank You K10.

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Secrecy in science : Thoughts from Kansas

Secrecy in science
Category: Policy and Politics
Posted on: May 20, 2009 3:26 PM, by Josh Rosenau

Scientists generally advocate for openness. Full disclosure of methods is vital
to peer review and to reproducibility or even evaluation of experimental
results. Scientists are also pushing hard for a new publishing system which
doesn't hide research behind copyright walls. The community of science is
largely an open book, encouraging collaboration, review, and public discussion
of new findings.

In general, this tends to prevent scientists from hyping their results.
That obviously didn't happen with D. masillae.(Ida)
As Brian and Carl point out, the find
is probably not quite as important a transitional form as the press releases
tend to claim.The paper's phylogenetic analysis is weak, and the public claims
about D. masillae's relationship to other early primates are probably
overstated. It's a good early adapid, but it probably won't revolutionize primatology.


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I completely agree that this find is not what its being 'projected', 'marketed'
and 'sold' as. And, I am not a fanatic with religious ideas opposing evolution.

Big names like google and national geographic are in agreement with it.
Seems like their agenda is to turn a 'flaky theory' into an 'established fact'.
Only time will tell if this hubris will turn out anything of value or lay a dud.

The fact that Mr Hurum decided to name the specimen after his daughter
says a lot about his self-propagating intentions. I am sure the book, the
movie and a soft toy named Ida will all do well, as their is an abundance of
folks ready to suck it all up.

It is quite unfortunate but such are the times...

Posted by: Tracy | May 21, 2009 4:28 AM



The event, which will coincide with the publishing of a peer-reviewed
article about the find, is the first stop in a coordinated, branded media event,
orchestrated by the scientists and the History Channel, including a film
detailing the secretive two-year study of the fossil, a book release, an
exclusive arrangement with ABC News and an elaborate Web site.

“Any pop band is doing the same thing,” said Jorn H. Hurum, a scientist at
the University of Oslo who acquired the fossil and assembled the team of
scientists that studied it. “Any athlete is doing the same thing. We have to
start thinking the same way in science.”

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'Missing Link' Ida Is Just Media Hype

But despite the hype, a whirlwind of questions still surrounds the discovery. First, the
environment in which the fossil was kept for 20 years is unclear. Ida, who bears the
technical name Darwinius masillae in honor of this year’s 200th anniversary of British
naturalist Charles Darwin’s birth, was found in 1983 by an amateur fossil hunter at
Germany’s Messel Pit. He kept it in unknown conditions before deciding to sell it through
a dealer two years ago.

Second, the purchaser’s stated motivation for obtaining the fossil seemed to emphasize
business over research. University of Oslo paleontologist Jørn Hurum nicknamed the
fossil “Ida” after his own small daughter and told UK news outlet The Guardian, “You
need an icon or two in a museum to drag people in…this is our Mona Lisa and it will be
our Mona Lisa for the next 100 years.”1 Hurum purchased the fossil for an undisclosed
sum from the dealer based on seeing only three photographs and not the actual fossil,
a “huge gamble” that suggests pressure to make some kind of return on the university’s
investment.


Third, the fossil was hailed as humanity’s missing evolutionary link before the technical
details of the find were published. This strategy effectively prevented the scientific
community from evaluating the data and possibly calling a halt to the campaign on
account of the fact that Ida has no transitional features and is therefore irrelevant to
the evolutionary hypothesis of human development. Paleontologists are speaking out,
but their voices are thus far being drowned out by the hype. Richard Kay from Duke
University told Science that “the data is cherry-picked.”2

Fossil Claimed To Be Missing Link Revealed

And they have been critical of the hype surrounding the presentation of Ida.

The fossil was launched amid great fanfare at the American Museum of
Natural History in New York, by the city's mayor.

Although details of the fossil have only just been published in a scientific
journal - PLoS One - there is already a TV documentary and book tie-in.


Dr Chris Beard, curator of the Carnegie Museum of Natural History and author of The Hunt for the Dawn Monkey,
said he was "awestruck" by the publicity machine surrounding the new fossil.

He argued that it could damage the popularisation of science if the creature was not all that it was hyped up to be.

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