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Rise of Ayatollah Khomeini
Main article: Ruhollah Khomeini

Ayatollah KhomeiniSee also: Movement of 15 Khordad

The leader of the Iranian revolution — Shia cleric Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini — first
came to political prominence in 1963 when he led opposition to the Shah and his "White
Revolution", a program of reforms to break up landholdings (including those owned by
religious foundations), grant women the right to vote and equality in marriage, and allow
religious minorities to hold government office.

Khomeini was arrested in 1963 after declaring the Shah a "wretched miserable man" who
had "embarked on the destruction of Islam in Iran."[44] Three days of major riots
throughout Iran followed, with Khomeini supporters claiming 15,000 dead from police fire.[
45] Khomeini was released after eight months of house arrest and continued his
agitation, condemning the regime's close cooperation with Israel and its capitulations, or
extension of diplomatic immunity to American government personnel in Iran. In November
1964 Khomeini was re-arrested and sent into exile where he remained for 14 years until
the revolution.


It's like bizzarro world.

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al-Mu'akhkhir

Politics and Current Affairs trolling is worse than any other kind.

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verklingen

i think this is good news. the people are expressing themselves politically, either by actually voting this dude in (unlikely) or demonstrating their disbelief that he won.

i wonder if iran will begin to take israel a little lighter after their landmark concession, or indeed the whole region. just goes to show how much the tides are shifting.

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Maturin

Sir,

I'm not sure what you mean by that last post, but there's a couple of options. You're either calling me a troll, which just shows ignorance. Few people care about this forum more than I, as anyone who's been around for three years and actually paying attention would know.

Secondly, you could be calling kamikazi a troll, which is even more ignorant. Kami's post are often out of left field, but there's a method to his madness and he usually has something worthy to say. I was just asking where he was going with his last post, which seems a little disconnected from the original subject. I'm sure though, there's a reason.

Either way, you're displaying some ignorance of some forum regulars. Maybe it's best to keep your ears open and your mouth shut?

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Anyway, to try and get this back on subject. There's been some good insight from people. 'goalie's offered the most thoughtful post on the subject, and I largely agree with everything he's said. A few other people mentioned that Ahmadinejad gave his hand away when he won by such by unrealistically huge margin. Rigging it so he won by a few percentage points would have been smarter.


Anyone seen the "investigation' into vote fraud he's going to launch. I'm sure much will come of it. They might find out he really got 70% of the vote.

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Manverue

It doesn't seem like there would be any kind of revolution any time soon. It's not like 1979 where the US could put pressure on the government to limit the force against the protesters :\

But no one can be sure how it would end up I bet it's going to provide interesting news for the next few days.

badgoalie85

I actually agree with you that we're not going to see any kind of revolution for a long time (to be fair I was incredibly high when I wrote that) but I do think that ahmedinejad's "election" is something that will serve to help mobilize and motivate the pro democracy movement (if such a movement exists) in iran...

At any rate it was certainly moving to see all of the yong people protesting and standing up for what they believe in a country where doing so can result in severe punishment.

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Manverue

Yes, definitely it's moving to see it. They had enough of the Ayatollahs and I guess supporting Mousavi is only an excuse to protest.

I'm wondering where is the most dangerous place to protest against the government - China, North Korea or Iran, or maybe there are a few other places?

John F. Kerry

the thing is, at least imo

that iranian society could "buy into" their regimes lie that america sought to topple it and rally the people behind it, WHEN bush was in office.
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but now, with obama in office and all his speaches to the muslim world and how he wants dialogue and blah blah fucking blah but the good thing is that these iranian people now simply DONT BUy the bs that we are imminently gonna overthrow them and thus the main raison d'etre for a strong anti imperialist defensive posture is removed.


the iranian people seem to be wanting greater freedom and the old clerical response that freedom plays into the hands of the evil american empire that wants to attack us isnt very compelling when hussein obama rules the us.

FourtySecondRip

or they dont feel like obama is that much different then bush in his global relationships, sure he can give better speeches but so far they are just that.

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al-Mu'akhkhir

yeah i was referring to kamikaze who I believe to be a she but... regardless, that article cannot really be construed as being related to the OP.


Kami is far from a forum regular.

Good day sir.

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stoneric

Are you saying no money is allocated to exact regime change in Iran? I say bullshit.

Center

If the vote was tampered with it was simply an insurance policy to ensure ahmadinejad's win.

Various polls were taken prior to the election with ahmadinejad around 62% or more.

Here is a pretty good article that I found reading through the blogs I frequent.

The Truth Will Set You Free: Are You Ready for War with a Demonized Iran?

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ProfessorMurder

Iran election: protesters 'worthy of execution' says cleric - Telegraph

That's more like it.

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kamikazi89

that's just the thing, you don't have a choice but to accept the ayatollah come hell or high water

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Scion

Lol. The only reason the US is interested in the middle east to begin with is to exploit it for oil and steal it.

To be sure this is all staged to some degree and overblown by the fully false corporate media. I dont think the rulers of the US and Iran are really as separate as they portray.

And the US actions are an extension of the European powers who control it and always have. This is the way that the rulers of Europe-Namely England, Rome, and others- historically treat their own masses-lower classes-and the rest of the world. Theirs is the way of slavery and divide and conquer is how they play the game in their large empires.

And it all seems to have its roots in some very evil and dark practices that they are into in their ancient secret societies-making them what they are. In this way barbarianism continues to prevail upon our Earth while all that is good and intelligent is swept aside by brute force and dinosaurs of consciousness continue to exist in the modern world.