Congress votes to regulate tobacco.

Maturin · 06-14-2009, 02:12 PM

Considering the large contingent of voices here that demand the government has no say in what we put in our bodies, I'm surprised no one else has even mentioned this story before now. Surprised, and oddly dissappointed.

Where's the outrage Yahooka?

Congress approves FDA regulation of tobacco.

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By a ratio of 3 to 1, the House of Representatives yesterday approved the Senate version of a bill that gives the federal government sweeping new powers to regulate tobacco.
"This is the day when Americans can begin to truly kick the habit, with the full force of our laws marshaled to protect consumers, and especially our young people," said Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.), a key sponsor of the House version of the bill.

The House had already passed a nearly identical version of the bill in April, but it needed to ratify the Senate's action and did so by a vote of 307 to 97.

President Obama, himself a smoker who has struggled to quit, congratulated lawmakers. "We've known for years, even decades, about the harmful, addictive and often deadly effects of tobacco products," he said. "Each year, Americans pay nearly $100 billion in added health-care costs due to smoking. Each day, about 1,000 young people under the age of 18 become regular smokers."

The legislation gives the Food and Drug Administration authority to regulate the advertising, marketing and manufacturing of tobacco products. Tobacco is used by one in five Americans, yet it is one of the least-regulated consumer products. Pet food and cosmetics are more heavily controlled by the government.

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The $89 billion tobacco industry will be required to disclose the ingredients in cigarettes and other tobacco products and will face severe limitations on how they are advertised and promoted.

The legislation stops short of allowing the FDA to prohibit tobacco or to eliminate nicotine, the addictive drug in tobacco.

Congress has been battling for more than a decade over regulating tobacco, coming close several times but faltering in the face of procedural hang-ups or opposition from the tobacco lobby or the White House. Over the years, changing social attitudes toward smoking have helped transform the suggestion of regulating tobacco from controversial to common sense.

The Rev · 06-14-2009, 03:43 PM

Between the war, the out of control spending, the unjust laws, and all that, I'm just burnt out on outrage. I've decided that giving up all hope is the most rational course of action.

The Rev

zerodown · 06-14-2009, 06:37 PM

You know, I do think that the government should have no say in what I put in my body, as long as I do it voluntarily, but people don't use tobacco voluntarily, they do it because its an addiction to the nicotine, they may have started out voluntarily, you know curiosity, just wanted to try it, but then they can't quit, even if they want to, and thats wrong, and if the government has to intervene with that then so be it if its for the good of the citizens, but as we all know, theres always something hidden with these bills and shit, so even if I would like the government to regulate tobacco I say fuck em cause they're probably gonna do it for profit instead of the people's health, if not they could have done so years ago...

Guest · 06-14-2009, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Maturin

Considering the large contingent of voices here that demand the government has no say in what we put in our bodies, I'm surprised no one else has even mentioned this story before now. Surprised, and oddly dissappointed.

Giving the FDA the ability to regulate tobacco is like giving a pack of foxes the keys to the henhouse. From what I've been seeing, half the FDA is pharaceutical executives and the other half is Monsanto executives.

Expect an FDA approved study in 2 years (blasted from coast to coast during primetime) that tobacco is good for you...

...as a medical marijuana patient, I have concerns, particularly about pesticides. Making sure cannabis that is sold or distributed is free of pesticides is a proper function of government, if you ask me.

As it is, this is a truly brilliant move by the tobacco companies. I'm sure many starving scientists will agree.

And thanks for posting about it. I almost posted about it here several times.

badgoalie85 · 06-14-2009, 06:57 PM

while i think that there is an unnecessarily large anti-tobacco sentiment in congress as well as in the country, i'm not as outraged by this as i am by the current regulations we have concerning marijuana and some other drugs. i mean, there's a big difference in increasing taxes by a buck a pack on a drug and actually throwing people in jail for using a drug.

dubtrice · 06-14-2009, 08:20 PM

Wooo! Take down big tobacco! I really need to quit smoking!

Mydriasis · 06-14-2009, 08:23 PM

It's pretty obvious the people no longer have a say in what goes on here.

Mydriasis · 06-14-2009, 11:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE

msicidron · 06-15-2009, 09:19 AM

"This is the day when Americans can begin to truly kick the habit, with the full force of our laws marshaled to protect consumers, and especially our young people," said Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.), a key sponsor of the House version of the bill.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT

that makes me want to light myself on fire.. to think that anyone might actually believe with their whole heart that some stricter regulation might GIVE PEOPLE THE ABILITY to quit smoking... but most likely the usual hollow politician speak.

Dr. Nick Nasty · 06-15-2009, 03:29 PM

Please note that Phillip Morris actually backed this thing---it's really a tobacco monopolization bill sold to us in the guise of public health...the State will never end tobacco's legality--its tax revenues serve too many useful purposes..from building stadiums for billionaires to cynically funding healthcare. This just weeded out the competition so the biggest of big tobacco could dominate the market. Fascism, all for the children.

seattle420lover · 06-15-2009, 03:38 PM

they are just making hay. this won't become law

dubtrice · 06-15-2009, 05:38 PM

i just figure if cigs get more expensive, ill be more likely to stop, or at least slow down

Maturin · 06-16-2009, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by seattle420lover

they are just making hay. this won't become law

Dude, do you pay attention to the news? Both houses of Congress have already passed it, and Obama will say he'll sign. It's a sure deal.

Here's one aspect of the law that I thought someone else might bring up. Concerning legalization, I think many would want the government to deal with mj much the same way it deals with tobacco. Now the new laws doesn't let the FDA eliminate nicotine from tobacco, but it does allow the possibility for it to limit how much nicotine there is.

The key question is: What if the government legalized marijuana but put a cap on how much THC there could be? Would people accept that trade off?

zerodown · 06-16-2009, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Maturin

Dude, do you pay attention to the news? Both houses of Congress have already passed it, and Obama will say he'll sign. It's a sure deal.

Here's one aspect of the law that I thought someone else might bring up. Concerning legalization, I think many would want the government to deal with mj much the same way it deals with tobacco. Now the new laws doesn't let the FDA eliminate nicotine from tobacco, but it does allow the possibility for it to limit how much nicotine there is.

The key question is: What if the government legalized marijuana but put a cap on how much THC there could be? Would people accept that trade off?

No, because the government will just put that cap at an extremely low level. The government doesn't have to control our lifes any more than they do, actually let me rephrase that, YOU PEOPLE don't need to control yourselves as much as you do, don't blame the government, they can only do what you allow them to do, blame yourselves for not standing up and demanding the government to stop fucking up, you pay their salaries your the boss, give your employee some orders...

al-Mu'akhkhir · 06-16-2009, 07:54 AM

pics of obama smoking?

Maturin · 06-16-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by al-Mu'akhkhir

pics of obama smoking?

Nothing I saw that wasn't obviously photoshopped, but this one was pretty funny:

verklingen · 06-16-2009, 10:48 AM

^ obv fake, niggas all about the chili cheese fritos

crookedhatinator45 · 06-16-2009, 10:50 AM

i wonder what teh Robb Kelly and his feets think about it

crookedhatinator45 · 06-16-2009, 11:44 AM

why'd our r.kelly get banned anyway? did he piss on illest or something?

badgoalie85 · 06-18-2009, 10:15 AM

Cigarettes killed my father...and raped my mother!

06-14-2009, 03:43 PM	#2 (permalink)
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badgoalie85 Spiraling Out Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NoVA Posts: 1,085 Thanks: 97 Thanked 454 Times in 288 Posts	while i think that there is an unnecessarily large anti-tobacco sentiment in congress as well as in the country, i'm not as outraged by this as i am by the current regulations we have concerning marijuana and some other drugs. i mean, there's a big difference in increasing taxes by a buck a pack on a drug and actually throwing people in jail for using a drug. __________________ Pursue happiness. To each his own.

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msicidron vibing Join Date: May 2007 Location: North America Posts: 959 Thanks: 229 Thanked 157 Times in 122 Posts	"This is the day when Americans can begin to truly kick the habit, with the full force of our laws marshaled to protect consumers, and especially our young people," said Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.), a key sponsor of the House version of the bill. HOLY FUCKING SHIT that makes me want to light myself on fire.. to think that anyone might actually believe with their whole heart that some stricter regulation might GIVE PEOPLE THE ABILITY to quit smoking... but most likely the usual hollow politician speak. __________________ \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|

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Dr. Nick Nasty Reactionary Radical Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York/New Jersey Metro Wasteland Posts: 1,049 Blog Entries: 5 Thanks: 653 Thanked 364 Times in 232 Posts	Please note that Phillip Morris actually backed this thing---it's really a tobacco monopolization bill sold to us in the guise of public health...the State will never end tobacco's legality--its tax revenues serve too many useful purposes..from building stadiums for billionaires to cynically funding healthcare. This just weeded out the competition so the biggest of big tobacco could dominate the market. Fascism, all for the children. __________________ "I do not wish any mass at all, but honest men only, lovely, sweet, accomplished women only."-Emma Goldman

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seattle420lover YaHookan Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: seattle Posts: 433 Thanks: 25 Thanked 49 Times in 41 Posts	they are just making hay. this won't become law __________________ "The highest realms of thought are impossible to reach without first attaining to an understanding of compassion" SOCRATES, 470-399 BC

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zerodown Mafutero Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PR Posts: 782 Thanks: 41 Thanked 169 Times in 131 Posts	You know, I do think that the government should have no say in what I put in my body, as long as I do it voluntarily, but people don't use tobacco voluntarily, they do it because its an addiction to the nicotine, they may have started out voluntarily, you know curiosity, just wanted to try it, but then they can't quit, even if they want to, and thats wrong, and if the government has to intervene with that then so be it if its for the good of the citizens, but as we all know, theres always something hidden with these bills and shit, so even if I would like the government to regulate tobacco I say fuck em cause they're probably gonna do it for profit instead of the people's health, if not they could have done so years ago...

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dubtrice Old School Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 408 Thanks: 87 Thanked 55 Times in 41 Posts	Wooo! Take down big tobacco! I really need to quit smoking!

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Mydriasis Do Not Resuscitate Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,293 Thanks: 840 Thanked 431 Times in 298 Posts	It's pretty obvious the people no longer have a say in what goes on here.

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dubtrice Old School Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 408 Thanks: 87 Thanked 55 Times in 41 Posts	i just figure if cigs get more expensive, ill be more likely to stop, or at least slow down

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al-Mu'akhkhir Vem Para Ficar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: in some pussy Posts: 3,203 Thanks: 500 Thanked 351 Times in 270 Posts	pics of obama smoking? __________________

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badgoalie85 Spiraling Out Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: NoVA Posts: 1,085 Thanks: 97 Thanked 454 Times in 288 Posts	Cigarettes killed my father...and raped my mother! __________________ Pursue happiness. To each his own.

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