Should We Worry about N Korea? - Page 8

zerodown · 06-25-2009, 03:59 PM

Nope, you can keep living in wonderland.

dubtrice · 06-25-2009, 04:27 PM

actually, I will address just one thing, not really from the topic at hand..

Arguing in a public forum is probably the best thing we can be doing right now, seeing as how most of us don't have the means to get these ideas out into the public eye. By doing it here, we are putting our thoughts out in the open at our convenience; you never know who might be influenced by these conversations. We all know Mr Clinton puffed a lil herb

wellfleation · 06-25-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by zerodown

Its amazing how a dialog can wander off into pointless arguments, you guys should just chill, you're not going to find the world's greatest solutions by arguing on a forum, that only keeps us separated and in constant conflict with each other. It happens in a forum and it happens around the world, this topic started about N. Korea being a threat to USA, all I was trying to inform you is that you shouldn't hate N.Korea just because the news anchor in your tv box claim they are evil murderers with nukes at hand, when in reality N.Korea is just one of few(like cuba) countries trying to get by without letting USA and his goons get a grip on them which is not something evil.

And their people are people like us it's their governments that's evil. Reasonable people already know this. Just look how cool the Iranian people are. They, as an example, are more like us than we realize.

wellfleation · 06-25-2009, 05:18 PM

Oh, and it is easier to kill people if you are able to label and then demonize the entire population. It makes killing seem less human that way. Call'em gooks or something.

Suliman · 06-25-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by zerodown

And lastly, you people have to grow out of the "the world hates us and wants to kill my children" phase, more commonly known as patriotism, patriotism is just a tool governments use to get their citizens to join the army for example, or to manipulate the masses into accepting war, like its happening with N.Korea, a lot of you are ready to pound on them for making a threat to your precious and powerful country when it is your country that is forcing them to do so, if you were backed into that corner you'd do the same, trust me.

Oh and one last thing, N.Koreans don't hate you, they hate your leaders for being pricks and so do you, patriotism is bullshit

i agree, this does seem like another stupid ass red scare. like Cuba, i doubt they'll ever turn out to be a realistic threat, and not because of any military incapacity. Our differences stem entirely from political differences, and we're once again being subjected to pointless media propaganda.

zerodown · 06-25-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wellfleation

Oh, and it is easier to kill people if you are able to label and then demonize the entire population. It makes killing seem less human that way. Call'em gooks or something.

Insurgents?

verklingen · 06-26-2009, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by zerodown

N.Korea is just one of few(like cuba) countries trying to get by without letting USA and his goons get a grip on them which is not something evil.

i don't think anyone here believes n korea/n koreans are evil. anyone who believes that shouldn't be taken seriously. i at least simply recognize that they are lead by someone who really has no business leading a people, and through a system that integrates very poorly with the new world we're growing into. n korea is just one place where the circumstantial/environmental pressure to integrate-- which affects all countries differently due to our unique degrees of resistance -- is being expressed in the extreme, or in other words where resistance is being stressed in the extreme. the people will come around as a matter of course, because the will to survive trumps all. evolution always wins.

al-Mu'akhkhir · 06-26-2009, 11:38 AM

^ yeah lol maybe america should start trying to fit into this new world we're growing into

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Originally Posted by badgoalie85

As a matter of fact it was the subject of my senior thesis when I graduated with a b.s. In math and econ and am fully qualified to tell you you have no idea what you're talking about.

Kim jong il wants his own people to think they can blow up the states and wants us to think that he's dangerous enough to retaliate if we try and fuck with his authoritarian government.

Now stop acting like you know what you're talking about your original point was valid but you're crazy if you think they have nukes capable of leveling the US.

mmhmm, you're fully qualified to tell me how game theory applies to social sciences, when you wrote a thesis on it for math/economy? please shut up, your prof would probably be facepalming himself if he were here right now you ignoramus.

verklingen · 06-26-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by al-Mu'akhkhir

^ yeah lol maybe america should start trying to fit into this new world we're growing into

well DUH! seems like we've got enough of our own problems doesn't it?

Dex · 06-27-2009, 06:21 AM

dubstyle

We have the manpower to do it, but do you really think you can have a soldier go to warzones for 3 years in a 5 year span and live a normal life after? If you are so intent on spreading Americanism around the world why the fuck haven't you enlisted yet? It's pretty fucking convient to have some poor joe stoplossed to go on his third tour to wreck his 2nd marraige and spend another year away from his 4 year old who he's only seen 1.5 years of. Apparently your too busy with your "oh so important" blackberry facebook shove a cup of starbucks latte in my face life.

cantSEEme · 06-27-2009, 07:17 AM

dubtrice is dubstyle?

ziplock · 06-27-2009, 11:55 AM

The moment you begin to argue N. Korea's ability to strike the US with a nuke you have epically failed to understand the situation. I dunno, maybe you all feel that the N. Korean administration is utterly fucking retarded, that'd explain things. I personally don't like assuming such things.

It's my guess that N Korea never has and never will, for the most part, plan to launch a nuke at the United States in some sort of grandiose suicide. The moment that's done N Korea will stand historically as the most quickly and absolutely obliterated state ever. South Korea would probably join them too as I'm sure they'd level South Korea before the US rained hell down on them.

Therefore, we can come to conclude that N Korea making any aggressive nuclear moves against the US is a piss poor strategy. The thing is, N Korea is being pressured in many ways to make many concessions. With their conventional military, they are pretty much forced to make said concessions. The moment they developed nuclear capabilities, the playing field is leveled. Not because they can launch a nuke at the US, that doesn't matter. It's leveled because if they are put in a position where they have to basically forfeit their current social system, they'll take South Korea to hell with them.

With this in mind, we can't just be "North Korea, bend over and take our imperial dick." We actually have to pause, think about things, perhaps prepare a condom. With the bulk of the modern world tied up in America's idiotic conquest of certain Middle Eastern countries, they know that they have a lot of breathing room right now. They can push the envelope, and that's what they're doing. They're attempting to take as much ground as possible given the opportunity they have so that when America and the rest of the world is in a position to actually bring the hammer down on the anvil of N Korea, that N Korea can tell them to go fuck themselves. IMO, they're doing a good job at that.

This is not war preparation, it is political positioning. Simple.

zerodown · 06-27-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ziplock

The moment you begin to argue N. Korea's ability to strike the US with a nuke you have epically failed to understand the situation. I dunno, maybe you all feel that the N. Korean administration is utterly fucking retarded, that'd explain things. I personally don't like assuming such things.

It's my guess that N Korea never has and never will, for the most part, plan to launch a nuke at the United States in some sort of grandiose suicide. The moment that's done N Korea will stand historically as the most quickly and absolutely obliterated state ever. South Korea would probably join them too as I'm sure they'd level South Korea before the US rained hell down on them.

Therefore, we can come to conclude that N Korea making any aggressive nuclear moves against the US is a piss poor strategy. The thing is, N Korea is being pressured in many ways to make many concessions. With their conventional military, they are pretty much forced to make said concessions. The moment they developed nuclear capabilities, the playing field is leveled. Not because they can launch a nuke at the US, that doesn't matter. It's leveled because if they are put in a position where they have to basically forfeit their current social system, they'll take South Korea to hell with them.

With this in mind, we can't just be "North Korea, bend over and take our imperial dick." We actually have to pause, think about things, perhaps prepare a condom. With the bulk of the modern world tied up in America's idiotic conquest of certain Middle Eastern countries, they know that they have a lot of breathing room right now. They can push the envelope, and that's what they're doing. They're attempting to take as much ground as possible given the opportunity they have so that when America and the rest of the world is in a position to actually bring the hammer down on the anvil of N Korea, that N Korea can tell them to go fuck themselves. IMO, they're doing a good job at that.

This is not war preparation, it is political positioning. Simple.

Wait a few hours and you'll see a response from dumbtrice telling you how wrong you are and how great america is haha...

But yeah thats pretty much how it goes...

al-Mu'akhkhir · 06-28-2009, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dex

dubstyle

We have the manpower to do it, but do you really think you can have a soldier go to warzones for 3 years in a 5 year span and live a normal life after? If you are so intent on spreading Americanism around the world why the fuck haven't you enlisted yet? It's pretty fucking convient to have some poor joe stoplossed to go on his third tour to wreck his 2nd marraige and spend another year away from his 4 year old who he's only seen 1.5 years of. Apparently your too busy with your "oh so important" blackberry facebook shove a cup of starbucks latte in my face life.

uh you have 1 million MORE people AVAILABLE for military service. 50/1000 people in North Korea are eligible for military service. It would be a whole nother vietnam and you stupid american soldiers would get slaughtered again.

and stfu dex nobody made you join the army.

dubtrice · 06-28-2009, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dex

why the fuck haven't you enlisted yet?

wrong

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Originally Posted by ziplock

This is not war preparation, it is political positioning.

right

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Originally Posted by zerodown

Wait a few hours and you'll see a response from dumbtrice telling you how wrong you are and how great america is haha...

wrong... (again

)

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Originally Posted by al-Mu'akhkhir

dex nobody made you join the army.

right

Douger · 06-28-2009, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dubtrice

North Korea isn't much of real a threat to the free world, .

When you say " free world" that no longer includes the US of M pyre. Correct ?

dubtrice · 06-28-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Douger

When you say " free world" that no longer includes the US of M pyre. Correct ?

when I said "free world" I was only using the terms in the op's question...

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Do you think North Korea is threat on the free world?

ProfessorMurder · 06-28-2009, 11:50 PM

I like how the militay is keeping us informed on them shadowing a North Korean ship.

Real stealth like.

Like a couple of weeks ago, the Isrealis were telling everyone they were about to go in and bomb Irans Nuclear facilities.

Why the hell would anyone give out war preparations,
If it were just bullshit scare tactics?

"Excuse me, were about to bomb you with our chivalry, duck!"

And did they attack the Nukes, No.

FineazPR · 07-14-2009, 08:11 AM

I don't know about ya'll but anything even remotely NUCLEAR WAR-like scares me.

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06-25-2009, 05:18 PM	#144 (permalink)
wellfleation Old School Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Methuen, MASSHOLE Posts: 3,854 Thanks: 196 Thanked 601 Times in 427 Posts	Oh, and it is easier to kill people if you are able to label and then demonize the entire population. It makes killing seem less human that way. Call'em gooks or something. __________________ FIGHTPOWER

06-27-2009, 07:17 AM	#151 (permalink)
cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,019 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	dubtrice is dubstyle? __________________

06-27-2009, 11:55 AM	#152 (permalink)
ziplock Dreamer of the dreams Join Date: May 2004 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,110 Thanks: 15 Thanked 91 Times in 71 Posts	The moment you begin to argue N. Korea's ability to strike the US with a nuke you have epically failed to understand the situation. I dunno, maybe you all feel that the N. Korean administration is utterly fucking retarded, that'd explain things. I personally don't like assuming such things. It's my guess that N Korea never has and never will, for the most part, plan to launch a nuke at the United States in some sort of grandiose suicide. The moment that's done N Korea will stand historically as the most quickly and absolutely obliterated state ever. South Korea would probably join them too as I'm sure they'd level South Korea before the US rained hell down on them. Therefore, we can come to conclude that N Korea making any aggressive nuclear moves against the US is a piss poor strategy. The thing is, N Korea is being pressured in many ways to make many concessions. With their conventional military, they are pretty much forced to make said concessions. The moment they developed nuclear capabilities, the playing field is leveled. Not because they can launch a nuke at the US, that doesn't matter. It's leveled because if they are put in a position where they have to basically forfeit their current social system, they'll take South Korea to hell with them. With this in mind, we can't just be "North Korea, bend over and take our imperial dick." We actually have to pause, think about things, perhaps prepare a condom. With the bulk of the modern world tied up in America's idiotic conquest of certain Middle Eastern countries, they know that they have a lot of breathing room right now. They can push the envelope, and that's what they're doing. They're attempting to take as much ground as possible given the opportunity they have so that when America and the rest of the world is in a position to actually bring the hammer down on the anvil of N Korea, that N Korea can tell them to go fuck themselves. IMO, they're doing a good job at that. This is not war preparation, it is political positioning. Simple. __________________ Insanity is the only sane reaction to an insane society.

06-28-2009, 11:50 PM	#158 (permalink)
ProfessorMurder Jackal Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rio Grande Valley, Texas Posts: 1,270 Thanks: 31 Thanked 125 Times in 99 Posts	I like how the militay is keeping us informed on them shadowing a North Korean ship. Real stealth like. Like a couple of weeks ago, the Isrealis were telling everyone they were about to go in and bomb Irans Nuclear facilities. Why the hell would anyone give out war preparations, If it were just bullshit scare tactics? "Excuse me, were about to bomb you with our chivalry, duck!" And did they attack the Nukes, No. __________________ "No contaban con mi astucia!"

06-25-2009, 03:59 PM	#141 (permalink)
zerodown Mafutero Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PR Posts: 782 Thanks: 41 Thanked 169 Times in 131 Posts	Nope, you can keep living in wonderland.

06-25-2009, 04:27 PM	#142 (permalink)
dubtrice Old School Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: USA Posts: 408 Thanks: 87 Thanked 55 Times in 41 Posts	actually, I will address just one thing, not really from the topic at hand.. Arguing in a public forum is probably the best thing we can be doing right now, seeing as how most of us don't have the means to get these ideas out into the public eye. By doing it here, we are putting our thoughts out in the open at our convenience; you never know who might be influenced by these conversations. We all know Mr Clinton puffed a lil herb

07-14-2009, 08:11 AM	#159 (permalink)
FineazPR YaHookan Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: A place I call MINE... Posts: 192 Thanks: 43 Thanked 18 Times in 15 Posts	I don't know about ya'll but anything even remotely NUCLEAR WAR-like scares me.

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