scottishbastard

Here's a video without the heavy bias you guys are complaining about:

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No matter what I ask of you
You think you hold the high hand
I've got my doubts
I come from Chino where the asphalt sprouts
.....

And even if I have to go to Claremont
Well I guess I'll just have to go to Claremont
Let me go
Let me lie low

Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
And you send your dark messengers to tempt me
I come from Chino so all your threats are empty

- the mountain goats

scottishbastard

Uh oh wait! It's fox news...It must be lies!

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Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
You think you hold the high hand
I've got my doubts
I come from Chino where the asphalt sprouts
.....

And even if I have to go to Claremont
Well I guess I'll just have to go to Claremont
Let me go
Let me lie low

Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
And you send your dark messengers to tempt me
I come from Chino so all your threats are empty

- the mountain goats

stoneric

I didn't know we were trying to adopt Canada's health care system.

Ego Tripping

Gah, exactly. Talk about a distraction!

Never a bad post from you, stoneric.

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lulz, nice stoneric.



and lol @ using Fox news, the ULTIMATE source of biased reporting.

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scottishbastard

Don't make me get back into the media thing. You should be well aware that stations like ABC and CNN are just as liberally biased. But once again, it doesn't seem like liberals ever get called biased in the news. They're just "telling the truth".

And no, we're not adopting their healthcare system, but we are adopting something very similar in structure. Call it a distraction if you want, but I think most people can see the relevance.

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Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
You think you hold the high hand
I've got my doubts
I come from Chino where the asphalt sprouts
.....

And even if I have to go to Claremont
Well I guess I'll just have to go to Claremont
Let me go
Let me lie low

Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
And you send your dark messengers to tempt me
I come from Chino so all your threats are empty

- the mountain goats

Being

I common knowledge Fox News is GOP, and ABC is more Dem.


CNN is much less biased though. Usually unbiased, but if it is biased its usually leans left.

Either way, on scale of being biased, Fox beats them all, and that cannot be denied.


And we haven't agreed on whats being adopted at all yet, so theres no reason to compare it to anyone else. It is a distraction, and a false/baseless one at that.

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scottishbastard

We don't know what will happen, but we know the general structure of the plans being proposed. I don't agree that Fox is any more biased to the right than ABC to the left. I just think people take conservative opinions a lot more harshly than liberal opinions. Every time a liberal newscaster suggests that the stimulus will "save our economy" or compliments a new "green" initiative he is being liberally biased. They're just more widely accepted, happy things to talk about so people don't get as bad of a taste in their mouth as, oh let's say accusations of socialism or criticisms on fetal stem cell research.

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Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
You think you hold the high hand
I've got my doubts
I come from Chino where the asphalt sprouts
.....

And even if I have to go to Claremont
Well I guess I'll just have to go to Claremont
Let me go
Let me lie low

Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
And you send your dark messengers to tempt me
I come from Chino so all your threats are empty

- the mountain goats

scottishbastard

On a side note, remember a month or two ago when all those actors like Edward Norton got together to promote that one hour where we all turn our lights off? I thought it was funny that Limbaugh purposely left all of his lights on. I hate the guy, but it made me chuckle.
It was also funny because there were people outside Al Gore's house that night to see if he turned his lights off, and of course he didn't. In fact quite the opposite.
I know this is off topic...but my statement on green initiatives made me remember this again haha.

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Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
You think you hold the high hand
I've got my doubts
I come from Chino where the asphalt sprouts
.....

And even if I have to go to Claremont
Well I guess I'll just have to go to Claremont
Let me go
Let me lie low

Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
And you send your dark messengers to tempt me
I come from Chino so all your threats are empty

- the mountain goats

Being

Well, first off,

is you being immesnsely biased, just because you would rather listen to Fox News.

Secondly, the bias of liberals is usually to try and help the country and fellow citizens. Conservatives don't give two shits about anyone else and are biased as such, so its so much more shitty for conservatives to be biased as it greatly effects everyone so much more negatively.


Oh yeah, promoting wasting electricity and power which further damages the earth is fuckin funny. Jesus, now its all starting to come together. Selfishness is apparantly the cool thing to do now?

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4nik8

Really?

Where is all this "help"?
Pelosi and Reid co-crafted the largest hoax in history...known as the spendulous package.

90% of it was pork and projects the Dem's have been crying for for 40 years.
The lone 10% that WAS for jobs is just now barely trickling out.
State's are cutting the "help" because there isn't the tax revenue to cover them.

That package worked so well, by the way, they are proposing ANOTHER spending package.
I guess they missed a few pork projects with the first one.

About this proposed health care fiasco.
Look no further than across the pond the the UK.
From the sounds of our LARGELY unexplained in detail health reform (makes you wonder why Obammy is incessantly on tv pushing for a deal that isn't even laid out yet. Smacks of the spendulous proposal that was passed and NEVER READ!!) it will mirror that plan.

Not a completely socialized system. A hybrid.
The sticky part is, for those that still want private insurance...no problem.
BUT... you're still going to pay the tax levied to fund the socialized health care.

Family that live in the UK bitch incessantly about it.
What was once a second to none system is on the verge of collapse.
They have what they call a "postal code lottery" If your area is losing more money than it takes in.... you get minimal to no health care.
The initial tax (based on your income by the way..and twice that for your employer) will steadily INCREASE.

You want a viable alternative to socialized medicine?
Replace the regulations that USED TO BE THERE.

It's the era of deregulation that has caused the problems we see everywhere. Not just in health care.

Incidentally, just how is making those that can afford heath care (via taxes) foot the bill supposed to fix the problem of run away costs?
IF..big if there...they can fix problem of the sky rocketing costs in THAT instance...why not just fix the problem and leave the damned system the way it is?

Yup. It wouldn't be socialized if then. That's the true problem with the system.

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scottishbastard

is you being immesnsely biased, just because you would rather listen to Fox News.

No. Actually I watch more liberal news than anything...That's why I knew that's what the ABC and CBS and NBC reporters were talking about. I prefer BBC and/or various talk radio stations and the internet.

Secondly, the bias of liberals is usually to try and help the country and fellow citizens. Conservatives don't give two shits about anyone else and are biased as such, so its so much more shitty for conservatives to be biased as it greatly effects everyone so much more negatively.

That's pretty silly. The liberals like to give out false or unverified information to make us feel comfortable with how things are going. Conservatives use scare tactics to point out true faults with the liberals. Neither of them are trying/doing a good job at trying to help the country or it's citizens.




[I]Oh yeah, promoting wasting electricity and power which further damages the earth is fuckin funny. Jesus, now its all starting to come together. Selfishness is apparantly the cool thing to do now?

I don't even want to get started on the research behind global warming right now. But if you're talking about pollution in general, I agree that's not exactly cool. But it's funny. It's also funny that the liberal elite think it's so cool to pretend they give a shit for an hour. And keep in mind Al Gore kept his lights on too!

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Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
You think you hold the high hand
I've got my doubts
I come from Chino where the asphalt sprouts
.....

And even if I have to go to Claremont
Well I guess I'll just have to go to Claremont
Let me go
Let me lie low

Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
And you send your dark messengers to tempt me
I come from Chino so all your threats are empty

- the mountain goats

stoneric

What's even more funny is someone camping out at al gore's house to see if he turned off his lights. Do they have cameras in his bathroom to see how many sheets of asswipe he uses? And who in the fuck here identifies with the "elite liberal"? Better yet, what in the fuck exactly is an elite liberal?

scottishbastard

The Liberal elite are liberals in high political places or of high social influence. This includes anyone from Al Gore to Alec Baldwin. Don't act stupid. I didn't make up this term.

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Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
You think you hold the high hand
I've got my doubts
I come from Chino where the asphalt sprouts
.....

And even if I have to go to Claremont
Well I guess I'll just have to go to Claremont
Let me go
Let me lie low

Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
And you send your dark messengers to tempt me
I come from Chino so all your threats are empty

- the mountain goats

stoneric

The term is used much more often than to describe our socially elite. I don't hear the term "the conservative elite" nearly as much, if ever. Or is the use of the term "conservative elite" a redundancy that doesn't need explanation?

Ego Tripping

Fantastic post, Terry.

Scottish / j-wonderwhyyourestilla roundhere,

PLEASE address this exact point or gtfo with your 'socialist' references.

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scottishbastard

Of course conservative elite is redundant. The liberals act as if they are just Mr Joe Public fighting for the little guy, when they're every bit as bad as conservatives.
And I gave Alec Baldwin and Al Gore as examples because they are famous.

And Terry, I never gave support to public schools or anything like that. The fact that public schools in many areas are sinkholes for taxdollars that don't really produce anything of importance is a pretty good argument against them. Do you have any idea how much we spend on schools in California? And have you seen our test scores? It's not exactly working.

People need to learn to become more self reliant. It's time to stop resting on the help of the almighty government if we're ever going to minimize the power it has to do evil. It's ability to go fight illegal wars comes directly from our level of reliance on it. The more power we give to them to do good, the more power they have to do bad.

And of course I'm not for ignoring a problem OR letting people die on the street. But if we completely try and reverse the idea of social darwinism, it becomes like a strange backwards form of Eugenics. Just let everyone live no matter how much of a crackhead, no matter if they have HIV. Just let them have kids and have their kids have kids. I don't support eugenics either. But this seems even worse.
I think problem number one is the amount we spend on things outside our country. How about we stop donating food to Somalia (constantly running into pirate ships) and redirect it towards the U.S.? Why don't we stop sending medical aid to Africa? Or stop building hospitals in remote countries? It's sad that they have problems, but our country is reverting to socialism to avoid pissing off (more) of our neighbors.
I'm not saying socialist programs don't have their place in economics. But there are so many other options.

Speaking of Somalia, they now have electricity all over their country, and in hospitals because of a private donor. We can't legally inforce being a good person. And taxing the wealthy because they had the ability/drive/luck to become wealthy IS class warfare in my humble opinion. In fact the only more extreme form of class warfare would be the Marxist takeovers of farms and other land during the revolution.

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Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
You think you hold the high hand
I've got my doubts
I come from Chino where the asphalt sprouts
.....

And even if I have to go to Claremont
Well I guess I'll just have to go to Claremont
Let me go
Let me lie low

Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
And you send your dark messengers to tempt me
I come from Chino so all your threats are empty

- the mountain goats

Ego Tripping

That wasn't really why he brought that up though. You singled out public schools, but what about the rest of the social programs we already have? How are we not already basically a socialist/democratic/capitalist hybrid system already?

What is it that Obama is proposing that is so different from what we already have?

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c'mon ego u know what hes proposing thats so different. its called taking the healthcare we all have known and loved (or those who had loved) and saying nope no more now the government will control it and decided if you deserve a procedure or a test or not.

thats prety different than it is now.

stoneric

You hang your hat on the fact that most americans are satisfied with their healthcare. It's like asking americans if they're satisfied with their auto insurance. I'm sure the majority would say yes and in the same breath say it is also one big fucking ripoff. I think most people would say the same about their healthcare insurance. Especially if you've actually had healthcare insurance for 25 years and watched the value of it deteriorate to what is basically now just catostrophic coverage.