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Old 07-31-2009, 01:55 PM   #21 (permalink)
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you have missed the point entirely. We still import liquor. We will continue to have foreign marijuana coming into this country even if it's legal, and there's a good chance a majority of that will come from Mexico.

the thing is, no one willingly smokes mexican weed. mexican weed is so shitty because its illegal, and you have to take certain precautions to smuggle it effectively.

its full of stems and seeds, and you have to smoke a fatty to get a half-decent high.

if there were centers that sold it from licensed dealers in the u.s., people would go there, not buy shitty mexican brick crap from shady assholes/dumb teenagers.
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i like it like that, stems and seeds are only natural.
the high is decent half the time, a third of that great &the rest is fantastic
mixed with coffee and tobacco

i only have to work w/ teenagers..i don't deal at all
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Old 07-31-2009, 02:20 PM   #23 (permalink)
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to each their own, i prefer sparkly buds that get you high when you smell them.
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Old 07-31-2009, 02:24 PM   #24 (permalink)
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have you ever met anyone over 45 who smokes? most old dudes smoke mids, to the point we call it 'old man weed'
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so would i

i appreciate the buzz is all, i'm not greedy by any stretch of the imagination
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kitch: i really fail to see how you believe the marijuana trade would remain a violent black market operation if it were legalized
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its just better because now north america is like a sandwhich where weed is legal north and south of us...and its already quasi legal in many parts of the meat itself- so pretty soon i predict the tide will finaly roll over and we can start spening all the millions we spend ruining our society by doing more daamge to pot smokers thru the legal system by far then the drug itself could possibly do for you on something more important like paying off our ridiculously high defecit.
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people still get killed over moonshine stills up in ME. No doubt taxes would be high if it ever did happen. I like the idealism, but it's not like legalization is a magic cure all. Most of the cartels run coke, meth, heroin and weed. I doubt legalization would apply to the three former, and doubt even more that the cartels would stop the latter.
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and when those cartels continue causing mayhem more drastic measures -- such as legalizing the other drugs you mentioned that help them run their business -- will need to be taken. sure it's incremental but it's progress nonetheless. the alternative is not only to continue allowing prohibition to enable violent crime, but also to outright ensure it continues escalating. i don't see that happening.
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have you ever met anyone over 45 who smokes? most old dudes smoke mids, to the point we call it 'old man weed'
Yeah. We old dudes smoke "mids". Fuck you. Get informed before you say ignorant shit.
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id imagine that would be reflective of ones geography.

where better buds are bountiful, older dudes and really, people of all ages will probably smoke those better buds. look at the pacific northwest for one example, i have no doubt older tokers are smoking on great shit.
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people still get killed over moonshine stills up in ME. No doubt taxes would be high if it ever did happen. I like the idealism, but it's not like legalization is a magic cure all. Most of the cartels run coke, meth, heroin and weed. I doubt legalization would apply to the three former, and doubt even more that the cartels would stop the latter.
very few in the grand scheme of things...
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its like SSD said, if people can get it, they'll get the awesome weed. depends on where you live for sure. old folks around here(such as my friends parents) don't have connections for dank shit.

christ stoneric... instead of gettin pissy why not let the youngster know whats up while bein glad you have access to great weed unlike some old folks.

and viva mexico

i'd like to look at the collapse of mexicos bs gov't as a good thing. folks in mexico can be stubborn and shit(they are catholics you know) but if all the rich mexicans were dealt with and land distributed to good folks. aw fuck screw it. all i know is mexico has possibility

also if mexico was changed, a good number of mexicans in the US would want to go back there.
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but i want them to stay, and come back with more goodys
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christ stoneric... instead of gettin pissy why not let the youngster know whats up while bein glad you have access to great weed unlike some old folks.
The dude is intelligent, I shouldn't have to let him know shit. You're talking the same drivel.
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but i want them to stay, and come back with more goodys
i'd imagine a lot of mexicans who would like to return are the ones who left their families for work. but i know for a fact theres some that live here and yet own land in mexico still.

haha man i don't see that schwag goin anywhere man. its cheap so there ya go.

^sure ok. just thought you should tone it down a knotch. and dude... the stash of my friends dad was nothin we really cared to smoke. what i said about mexico and its people is drivel of course though.
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tone what downa notch..i just think people should come and go as they please.

that's what makes america great
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^sure ok. just thought you should tone it down a knotch. and dude... the stash of my friends dad was nothin we really cared to smoke. what i said about mexico and its people is drivel of course though.
Then his dad had a shitty source. I can see where one would lose contacts as the years pass but the shipment that comes into any town usa isn't distributed by age. If I'm old and have a contact, I get good shit. Personally, I grow my own so I control quality. And I wasn't talking about what you said about Mexico as being drivel, only you assuming because your friends parents pot was bunk meant old people smoked bunk.
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its just better because now north america is like a sandwhich where weed is legal north and south of us...and its already quasi legal in many parts of the meat itself- so pretty soon i predict the tide will finaly roll over and we can start spening all the millions we spend ruining our society by doing more daamge to pot smokers thru the legal system by far then the drug itself could possibly do for you on something more important like paying off our ridiculously high defecit.
Seriously dude? I have to remind you that weed is illegal in Canada?
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Tactic: Cut Off local cops Supplemental Income;

This could be for a different purpose.

"Cleaning House" for the Police.

The Shake Down of normal innocent people
can't be done if you can't plant drugs on them.
Then ask you if you can pay a "fine".

This is very typical and should not be overlooked.

You think an American Police Officer is competing with Teachers for pay,
Imagine how much Mexican Police Officers are being paid.

It's called a "mordida", a bite.



Mordida, Bribes - Some Things in Mexico Seem To Never Change - Bribes - La Mordida in Mexico - Ensenada Retirement

"LA MORDIDA", translation "the bite" is the term used for a bribe in this
country. It is the traditional and customary way of getting things done. The
bureaucrat who does your bidding takes a bite out of the cost of completing
your objective.

Prior to President Salinas De Gortari, Mexican customs was a joke. Everybody
knew that if you wanted to bring contraband across the border it wasn't a
question of whether you could get away with it but how much of a bribe
would be necessary. I can remember how we applauded the new president
(Gortari) for his courage and cunning in attacking the customs department by
training 3000 new agents in secret and then replacing all of the "old guard" in
one day with his cadre of newly trained recruits; sporting new uniforms to
underscore what we thought was the beginning of a new day. Today, it is
back to business as usual at the border. It requires a little more discretion,
and perhaps a heftier payoff, but the result is the same: if you want to bring
something across the border without paying the normal duty it can be accomplished.

It should also be noted that the "great reformer" Gortari, along with his
brother Raul, turned out to be the biggest recipients of graft in the history of
Mexico. There is overwhelmingly evidence that Raul took huge payoffs from
drug cartels (80 million dollars in Swiss Accounts traced to drug moneys). No
one believes that Raul did this without the president's knowledge. Here again,
Mexicanos treat national injustice with fatalistic acceptance: Carlos Salinas
De Gortari lives in self imposed exile and protected by Mexico's historical
tradition of allowing former presidents to be left alone no matter how big the
rip off.

Privatization of the banks and other government entities was applauded by
free enterprise enthusiasts around the world during the Salinas regime. I was
also a big supporter of what we then called Salinastroica, comparing it to the
downfall of Communism. We now know that privatizing federal assets mostly
benefited the president's wealthy friends and associates who were awarded
the nation's treasures.

When I first began representing foreign investment clients in Mexico I
thought: "man what a convenient tool this mordida". I even included the cost
of payoffs in my fees, having prearranged the bite amount with corresponding
officials. When a new bureaucrat took over a permit agency I would invite
the new player to breakfast and strike a deal as to how much he would
receive from each of my transactions.

That is correct folks, I was a bribing machine and acted in a cavalier manner.
A friend of mine, who also thought this was a pretty cool way of doing
business, called it "Pay as you go public service". The rationale was that
government officials were paid so poorly and the tax rate so low that mordida
was a sensible and expedient way of equalizing the bureaucrats income.
It all
seemed very harmless and expeditious in contrast to the U.S. where we
often jump through ridiculous hoops, endure long delays and unreasonable
costs in order to obtain approval for a transaction.

I believed, when leaving the U.S., that there were too many restrictions in
my homeland, too many prohibitions in the name of the public good. The
saying I liked in my adopted country is: "In Mexico anything is possible". After
fifteen years of doing business in Mexico I no longer look at Mordida as
convenience. I now see it for what it really is: part and parcel to a greater
evil that robs Mexicanos and foreign investors of their basic human rights to
freedom and justice. I must admit to my good friend Michael Bircumshaw, the
editor of the formerly mentioned fine newspaper, that I was wrong. Regular
readers of Michael's jounal know he has always stood firmly against the
paying of Mordida. He has written and published numerous articles
condemning it.

There are more notable abuses of the law and authority that have made
international news: The 1998 assassination of 40 pro Zapatista indigenous in
Chiapas, mostly women and children. They were gunned down by a
paramilitary unit, supported by the town's mayor and leadership, who used
these goons to keep the Indians in line. Also in 1998, the state of Morelos'
citizens called for the resignation of the governor whose personally selected
police unit, formed to investigate kidnappings, were found to be the leaders
of the kidnapping ring. Morelos leads the nation in kidnappings with 360
victims in 1997.

In Chiapas, the Chamula Indians obligate their tribesmen to be members of
the ruling PRI party. Anyone in the tribe who prefers membership in a
different party or even criticizes the PRI is ostracized and driven from their
tribal lands. The PRI maintains this loyalty by providing the Chamulas with the
Coca Cola franchise for the region. Big time mordida.
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