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Old 08-04-2009, 07:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
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it seems like monsanto is suing them for either obtaining the seeds illegally or using them illegally, it's not that farmers who weren't growing gm had them interbreed and were sued by monsanto for simpy having plants with those genes.
ya i couldnt find an article about the specific incident. im pretty sure it was involving corn which is wind pollinated. ill keep looking, sorry to disappoint
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:52 PM   #22 (permalink)
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ya i couldnt find an article about the specific incident. im pretty sure it was involving corn which is wind pollinated. ill keep looking, sorry to disappoint
Monsanto Sues Soya Farmer for "Patent Infringement" from Cross Pollination - and Wins!

Found other articles, too, concerning corn.

Found and interesting article about Italian corn farmers frustrated by finding their non-GM corn was actually GM corn. Question about whether or not the corn was accidentally or intentionally altered.

There are also numerous Green Peace articles condemning the US for trying to force developing nations into taking GM crops.

Hope that helps.
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Old 08-04-2009, 08:41 PM   #23 (permalink)
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and i'm saying, if this law passes you shouldn't expect your ability to grow marijuana to be affected. sorry the point of your post is lost on me
You're right. If this law passes by itself, it won't affect marijuana cultivation. But if it passes, and then legalization of marijuana happens, I imagine it would affect the legality of growing in your backyard or whatever.
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except the law's got nothing to do with gardens, just a bunch of baseless hype with the aim of causing hysteria
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Okay well I don't know what we're talking about then. A few months ago I heard about a law they were trying to pass concerning growing food, and having to notify the government before you do it.
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Old 08-27-2009, 08:37 AM   #26 (permalink)
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kitch mentioned something i think is worth pondering.. copywrites are a problem
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These are the only GM crops that exist at the moment. The perentages correspond to the percent market share in the USA.

Soybeans Resistant to glyphosate or glufosinate herbicides Herbicide resistant gene taken from bacteria inserted into soybean 89% TBA


Corn, field Resistant to glyphosate or glufosinate herbicides, Insect resistance - using Bt proteins some previously used as pesticides in organic crop production.
Vitamin-enriched corn derived from South African white corn variety M37W has bright orange kernels, with 169x increase in beta carotene, 6x the vitamin C and 2x folate.[9]
New genes added/transferred into plant genome. 60% TBA


Cotton (cottonseed oil) Pest-resistant cotton B.t. crystal protein gene added/transferred into plant genome 83% TBA



Hawaiian Papaya Variety is resistant to the Papaya ringspot virus.[10] New gene added/transferred into plant genome +50% TBA


Tomatoes Variety in which the production of the enzyme polygalacturonase (PG) is suppressed, retarding fruit softening after harvesting.[11] A reverse copy (an antisense gene) of the gene responsible for the production of PG enzyme added into plant genome Taken off the market due to commercial failure. None


Potatoes Amflora variety produces starch composed almost exclusively of the amylopectin component of starch.[12] The gene for granule bound starch synthase (GBSS) (the key enzyme for the synthesis of amylose) was switched off by inserting antisense copy of the GBSS gene. Amflora will be produced solely under contract farming conditions and not made available on the general market. TBA


Rapeseed (Canola) Resistance to herbicides (glyphosate or glufosinate), High laurate canola[13] New genes added/transferred into plant genome 75% TBA


Sugar cane Resistance to certain pesticides, High-sucrose cane. New genes added/transferred into plant genome TBA TBA


Sugar beet Resistance to glyphosate, glufosinate herbicides New genes added/transferred into plant genome TBA TBA


Sweet corn Produces its own bioinsecticide (B.t. toxin) Gene from the bacterium Bacillus thuringiensis added to the plant. TBA TBAhelp


Rice Genetically modified to contain high amounts of Vitamin A (beta-carotene) "Golden rice" Three new genes implanted: two from daffodils and the third from a bacterium TBA TBA



It should be noted that "Genetic use restriction technology (GURT), colloquially known as terminator technology, is the name given to proposed methods for restricting the use of genetically modified plants by causing second generation seeds to be sterile. The technology was developed under a cooperative research and development agreement between the Agricultural Research Service of the USDA and Delta and Pine Land company in the 1990s, but it is not yet commercially available."


Edit: most of the pesticide stuff is specifically designed to be 'round-up resistant'. Monsanto owns round-up and sells the resistant seeds, but you're absolutely able to find unaltered seeds if you want them, it's just that the altered ones are much easier to grow and produce more food. I work on an organic farm, and I love it but honestly we need to look to the future. We HAVE to feed the world's ever growing population and there is no evidence that chemically and genetically altered plants aren't as good for you as organic food is, in many cases they're better.
Great post but figures are outdated. U.S. soybean is now +96%, Cottonseed is in the 90's, corn 86% and they are all becoming more of a force than less.

Historically, one of the reasons is that the seed companies (used to be seed companies - now they're primarily owned by the chemical companies) really took charge of the American farmer following the dust bowl. The government's efforts to solve one problem, as ALWAYS, promulgated untold negative and unforeseen consequences. This culminated during the Carter era with a huge acceleration of the small farm consolidations begun during the Depression (thanks in large part to FDR's bullshit deal). The fuel crisis and insane inflation that Carter oversaw were the last nails in a huge majority of family farms. The seed companies offered to finance next year's seed in order to "help out". This of course set in motion a cycle of dependency built upon borrowing against next year to live for today that has only worsened. Once the Monsanto's of the world took over with their irradiated and viral modified transgenic seeds it has just upped the ante and increased the pressure to force all farms to recognize that resistance is futile.

The chem/seed Borgs have government as their not so silent partner, working with the scam shams that are the EPA, FDA, Ag Dept., et al, they make it near impossible for the little guys to survive UNLESS they join the addicted. Of course once they have everybody hooked up to the PETRO/seed/chem I.V. (yes let us not forget the part that petroleum plays), they then have a limitless supply of means to manipulate prices, supplies and of course, purposeful scarcities to feed that ever profitable boom and bust cycle that feeds the avarice of Wall Street as well as the commodities markets. Tis truly a wicked web, made even more profoundly worrisome by the accelerating currency fail(s) and their inflationary impact on our next world currency... food. Don't forget, all of this Arab Spring shit, was principally because of food shortages created by inflation, which off course is the direct result of deficit spending, which is also directly tied to central planner epic fails and the rise of Fabian socialism. Ain't it cool the way we're all connected.

Last I heard, it was still illegal to grow fucking peanuts without a Federal Permit/License. That goes back to Fuck us D. Roosevelt as well. Funny Mr. Carter never thought to try repealing that rather arcane bit of idiocy, him bein' such a human rights advocate and all ('scuze me whilst I swallow my own vomit).

There's another thread rollin' on the Monsanto debacle but suffice it to say, their objective is to have five customers, each would be able to run their chemical spraying caravan on auto pilot starting somewhere in Iowa, and not have to make a turnabout til somewhere in Alberta. They sue people to force them to settle, or go broke trying to defend. De minimus, a response to interrogatories in one of their filings would probably be around a cool mil to answer a stack of NYC phone books worth of lawyer slime questions. Game over unless your name is Archer, Daniels or maybe Midland. Of course they are already in an unholy symbiosis with New World Order petroleum, so there's nothing for them to do but count money and keep paying for more government to help them crush any competition.
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