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Old 08-04-2009, 11:28 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Still think it's BS about Obammy being hell bent on socializing the country?

Soon private garden growers can be policed and warrant-less searches executed in private back yards. Search the gov't backed sites and they'll try to tell you it's all about making the major food industries more stream lined.

Dig a little deeper and you get to the truth. It's all about food control.



Understanding parts of the bill at times depends on smelling smoke as you read it. Here in the US, we still have only smoke ... an Ohio state ag department SWAT team raid on an organic coop, Pennsylvania ag department raids on horse and buggy Mennonites, California setting coliform levels so low fresh milk dairy farmers would need cows that produced pasteurized milk right out the udder, arrest and handcuffing of a single mother in front of her children for selling goat milk, the USDA paying its agents bonuses for foreclosing on farms, ...

But in the EU where 60% of the Polish farmers are now gone because of identical bills enacted into law there, and 60 UK farmers have committed suicide, there is fire.

And in Iraq, where they have been rendered helpless serfs by the theft of their country's seeds and criminalization of farmers' collection of their own seed, it is roaring.

And in India where 182,000 farmers have committed suicide since the WTO and IMF got hold of agriculture and our Big Ag firms went in there, and 8 million farmers have left the land, it is out of control.


Private seed banks to have un-tainted, non-genetically modified seeds? Illegal.

To follow how this will be done, you must understand that:

1. there is a small list inside the FDA called "sources of seed contamination"
2. in which they have now defined "seed" as food,
3. so seeds can be controlled under "food safety."

Those seeds (so far) include:

seeds eaten raw such as flax, poppy sesame, etc.;
sprouting seeds such as wheat, beans, alfalfa, most greens, etc.;
seeds pressed into oils such as corn, sunflower, canola, etc.;
seeds used as animal feed such as soy ....

That is most seeds. Seeds are essential to life and thus to freedom.

The "sources of seed contamination" include five little items:

agricultural water
manure (but NOT chemical pesticides or fertilizers)
harvesting, transporting and seed cleaning equipment
seed storage facilities

What you must realize is that seed cleaning equipment is THE single most critical piece of equipment for sustainable agriculture. It is how we save organic seed. It is the machinery used after plants "go to seed" to separate out (sort) the seeds from the plant material so the farmer can collect (harvest) and then save (put in storage) seed for the next year at little cost. With his own seed, the farmer stays free of patented, genetically engineered, corporately privatized seeds.

They never mention seeds but this is precisely how they will criminalize seed banking and all holding of seeds.
This is just ONE example of things to come.

I wish a buddy of mine,SB, was here to give the full account of the already established controls on farming in the UK. Little things like a farmers food market were outlawed.
He and I had an in depth discussion on the lunacy that was going on there, over a year ago. Everything he said about what to expect and how to see it coming (they were snookered too) is starting to happen.

I really have to see if I can't find that thread and re-post excerpts here.

Yeah. This is the change we need.........
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And when are those FEMA Internment camps coming?

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Jesus christ, calm down.
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This is exactly what I was saying about legalizing cannabis. With a law like this, it's not like it will be EASIER to grow your own.
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^ perhaps because the ability to do so is nowise affected either way?
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Uhh..I was saying that if we legalize pot, you shouldn't expect to be able to grow it.
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just like we're not allowed to grow tobacco if we wanted?
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Uhh..I was saying that if we legalize pot, you shouldn't expect to be able to grow it.
and i'm saying, if this law passes you shouldn't expect your ability to grow marijuana to be affected. sorry the point of your post is lost on me
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And when are those FEMA Internment camps coming?

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Jesus christ, calm down.
A lot of fluff and side stepping in that article. I especially enjoyed the last line:
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I’m no expert, so whatever you do, don’t take my word for it.
The game is simple - scare the public and then use "food safety" and "animal diseases" as the argument for systems that are onerous beyond human endurance.

Along with that, set regulations so high that simple farmers can't afford to legally separate and store seeds and ---poof--- you've just set in place the necessary means for corporate seed dispensaries. Genetically modified...of course.

Here's a little tid bit I found out first hand. Do you realize that the GM corn you plant is such that you can NOT plant the seeds you get from it? That's right. GM seeds render the grown corn so that it's seed will not grow. Guess where that leaves you for next falls crop. You guessed it. Right back to the dealers. Getting the picture now?


Without going into too much detail, unless you'd like to, I'd just reference the EU and the "standards" that have been implemented since the signing of a near mirror bill.
The instances of corporate designed "mandates" on smaller farmers concerning the "safety" of food while, at the same time, actively fighting legislation that would do the same to them.
The elimination of seed stocks in Iraq.
The legislation in the bill effectively doing the same here.

Take the time to actually look into the "standards" that food has to achieve in order to enter this country (under this new law). Sounds really good until you find out they can also get waivers that will suffice nicely.

Familiarize yourself with Codex Alimentarius.



Note the date Dec 31, 2009.


Instead of calming down, I think I'd like to educate the willing.
Keep your head buried if you choose to. You have that right.

Of course, our gov't would never consider manipulating food supply for any reason
Kissinger was right. Control the food and you control the population.

This is already longer than most people will read. So, with that, I'll just say:

Wake up, man.
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I knew about GM seeds long ago and their engineering not to produce offspring, that's why I buy only organic. And there's plenty of places to get organic seeds. They are not going to outlaw organic anything, considering it's one of the major movements right now, not to mention during a financial crisis. Get a grip. Just like Bush didn't take away everyone's civil rights and institute martial law, Obama is not going to take away everyone's veggies and create a communist food rationing program.

We actually need better food safety. This bill regulates and applies more to factory farms....it's just the paranoid bunch of people looking for sinister plan that extrapolated this into the government taking away organic farms and farmers markets. Exactly how would they do that, in the first place? Educating people doesn't really mean throwing cheap photoshopped pictures and youtube videos at people. Sure, that guy in the article I linked is no expert...and neither is anyone that you've brought to the table. My point? If you really want to educate, give both sides, otherwise you come off sounding like...well, just biased.

But whatever. Recent history is on the side that most of this paranoia is just that. The pic in your original post (talk about scaring the public) along with your signature tells me you're a bit extremist and full of fear and even if I tried to tell you it's being blown out of proportion, you'd just tell me to 'wake up' and stop being a 'sheeple.'
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And I'm not saying that the FDA isn't corrupt to the core. There's a ginourmous local and organic movement happening all over the country (search Transition Towns). I'm a part of it. But I'd like to see them try and actually enforce what you are actually saying they are trying to do. How did Bush put it? 'Bring it on.'

I'll be here waiting with bated breath.
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These are the only GM crops that exist at the moment. The perentages correspond to the percent market share in the USA.

Soybeans Resistant to glyphosate or glufosinate herbicides Herbicide resistant gene taken from bacteria inserted into soybean 89% TBA


Corn, field Resistant to glyphosate or glufosinate herbicides, Insect resistance - using Bt proteins some previously used as pesticides in organic crop production.
Vitamin-enriched corn derived from South African white corn variety M37W has bright orange kernels, with 169x increase in beta carotene, 6x the vitamin C and 2x folate.[9]
New genes added/transferred into plant genome. 60% TBA


Cotton (cottonseed oil) Pest-resistant cotton B.t. crystal protein gene added/transferred into plant genome 83% TBA



Hawaiian Papaya Variety is resistant to the Papaya ringspot virus.[10] New gene added/transferred into plant genome +50% TBA


Tomatoes Variety in which the production of the enzyme polygalacturonase (PG) is suppressed, retarding fruit softening after harvesting.[11] A reverse copy (an antisense gene) of the gene responsible for the production of PG enzyme added into plant genome Taken off the market due to commercial failure. None


Potatoes Amflora variety produces starch composed almost exclusively of the amylopectin component of starch.[12] The gene for granule bound starch synthase (GBSS) (the key enzyme for the synthesis of amylose) was switched off by inserting antisense copy of the GBSS gene. Amflora will be produced solely under contract farming conditions and not made available on the general market. TBA


Rapeseed (Canola) Resistance to herbicides (glyphosate or glufosinate), High laurate canola[13] New genes added/transferred into plant genome 75% TBA


Sugar cane Resistance to certain pesticides, High-sucrose cane. New genes added/transferred into plant genome TBA TBA


Sugar beet Resistance to glyphosate, glufosinate herbicides New genes added/transferred into plant genome TBA TBA


Sweet corn Produces its own bioinsecticide (B.t. toxin) Gene from the bacterium Bacillus thuringiensis added to the plant. TBA TBAhelp


Rice Genetically modified to contain high amounts of Vitamin A (beta-carotene) "Golden rice" Three new genes implanted: two from daffodils and the third from a bacterium TBA TBA



It should be noted that "Genetic use restriction technology (GURT), colloquially known as terminator technology, is the name given to proposed methods for restricting the use of genetically modified plants by causing second generation seeds to be sterile. The technology was developed under a cooperative research and development agreement between the Agricultural Research Service of the USDA and Delta and Pine Land company in the 1990s, but it is not yet commercially available."


Edit: most of the pesticide stuff is specifically designed to be 'round-up resistant'. Monsanto owns round-up and sells the resistant seeds, but you're absolutely able to find unaltered seeds if you want them, it's just that the altered ones are much easier to grow and produce more food. I work on an organic farm, and I love it but honestly we need to look to the future. We HAVE to feed the world's ever growing population and there is no evidence that chemically and genetically altered plants aren't as good for you as organic food is, in many cases they're better.
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Edit: most of the pesticide stuff is specifically designed to be 'round-up resistant'. Monsanto owns round-up and sells the resistant seeds, but you're absolutely able to find unaltered seeds if you want them, it's just that the altered ones are much easier to grow and produce more food. I work on an organic farm, and I love it but honestly we need to look to the future. We HAVE to feed the world's ever growing population and there is no evidence that chemically and genetically altered plants aren't as good for you as organic food is, in many cases they're better.
the only problem is that fields of non GM crops are starting to sprout GM plants. Ive heard of monsanto laying suits agaisnt farmers after their crops were tested and shown to contain "round up ready genes" despite having never planted the GM seeds. People are losing their whole farms because they are being sued for not having contracts with monsanto.

i think before GM crops go too far ecologists need to be consulted to figure out if the GM crops are invasive on non GM using farmland.
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Found one of the posts concerning fall out from the mirror bill passed in the UK. These are just some of the happenings from their "food safety" bill.




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We have lost countless 'local' foods. Those which are made/produced in villages or areas of the country.
Have to apologize here Nik....cannot remember exact names of items, but the list is not limited to:
Fruit - primarily apple - that does not meet the E(dis)U 'standards' - you can grow 'em, but you cannot sell 'em. If a farmer was to be silly enough to grow them commercially, the fines would put him out of business.
Cheeses, pickles, jams (conserves etc..)

Farmers are 'told' what they are 'allowed' to grow and when. This is enforced so drastically, that aerial surveillance is undertaken to make sure that certain crops are not, or are, being grown. The same 'spying' is used to make sure that arable land is NOT being used when the farmer has been TOLD not to grow. Unless I am mistaken, this is protectionism?

Additives in food. These are now re-classified as 'E numbers'.
We used to have all additives listed with their proper names, on the product labels, something that people, in general, got to know and understand. Now, the majority of additives are listed as E123 etc....Unless you have access to a comprehensive list of what these numbers are...you are screwed.
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got a link? as far as I know monsanto has only been sued themselves.
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Sure, that guy in the article I linked is no expert...and neither is anyone that you've brought to the table.
I'll get back to the rest of your post in a bit. Right now I want to focus on what you just said.

Your link was to a guy giving his opinion on what the bill COULD mean.

The link I gave, concerning manipulation of the food supply, was to what HAS HAPPENED.
It's not a "what if". It's not a "could have been".
It's about a program that, until recently, was classified.
It is ON GOING.


Perhaps, had you actually read it, you'd have known that.
It's lengthy, I understand.
But, it's well worth the while if you really want an insight as to how our government works.

The person who I linked to is inconsequential. The mere fact, and it is FACT, that a program of that nature exists should alarm you.

Google Henry Kissinger's 1974 Plan for Food Control Genocide.
There are a myriad of "experts" discussing it.
I just gave the first that was listed.
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ill get back to you kitch, i actually learned about it in my sociobiology class. let me see if i can find a link.

Monsantos statement

Farmers sued for growing roundup ready seeds
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it seems like monsanto is suing them for either obtaining the seeds illegally or using them illegally, it's not that farmers who weren't growing gm had them interbreed and were sued by monsanto for simpy having plants with those genes.
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but you're absolutely able to find unaltered seeds if you want them,
Just some food for thought.
I found this while looking for something else.

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By the way, the way Monsanto gets the farmers is that if the seeds show any GMO, it's considered copyright infringement.

If your neighbor happens to be using RR seeds, cross pollination can occur. You are now infringing on Monsanto.
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Some more on Monsanto and their suits.

One of my favorite quotes from the article:

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Monsanto didn't have what it needed to take its case to court-- a document stating that he knew better than to save the seeds. So, company agents forged his signature -- even misspelling his name in the process -- on a technology agreement. The agents later admitted to forging (long prior to the lawsuit) his and many other farmers' signatures, Osman says.
Monsanto Still Suing Nelsons, Other Growers
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And I'm not saying that the FDA isn't corrupt to the core. There's a ginourmous local and organic movement happening all over the country (search Transition Towns). I'm a part of it. But I'd like to see them try and actually enforce what you are actually saying they are trying to do. How did Bush put it? 'Bring it on.'

I'll be here waiting with bated breath.
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Order 81. Under this mandate, Iraq's commercial farmers must now buy "registered seeds." These are normally imported by Monsanto, Cargill and the World Wide Wheat Company. Unfortunately, these registered seeds are "terminator" seeds, meaning "sterile."
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First, it forces Iraq’s commercial farmers to use registered terminator seeds (the “protected variety”). Then it defines natural seeds as illegal (the “infringing variety”), in a classic Orwellian turn of language.

One would think that Iraqi farmers, now prospering under "freedom" and "democracy," would be able to plant the seeds of their choosing, but that choice, under little-known Order 81, would be illegal.



There's just one example.

Read that. With bated breath.
As you can see, our gov't would never stoop so low as to give the upper hand to conglomerates or outlaw natural seeds.

As you've seen earlier, our gov't wouldn't purposely manipulate food supplies, either.

Keep that head in the sand.
All this information is freely accessible on the web.

If you're looking for it.
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