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Old 08-05-2009, 05:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Power of Nightmares ~ NeoCons and Islamists

In the past our politicians offered us dreams of a better world. Now they promise to protect us from nightmares.

The most frightening of these is the threat of an international terror network. But just as the dreams were not true, neither are these nightmares.

This is a BBC Documentary documenting the rise to power of NeoCons and the "boogeymen" they created to do so.


The Power of Nightmares - Part I

Baby It’s Cold Outside”

Shows the formation of ideals, both NeoCon and Islamists, due to disillusionment in the state of being because of "liberal ideology"






The Power of Nightmares Part II

Part II: The Phantom Victory

The Power of Nightmares continues its assessment of whether the threat from a hidden and organised terrorist network is an illusion. Part two, the Phantom Victory looks at how two groups, radical Islamists and neo-conservatives with seemingly opposing ideologies came together to defeat a common enemy.

Among the many foreigners drawn to Afghanistan was a young, wealthy Saudi called Osama Bin Laden.








The Power of Nightmares - Part III

The Shadows In The Cave

The Power of Nightmares assesses whether the threat from a hidden and organised terrorist network is an illusion. In the concluding part of the series, the programme explains how the illusion was created and who benefits from it.
*The interview with Zawahiri is difficult to understand. I provided excerpts that I found.


INTERVIEWER (in Arabic, English subtitles): We haven’t had any information about your whereabouts for some time. Where were you?

AYMAN ZAWAHIRI: {?} I was just home and clubs.

INTERVIEWER: Not in Afghanistan? Somewhere else?

ZAWAHIRI: Everywhere, everywhere.

INTERVIEWER : Everywhere?

ZAWAHIRI: I am a Muslim. Being a Muslim, you are wanted everywhere. Because if you—just if you say no to the superpowers, this immediately in itself is a crime you are wanted for.

INTERVIEWER: {?} Yes, but isn’t what you do not to do with arms?

ZAWAHIRI: {?} It�s aggressive but ask Allah, and he is greater than superpower.
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Old 08-06-2009, 06:52 AM   #2 (permalink)
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well shit, if it's such a nightmare wake up already

WHEW GLAD THAT'S OVER! hey look, i have food, shelter, safety, friends, family, and all kinds of shit. i have the freedom to enjoy it; even on my own terms if i'm careful enough. it's a pretty sweet deal really, and it can only get better! people around the world are standing up against the oppression that denies them a similar quality of life. various nations are setting ambitious, competitive goals for renewable energy use. we're slowly waking up to the ills of our society, and finally moving to correct them. too little too late? i say better late than never! we push boundaries daily, and our capacity for developing new technology to "hack" reality and gain us new abilities (i.e. energy resources, communication, industry, architecture, basic physics/chemistry experimentation to develop new materials, etc) has proven remarkably resilient. nothing ever stood in the way of a little ingenuity and effort, and it really seems like we're starting to show the will to do something on a massive scale. sweet!

oh, or the world's going to end and i'll become some sort of slave in a neosocialist/fascist-terror state (even though "they've" been trying for it for CENTURIES, and if anything it seems to only be getting HARDER on them). yeah. . . maybe i should devote my mental faculties to that. . .
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Old 08-06-2009, 08:40 AM   #3 (permalink)
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well shit, if it's such a nightmare wake up already
That's funny..
this film was about nothing more than showing that Al queda is a farce.


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WHEW GLAD THAT'S OVER!

hey look, i have food, shelter, safety, friends, family, and all kinds of shit. i have the freedom to enjoy it; even on my own terms if i'm careful enough. it's a pretty sweet deal really, and it can only get better! people around the world are standing up against the oppression that denies them a similar quality of life. various nations are setting ambitious, competitive goals for renewable energy use. we're slowly waking up to the ills of our society, and finally moving to correct them. too little too late? i say better late than never! we push boundaries daily, and our capacity for developing new technology to "hack" reality and gain us new abilities (i.e. energy resources, communication, industry, architecture, basic physics/chemistry experimentation to develop new materials, etc) has proven remarkably resilient. nothing ever stood in the way of a little ingenuity and effort, and it really seems like we're starting to show the will to do something on a massive scale. sweet!

oh, or the world's going to end and i'll become some sort of slave in a neosocialist/fascist-terror state (even though "they've" been trying for it for CENTURIES, and if anything it seems to only be getting HARDER on them). yeah. . . maybe i should devote my mental faculties to that. . .
If you choose to go off on a tangent about your "freedoms"... see my next thread. http://www.yahooka.com/forum/politic...l#post51799031
I'm sure it'll make you feel much safer.

And as for "new technologies, NONE have proven to be either effective nor a replacement.
Even if we did come up with some miraculous new technology to replace oil, it would take, on average, 30 years to implement and suffice.

The fact that everything going on, under the guise of "terror", is nothing more than a power grab to gain control over what's left of the oil reserves should, at the very least, be more than obvious to you now.
IF, you weren't aware of that already.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:39 AM   #4 (permalink)
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That's funny..
this film was about nothing more than showing that Al queda is a farce.
i know man i've seen the film. the evil government is out to frighten us into submission with smoke and mirrors. it's a nightmare for sure, but much less powerful than the nightmare of having a government that is actually able to do it!

i told you to wake up because you told others to wake up when all you're doing is providing a nightmare of your own, and one which i do not feel has a shred of credibility. sure powerful people could WANT to do these things, but if you ask me the opportunity has passed and they're at a loss of what to do. the only support they have is crazed fear-mongering folk such as yourself who are hellbent on perceiving the world as a terrible place in control of terrible people, and that's worth a shitload more concern than neocons, socialists, fascists, bilderburgers, the illuminati or whatever the fuck. believe it or not you're playing into their game!

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I'm sure it'll make you feel much safer.
how is this any worse than what i've been hearing about the patriot act for years? remember how much civil disturbance that caused?. . . yeah

i'm supposed to be in a fema camp by now, what gives?

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And as for "new technologies, NONE have proven to be either effective nor a replacement.
Even if we did come up with some miraculous new technology to replace oil, it would take, on average, 30 years to implement and suffice.
it's not just about searching for and developing technology capable of exploiting new energy resources, we're also becoming a lot smarter about the resources we currently use. 30 years really isn't that long a time at all. . . quit being so short-sighted

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The fact that everything going on, under the guise of "terror", is nothing more than a power grab to gain control over what's left of the oil reserves should, at the very least, be more than obvious to you now.
IF, you weren't aware of that already.
you mean an attempt at a power grab. i see it failing
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i know man i've seen the film. the evil government is out to frighten us into submission with smoke and mirrors. it's a nightmare for sure, but much less powerful than the nightmare of having a government that is actually able to do it!
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i told you to wake up because you told others to wake up when all you're doing is providing a nightmare of your own, and one which i do not feel has a shred of credibility.
First you say that the sham (of Al Queda) is less scary than the government actually being able to frighten us into submission.... then claiming I'm "scaring" folks without a shred of evidence that the gov't is...scary.
Your circular logic is..well..dizzying.




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sure powerful people could WANT to do these things, but if you ask me the opportunity has passed and they're at a loss of what to do. the only support they have is crazed fear-mongering folk such as yourself who are hellbent on perceiving the world as a terrible place in control of terrible people, and that's worth a shitload more concern than neocons, socialists, fascists, bilderburgers, the illuminati or whatever the fuck. believe it or not you're playing into their game!
Tell me. Just exactly what is it you think is going on with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan?
You don't seriously think we're there for the betterment of those people. Or do you?


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how is this any worse than what i've been hearing about the patriot act for years?
How is this worse?
It's not about what's worse, it's about showing people who give a fuck what's going on.
Instead of living in perpetual fear that an organized terrorist unit is out to get us, people can begin to see what's really happening.
Of course, with your flippant attitude about being stripped of rights guaranteed by the Constitution, what's a lie on top of that. Right?



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i'm supposed to be in a fema camp by now, what gives?
Honestly couldn't tell you anything about FEMA camps.




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it's not just about searching for and developing technology capable of exploiting new energy resources, we're also becoming a lot smarter about the resources we currently use. 30 years really isn't that long a time at all. . . quit being so short-sighted
We are becoming smarter about using energy? Really? Is that why there are rolling black outs in some areas?
Why China is infusing billions into Iran to secure more oil?
Why we're war mongering to secure what oil reserves we can?
Why the one car that was legitimately battery powered (the EV1) and not a hybrid was pulled and crushed?
Why the NiMH battery has been shelved (by Big Oil that bought the rights to it) in favor of the shorter lived, shorter duration Lithium Ion battery?

Can you be any more clueless to what's going on?

And, on the short sighted part, have you never heard about peak oil?
You know, the part about not being able to pump as much oil as we used to be able to pump because supplies are dropping?
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Six major oil fields in Saudi Arabia, all discovered between 1940 and 1967, produce about 95% of Saudi oil. A single field, Ghawar, which is the worlds largest, was discovered in 1948 and produces up to 60% of the kingdoms total. The Saudis are now having to use intense water-injection techniques to improve production, a technique that can ultimately lead to catastrophic pressure failure.
Yeah...nothing like being short sighted, eh?


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you mean an attempt at a power grab. i see it failing
Where is that you live? Under a rock?
Last I heard, we've established control in both Iraq and Afghanistan, have all the 'Stans in our pockets including Pakistan.
Hell, through treaty, they can't even install a director of the IB (Pakistani version of our CIA) unless we approve the guy.

Of course none of this is about grabbing power.
It's really about human quality of life and supporting, through aid, the betterment of those that are less fortunate. Right?
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naked kush Indians are stuck on tha himilayas, al queda must be plannin to wreak stinky cheese majik on the west coast, remember, never eat the hambone?!?

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4nik8, its hard to make the truth sink in on people who are so misinformed and misled by the media that the truth sounds like a fairy tale.
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