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Old 08-12-2009, 11:04 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Old 08-13-2009, 04:48 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Sarcasm, Fornicate, look it up sometime
Yeah, I'm familiar with sarcasm.
It's usually a bit of cutting wit.
Never seen flip flop fall into that category though.


Anyway, my original challenge still stands.
Obammy is taking the reigns built by 43 and running with them.
Not only has he NOT affected any positive change - by rescinding any of the draconian policies enacted by Bush - he's going above and beyond.

Nationalizing industry is just one glaring example.
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you know what man, the simple fact that science is no longer cut off from government and is actually receiving pretty decent funding is enough for me to realize you're a narrow-minded moron.

and aside from that, obama has hardly been in office half a year and already his administration had wild success with its cash for clunkers program. in fact, it was too successful! help the slumping automotive industry, encourage the purchase of vehicles with high gas mileage, get high emissions vehicles off the road. . . it's fucking full of win! if proactive approaches such as this turn out to be the norm for our current administration, saying we have not moved on to something more fitting can only grow more ridiculous.
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does the lessening of a great recession mean nothing? to me thats the most important issue still, and so far, he has done great to reduce damage (although some will stil never admit that those stimulus packages and bailouts may have helped)
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but I do show—thanks to a lot of in-depth interviews with GOP sources—how they plotted to obstruct Obama before he even took office. I show how the stimulus was chock full of stuff they claimed to support until Jan. 20, 2009—not just things like health IT and the smart grid and energy efficiency and scientific research, but the very idea of Keynesian stimulus. Every presidential candidate in 2008 proposed a stimulus package, and Mitt Romney’s was the largest.
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you know what man, the simple fact that science is no longer cut off from government and is actually receiving pretty decent funding is enough for me to realize you're a narrow-minded moron.
For one thing, I think government spending on science perverts the results.
We had better science, and a more rapid advance of science, in the early part of the 20th century when there was no centralized government funding for science. Einstein discovered relativity on his own time, while he was employed as a patent clerk.

I find it very disturbing that part of the Danish Inquisition's case against Lomborg was written by John Holdren, Obama's new science advisor. Holdren has recently written that people like Lomborg are "dangerous." I think it is people like Holdren who are dangerous, because they are willing to use state power to silence their scientific opponents.

(The case of Bjorn Lomborg is illustrative. Lomborg is a tenured professor of mathematics in Denmark. Shortly after his book, "The Skeptical Environmentalist," was published by Cambridge University Press, Lomborg was charged and convicted (later reversed) of scientific fraud for being critical of the "consensus" view on Global Warming and other environmental questions. Had the conviction been upheld, Lomborg would have been fired ~ effectively "shutting him up".)

President Dwight D. Eisenhower, in his famous farewell address as president - the "industrial-military complex" speech - also warned of the intersection between science and government. This is what he said:

"Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite."


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and aside from that, obama has hardly been in office half a year and already his administration had wild success with its cash for clunkers program. in fact, it was too successful! help the slumping automotive industry, encourage the purchase of vehicles with high gas mileage, get high emissions vehicles off the road. . . it's fucking full of win! if proactive approaches such as this turn out to be the norm for our current administration, saying we have not moved on to something more fitting can only grow more ridiculous.

Sure, the program has stimulated car sales, but it’s pretty clear that all that it’s really done is give drivers the incentive to purchase a new car now, rather than purchasing it in the future. That’s not economic stimulation, it’s a time-shifted purchase, and, to the extent that the program has given people the incentive to purchase cars that they otherwise could not afford, it’s helping to create an auto sales/credit bubble not all that different from the real estate bubble that got us into our current mess. However long the CARS program lasts, it will, in the end, be merely a brief up-tick in an otherwise dismal auto-market.

On top of that, where do you think the money is going to come from?
You think there's just billions lying around not being used?
What's going to happen to the economy when Obama AGAIN proves he's a liar and implements the taxes he said he wasn't going to impose to cover all these fucking inane projects?

All that aside, including your amusing remark concerning my intellect, just exactly what does government trying to control science -or- spending tax money to fund the lifestyles of others have to do with laws that encroach on personal liberties?

You know, since that has been and still is the topic of this thread ~ in spite of your feeble attempts to derail it..
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