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Old 08-23-2009, 11:46 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Moore is at it again.
Another movie coming out that is supposed to unveil the horrors?

I don't really know what to expect from other than it's sure to be sensational.

In any event, sometimes bad publicity is still good publicity.

I wonder how many more mock-u-mentaries will come about because of this.

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Any one see Sicko?
Didn't watch it but was curious what the thoughts on it were and hopefully get some feed back on this movie when it comes out in October.
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I just hope the same shit doesn't happen to this film like they did in SiCKO. Its just sad how much big corporations can effect what people think so much by just discrediting things that may harm them.

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BILL MOYERS: You were also involved in the campaign by the industry to discredit Michael Moore and his film "Sicko" in 2007. In that film Moore went to several countries around the world, and reported that their health care system was better than our health care system, in particular, Canada and England. Take a look at this.
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WENDELL POTTER: I thought that he hit the nail on the head with his movie. But the industry, from the moment that the industry learned that Michael Moore was taking on the health care industry, it was really concerned.

BILL MOYERS: What were they afraid of?

WENDELL POTTER: They were afraid that people would believe Michael Moore.

BILL MOYERS: We obtained a copy of the game plan that was adopted by the industry's trade association, AHIP. And it spells out the industry strategies in gold letters. It says, "Highlight horror stories of government-run systems." What was that about?

[Note: You can download the documents by clicking here and here (PDFs)]

WENDELL POTTER: The industry has always tried to make Americans think that government-run systems are the worst thing that could possibly happen to them, that if you even consider that, you're heading down on the slippery slope towards socialism. So they have used scare tactics for years and years and years, to keep that from happening. If there were a broader program like our Medicare program, it could potentially reduce the profits of these big companies. So that is their biggest concern.

BILL MOYERS: And there was a political strategy. "Position Sicko as a threat to Democrats' larger agenda." What does that mean?

WENDELL POTTER: That means that part of the effort to discredit this film was to use lobbyists and their own staff to go onto Capitol Hill and say, "Look, you don't want to believe this movie. You don't want to talk about it. You don't want to endorse it. And if you do, we can make things tough for you."

BILL MOYERS: How?

WENDELL POTTER: By running ads, commercials in your home district when you're running for reelection, not contributing to your campaigns again, or contributing to your competitor.

BILL MOYERS: This is fascinating. You know, "Build awareness among centrist Democratic policy organizations--"

WENDELL POTTER: Right.

BILL MOYERS: "--including the Democratic Leadership Council."

WENDELL POTTER: Absolutely.

BILL MOYERS: Then it says, "Message to Democratic insiders. Embracing Moore is one-way ticket back to minority party status."

WENDELL POTTER: Yeah.

BILL MOYERS: Now, that's exactly what they did, didn't they? They--

WENDELL POTTER: Absolutely.

BILL MOYERS: --radicalized Moore, so that his message was discredited because the messenger was seen to be radical.

WENDELL POTTER: Absolutely. In memos that would go back within the industry — he was never, by the way, mentioned by name in any memos, because we didn't want to inadvertently write something that would wind up in his hands. So the memos would usually-- the subject line would be-- the emails would be, "Hollywood." And as we would do the media training, we would always have someone refer to him as Hollywood entertainer or Hollywood moviemaker Michael Moore.

BILL MOYERS: Why?

WENDELL POTTER: Well, just to-- Hollywood, I think people think that's entertainment, that's movie-making. That's not real documentary. They don't want you to think that it was a documentary that had some truth. They would want you to see this as just some fantasy that a Hollywood filmmaker had come up with. That's part of the strategy.

BILL MOYERS: So you would actually hear politicians mouth the talking points that had been circulated by the industry to discredit Michael Moore.

WENDELL POTTER: Absolutely.

BILL MOYERS: You'd hear ordinary people talking that. And politicians as well, right?

WENDELL POTTER: Absolutely.

BILL MOYERS: So your plan worked.

WENDELL POTTER: It worked beautifully.
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Not the issue, Terrance.. the method currently being proposed.
Please try and keep up.
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I dunno which side Micheal Moore is even taking(yes I watched the movie)? is he pro capitalism or against?
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The gap between what happens and how soon it's exposed is getting smaller and smaller. Can anyone else feel the crescendo? This is getting damn interesting.
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sicko is really full of minsinformation ,as is farenheigh 9/11.

it does present an intersting view tho.


the one problem i have with this kinda stuff is the same one that socrates had with teaching philosophy to young people, he said it tended to make them "ornery and irreverant".

its great that people think about what would be best, and debate it and such, i have no problem defending my ideas at the marketplace of ideas. and i like to hear disagreement.


but i worry that many immature people get lost in these debates and then dont know where they stand anymore.


its fine to note the shortfalls with our system, but it takes a nuanced and pretty sophisticated view of things to realize what about it merits changing and what about it is good and possibly not possible to best.


i have no problem changing things , as long as the change seems the likely to change things for the better and not destroy the things that got us to this point.
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I dunno which side Micheal Moore is even taking(yes I watched the movie)? is he pro capitalism or against?
No earthly idea.

I'm kind of looking forward to seeing this one though.
I'm not going in with hope and change in mind though.
I'm pretty sure it will follow along the lines of the other films he's made.
You know, facts distorted with sensationalism and misrepresentation.
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That's basically why I dislike Michael Moore, but he has is role as much as Limbaugh has for the right. But all in all, I think Moore is fighting the good fight.
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He's pretty intelligent in debate. But yeah his movies kind of irk me. He plays a lot on sensationalism and emotions. Which neither are to be included in any logical argument.

But I'll watch it when it comes out sure. But I won't pay for it lol.
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Question Uh, where do you get this??

[QUOTE=John F. Kerry;51805967]sicko is really full of minsinformation ,as is farenheigh 9/11.

Michael Moore showed the entire world that if Dubya was reelected he would give all the money to the Saudis right through the oil prices. Guess what. He was right. He is also the ONLY person I have seen that tried to get some type of healthcare for the 9/11 volunteers. When you look back to The Awful Truth shows he did, he did the same types of things. I found the mock funeral in front of Humama headquarters to be quite interesting. Not to mention taking the ones to the tobacco headquarters who had their voice boxes removed to sing Christmas Carols.

He has done many things of that nature for many years. I got a big kick out of the way he sent $12k to the person who bad mouths him so he could get medical care for his wife. I have watched a lot of his stuff. Granted, sometimes the editing doesn't allow the whole truth to be told, but he does things for American citizens that no one else will, including the government.

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of course there are going to be some things that make it more exciting more hollywood, etc. If he didn't barely anyone would see his movies,and he wouldn't reach as large of a demographic as he did.

Ill take some of the hollywood-ized parts so it will reach more americans to get thee base points out to more people and hopefully have a bigger impact.
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sicko is really full of minsinformation ,as is farenheigh 9/11.

Michael Moore showed the entire world that if Dubya was reelected he would give all the money to the Saudis right through the oil prices. Guess what. He was right. He is also the ONLY person I have seen that tried to get some type of healthcare for the 9/11 volunteers. When you look back to The Awful Truth shows he did, he did the same types of things. I found the mock funeral in front of Humama headquarters to be quite interesting. Not to mention taking the ones to the tobacco headquarters who had their voice boxes removed to sing Christmas Carols.

He has done many things of that nature for many years. I got a big kick out of the way he sent $12k to the person who bad mouths him so he could get medical care for his wife. I have watched a lot of his stuff. Granted, sometimes the editing doesn't allow the whole truth to be told, but he does things for American citizens that no one else will, including the government.

Your tax dollars at work.
i mean no offense dude but is it your intention to not be taken seriously?

i mean seriously,


why do u think 4nik8 had to remake your thread ? because no one even understood what you were talking about in the first one.

Bush helped out hte saudis by making oil prices higher- do u seriously believe that could possibly be true?

he decided to go to war in iraq to make oil more expensive so he could help out the saudis at the expense of his own repuation and presidency ?
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blech, this is getting retarded already, I'm leaving before a few people reduce this to full scale retardedness.
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i mean no offense dude but is it your intention to not be taken seriously?

i mean seriously,


why do u think 4nik8 had to remake your thread ? because no one even understood what you were talking about in the first one.

Bush helped out hte saudis by making oil prices higher- do u seriously believe that could possibly be true?

he decided to go to war in iraq to make oil more expensive so he could help out the saudis at the expense of his own repuation and presidency ?

Why do you think 9/11 happened during Dubya's first year in office?? He stole two elections. This was agenda. The presidency was temporary. As far as Dubya's reputation goes, he had the worst rating in history. His grandaddy Prescott Bush was still funding Hitler AFTER he declared war on the U.S. and his own son was fighting the Japanese in the Pacific theater. His daddy was completely involved with the C.I.A. importing illicit substances into the country. I am going to do a new thread about this. I just watched a documentary on it yesterday. Reagan was involved also.

Bottom line is WE DON"T NEED OIL!!!!!! Hemp could totally replace it and be far cleaner. But when you legislate your competiton out of business, then brainwash people against it, you can name your own price. Do the math. 4 million barrels per day in this country alone. Multiply that by $150 per barrel, then multiply that by four months. Why do you think that happened his last year in office?? Why do you think that many parts of the world are now suffering economically?? How much money did the Bush family make all the while getting even with Saddam for burning the oil wells in Kuwait?? If you are a billionaire, why should you care about reputation?? They fund both sides of the war.


These people lie on a daily basis to pad their own pockets. They could care less about any of their constituents. This site would not exist if things were the way they should be and our government was honest.
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Fuel rules fool. Doesn't matter what it is, it is necessary to survive. Oil has been sickening humans since its discovery and has influenced the government more than debates. Fossil fools emit sulfur, dioxides and many toxins without even debating carbon emissions and CO2 retention heating the atmosphere. Go suck on a tailpipe. Oil in Colombia and corner drilling Venezuela. Cheney's secret oil OPECker deals and you have the stupidity to think there is no connection?



Maybe you are as dumb as I thought you were pretending to be. I just haven't ever met an American who grew up here so quick to give up their rights and health care of their family and neighbors. Like I said, how do you sleep or hold down a meal knowing this, Like the drug worriers you terrorize people every day with your propaganda. The most frail and vulnerable citizens at that. Not knowing if some idiot robot drug thug is going to bust down their door. Or some idiot robot insurance geek is going to turn down their doctors recommendation. Let blue collar taxes pay for it. Same ones getting happy watching billboards go in left circles 200 times, Or torture bulls to make them harder to ride, then ride them. Condemn smoking pot slurping old milwaukee and marlboros. You know, the fascists faithful followers... Shitkickers.

Nixon's 40 Year War On Drugs... Drugs Won!

GOP Congressmen Urged Raid on MMJ Clubs



Teabagging each other like drunk lab rats in mazes and its all conveniently kept off the 6 o'clock talking heads memo's. Boosh raped the country and Pillaged the Treasury and now the infrastructure gets a D- and taxes are eaten 10 times faster because the uninsured have to go to the ER's. What do GOP prostitutes care? They have health insurance and free drugs from the Pill pusher prohibitionists. Rehabs and Pisstasters are what you stand for. Take your greed and shove it, Your one line red herrings and diversions are boring and killing babies. Chump.

AEC, DOE, NRC, Nuclear Murderers

Hemp "Eats" Chernobyl Waste by Elaine Charkowski



Come you masters of war. You that build all the guns. You that build the death planes. You that build the big bombs. You that hide behind walls. You that hide behind desks. I just want you to know. I can see through your masks. You that never done nothin'. But build to destroy You play with my world. Like it's your little toy. You put a gun in my hand. And you hide from my eyes. And you turn and run farther. When the fast bullets fly

Many Veterans are the Enemy of the D.E.A.th War

Like Judas of old. You lie and deceive. A world(drug) war can be won. You want me to believe. But I see through your eyes. And I see through your brain. Like I see through the water. That runs down my drain. You fasten the triggers. For the others to fire. Then you set back and watch. When the death count gets higher. You hide in your mansion. As young people's blood. Flows out of their bodies. And is buried in the mud.

300000 Iraq & Afghan Vets Suffer PTSD & Depression

You've thrown the worst fear. That can ever be hurled. Fear to bring children. Into the world. For threatening my baby. Unborn and unnamed. You ain't worth the blood. That runs in your veins. How much do I know. To talk out of turn. You might say that I'm young. You might say I'm unlearned. But there's one thing I know. Though I'm younger than you. Even Jesus would never. Forgive what you do.

Ganja 4 PTSD & Depression

Let me ask you one question. Is your money that good. Will it buy you forgiveness. Do you think that it could. I think you will find. When your death takes its toll. All the money you made. Will never buy back your soul. And I hope that you die. And your death'll come soon. I will follow your casket. In the pale afternoon. And I'll watch while you're lowered. Down to your deathbed. And I'll stand o'er your grave. 'Til I'm sure that you're dead... Dylan

Herbicides from Colombia Threaten Ecuadoreans

Wall street's Spontaneous Abortionists
Conservatudes have abortions/Liberals use condom
Conservatudes have abortions/Liberals use Hemp
Conservatudes War Abortions/Liberals Wage Peace


Pro Life? Not even anti abortionist



Older Americans Overwhelmingly Support Legalizing Medical Pot

13,086 views, my my... don't tell Karryon,
too many whines and scowls about less taxes for workers health care.
I'd hate to burst her bubble...
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