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Old 08-30-2009, 12:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.

They're not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft of S.773, which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.

The new version would allow the president to "declare a cybersecurity emergency" relating to "non-governmental" computer networks and do what's necessary to respond to the threat. Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for "cybersecurity professionals," and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.

"I think the redraft, while improved, remains troubling due to its vagueness," said Larry Clinton, president of the Internet Security Alliance, which counts representatives of Verizon, Verisign, Nortel, and Carnegie Mellon University on its board. "It is unclear what authority Sen. Rockefeller thinks is necessary over the private sector. Unless this is clarified, we cannot properly analyze, let alone support the bill."

Representatives of other large Internet and telecommunications companies expressed concerns about the bill in a teleconference with Rockefeller's aides this week, but were not immediately available for interviews on Thursday.

A spokesman for Rockefeller also declined to comment on the record Thursday, saying that many people were unavailable because of the summer recess. A Senate source familiar with the bill compared the president's power to take control of portions of the Internet to what President Bush did when grounding all aircraft on Sept. 11, 2001. The source said that one primary concern was the electrical grid, and what would happen if it were attacked from a broadband connection.

When Rockefeller, the chairman of the Senate Commerce committee, and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) introduced the original bill in April, they claimed it was vital to protect national cybersecurity. "We must protect our critical infrastructure at all costs--from our water to our electricity, to banking, traffic lights and electronic health records," Rockefeller said.

The Rockefeller proposal plays out against a broader concern in Washington, D.C., about the government's role in cybersecurity. In May, President Obama acknowledged that the government is "not as prepared" as it should be to respond to disruptions and announced that a new cybersecurity coordinator position would be created inside the White House staff. Three months later, that post remains empty, one top cybersecurity aide has quit, and some wags have begun to wonder why a government that receives failing marks on cybersecurity should be trusted to instruct the private sector what to do.

Rockefeller's revised legislation seeks to reshuffle the way the federal government addresses the topic. It requires a "cybersecurity workforce plan" from every federal agency, a "dashboard" pilot project, measurements of hiring effectiveness, and the implementation of a "comprehensive national cybersecurity strategy" in six months--even though its mandatory legal review will take a year to complete.

The privacy implications of sweeping changes implemented before the legal review is finished worry Lee Tien, a senior staff attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation in San Francisco. "As soon as you're saying that the federal government is going to be exercising this kind of power over private networks, it's going to be a really big issue," he says.

Probably the most controversial language begins in Section 201, which permits the president to "direct the national response to the cyber threat" if necessary for "the national defense and security." The White House is supposed to engage in "periodic mapping" of private networks deemed to be critical, and those companies "shall share" requested information with the federal government. ("Cyber" is defined as anything having to do with the Internet, telecommunications, computers, or computer networks.)

"The language has changed but it doesn't contain any real additional limits," EFF's Tien says. "It simply switches the more direct and obvious language they had originally to the more ambiguous (version)...The designation of what is a critical infrastructure system or network as far as I can tell has no specific process. There's no provision for any administrative process or review. That's where the problems seem to start. And then you have the amorphous powers that go along with it."

Translation: If your company is deemed "critical," a new set of regulations kick in involving who you can hire, what information you must disclose, and when the government would exercise control over your computers or network.

The Internet Security Alliance's Clinton adds that his group is "supportive of increased federal involvement to enhance cyber security, but we believe that the wrong approach, as embodied in this bill as introduced, will be counterproductive both from an national economic and national secuity perspective."
Bill would give president emergency control of Internet | Politics and Law - CNET News

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The Phantom Soapbox: Democrats move on the Internet.

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This is a pretty thinly veiled attempt at taking control of the internets... Seriously, cyber security? Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb!
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Old 08-30-2009, 07:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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So they want to shut down the internet in an emergency? What, people will riot through the internet? I honestly think things are getting way out of hand in the US(or in the world in general seeing as this is nothing new in places like china).

If the masses don't stand up to this, I don't know what will motivate them, the internet is becoming a threat to the system because of the flow of real information, their bullshit does not fly around here and their reaction is:

"well ok we can't control what kind of information gets shared, but we can shut you down at the click of a button, that ok with you?"

The day I get home and I have no internet because the government shut it down I will walk outside with a 2x4 in hand. How much more of our lives will we allow a corrupt government to take over?
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Why wait till then? I call bullshit.

This sounds like the same shit they said when the passed the Patriot Act. I'm over fearing these things, it's obvious that they never come to pass. So many people just scared for what's 'right around the corner.'
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there are already sites out there ending in .gov that by just navigating onto the site, they can take control of your computer...
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Why wait till then? I call bullshit.

This sounds like the same shit they said when the passed the Patriot Act. I'm over fearing these things, it's obvious that they never come to pass. So many people just scared for what's 'right around the corner.'
... you think the patriot act never got used?
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im not sure what they are defining as times of crisis, but it seems like this is geared toward the increasing amount of cyber attacks on us security, many of which are coming from hackers in china.

i dont really like the idea of not being able to use the internet in a time of crisis
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Define "Cybersecurity emergency". What constitutes a cybersecurity emergency? Can anything be a cybersecurity emergency? A cybersecurity emergency can be anything they claim to be?

I think this is just a bypass, they can't stop the sharing of information, but now they could just unplug you.

Think about this, all these sites that show videos and music and shit, why fight them on court over piracy charges when we can just, unplug their computers. You're out. Not just you, by the way, it says they can shut down an entire "private sector" so they will make sure you don't go to your neighbors either.

Call me a fear monger, but I see shackles. Think about it, you can be here today and tomorrow, you're out. Because its a cybersecurity emergency.
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... you think the patriot act never got used?
I know it was...but not anywhere near the level it was dramatized to be. Not saying it was even a legit piece of legislation...I'm just not scared about it.
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The scary part was ONLY one senator voted against it.

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Eh, if the shit ever hit the fan, the people have the power. We know it, they know it...they just don't want to let up that they know it. Power grabs don't ever have permanence....nothin g does.
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unless I'm reading it wrong, how is this any different than martial law in cyberspace? I agree "crisis" needs to be defined, but if our entire infrastructure was being attacked, I don't see the problem here?

I'm never in favor of government powergrabs, but this just seems like an attempt to have the power to clamp down national internet security during a massive cyber attack to keep business going...

or is this the Megat0n mark of the beast coming for your children patriot act v.2?
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Another case of the government using scare tactics to take away the few liberties we have left. "People are dying, give us youre guns. People are bombing us, give us you're privacy. People are spreading bad information, give us your internet. The sky is falling, give us the remaining portion of your soul and ten bucks".
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