flappy

Why is "Swiftboat" Kerry so worried about Ahmadinejad? He's never said why.
This "shiny puppy" thing is very cryptic. Possibly Masonic.

verklingen

i'm not trying to change your opinion, i'm just relating what i see occurring and i welcome the chance your posts provide me with to do so.

it's undeniable that their control is falling apart and creating new problems for them. i see two options for them:

1. they could continue seeking to maintain their control. given that recent ventures in this regard have dealt them abject failure, i do not at all see how this pursuit could be considered feasible by any person or agency who was clever enough to get themselves into such positions of power in the first place. they are losing ground and every effort at rectification is proving to be a patch that leaves tears elsewhere.

2. they could fold somewhat, and simply accept that the world is progressing into an integrated unit wherein the activities of each part benefit other parts as well as the collective as a whole. they will no longer have the domination they once had but will at least be afforded the comforts of life in modern society from not having driven it into the ground.

if you see another option please open my eyes to it. if you see them succeeding in their devices please show me evidence that any endeavor of theirs is yielding even the tiniest success. the one example i come up with is the somewhat successful media campaign to instill fear over swine flu (after the failed attempts [some still ongoing] at ramping up fear over sars, avian flu, and war/conflict with iran/n. korea/russia, mind you) , but that's hardly on par with their past machinations. these people are a dying breed and their ways are simply inconsistent with the world that developed alongside their agendas. if they keep it up they will have turned into the stupid dog who chases his own tail. . . and never catches it

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flappy

"given that recent ventures in this regard have dealt them abject failure, "

I don't see the failure, only successes,albeit over the dead bodies of tens of millions. They created the currency we use, they created the media (not the free internet) we watch and read, they set the price of gold daily in London, license the schools we attend, etc.

I do believe spiritually we are in a golden age, a renaissance if you will. Like the throes of birth, there will be much suffering. What comes after the government concept we've become accustomed to? Who can speculate. I'm comfortable now and so are you. I realise you have more to worry about than I, since you have small children.
Things are moving fast enough now so we can watch the fall of our empire in our lifetime.
There are now 297 million results when you type in New World Order on Google. We will experience that dream first, before that other dream, which you have talked about, comes true.

stoneric

So are you worried that Iran will attack someone with their nukes when and if they have them? Or are you worried about mother israel losing absolute power in the region? Again, Iran hasn't attacked anyone for 200 years and presently has no nukes. israel has 200 and has no problem attacking its neighbors or outdoor prisons like Gaza. Obama talked about how Iran must obey laws that all nations follow and must be held accountable to international law yet we nor israel do either. Let me know when the hypocrisy ends and I'll join you in your outrage about Iran.

Makros_01

this is allre ally moot in my humble opinion.
this concept is based around the irrational fear that if the USA is not the top dog, then we're going to the dogs..
well wake up jfk..
this is how the rest of the world feels watching the shambolic efforts of 8 years of complete social failure (thank you bush).
admit it, or not, but the 'will of the people' in electing bush the second time. was the final straw for a lot of the world. We no longer saw responsible educated affluent leaders of the world flexing their desires. we saw a flawed and malliable populous used to endanger the very things we thought you stood for.
and now its over.
now we want change, and you dont get to be in charge anymore.
the world gave you trust during the cold war, and now, just as it gave it based on evidence, it is taking it away.
et over it buddy. we are ALL going to be better off.

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Makros_01

"Iran hasn't attacked anyone for 200 years and presently has no nukes."

umm...the 1979 revolution.. it attacked itself!
the 1979-1989 Iran-Iraq war?

but i dont believe this 'secret second site'. its no secret. its in qom (its been being built since like 2006). we know about it. i believe irans rhetoric is on the money here. media sensationalism designed to get an upper hand in up-coming talks.

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stoneric

Iraq attacked Iran with our toys and our blessing.

Makros_01

you are correct. however iran were particularly agressive in attacking iraq even after securing its borders in 1982.

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flappy

anti-semite anti-semite anti-semite anti-semite anti-semite anti-semite

We'll not have that kind of talk.

What a great system . . . it's been shutting us up for over 60 years.
(At least it's better than Germany, where you'll get arrested for drawing a swastika.)

Makros_01

3 billion a year the US pumps into israel.. the largest air contribution on the planet.. and not even for a hungry people. fuck!

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flappy

But that's what they tell us. (Now I have to go back to remembering the Holocaust, I haven't been thinking about it for over an hour.)

John F. Kerry

so i was reading a charles krauthamer article today and i just had to post it here because look at what he said about obama at the Un- i didnt hear this shit ! did you???

i knew the revelation of the Qom nuclear site was mishandled but i didnt realize how it might have happened?

"When France chides you for appeasement, you know you're scraping bottom. "

RealClearPolitics - Obama's French Lesson



obama was AT THE UN WITH THE DOSSIER IN HAND READY TO EXPOSE IRAN AS A BUNCH OF LYING BASTARDS . but what happaned? HE PULLED A JACQE CHIRAC AND KEPT THE PROOF QUIET SO AS TO PROMOTE "THE IMAGE OF SUCESS AT OBAMAS FIRST UN MEETING" - intead of getting all the world leaders together and showing them the proof of irans bad intentions, he wanted to have a peace and happy pow wow with world leaders for the cameras- and so he sat there with the proof in his pocket-

anyway, read the krauthamer article, and tell me if you feel better or worse about this strategy and its prospects for suceess now that u know how it acutally went down.


Sarkozy chiding AMERICA for pacifism- MAYBE WE SHOULD WAKE THE F UP AND REALIZE THAT NOT EVEN EUROPE IS TAKING THIS SO HANDS OFF AND CARELESSLY AS OUR PRESIDENT DOES!!!

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Prophet Saddam

Can I start calling them French Fries again?

flappy

Isn't Charles Krauthamer the cripple on PBS? I don't know if we can beleve him.

Iran lies ? I'm glad we don't.

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stoneric

krauthummer is war mongering chickenhawk. Why do any of the cheerleaders of our past stupidity have a right to voice their opinions on anything. They are always wrong.

John F. Kerry

i like to hear these types of opinions because frankly they teach me just as much as ones that would agree with me about the people who are doing the disagreeing.

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Prophet Saddam

Wasn't j-wonder banned?

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flappy

CIA instituted the Shah in the 1950's, along with the legendary SAVAK secret police. Even the Mullahs were a better option.
We instituted, then paid Saddam Hussein to fuck with Iran and the 10 year war.

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John F. Kerry

obviously u were talking about charles krauthamer , not me , right stoneric?

attention whore saddam is pissed i have him on ignore and cant be drawn into his bs anymore. o yea thats why i havent seen him around here in a few weeks.

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stoneric

Yes, I was talking about krauthummer but you hold his views so.....