flappy

I heard Cindy on that day when she called Jones. She might have to be tazered.
Seriously, she commented " is this what my son died for. . ."

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Makros_01

or this one..
this is real manly!

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supermarket :)

theres no point arguing with this guy.

No matter what, he thinks he'd be better off living without a government.

I used to think that too buddy - dont worry, your balls will drop and your mind will grow. Youll see things differently in a few years

zerodown

Yeah you are right, there is no point arguing when there is clear evidence.

FOCUS. We're not talking about abolishing government, we're talking about abolishing police brutality and their role in taking away our rights. Have you even read the constitution? Do you know what that piece of paper is and means?

We can have government if you are so dependent on it that you couldn't possibly imagine living without it, just not a government like this that abuses its own people and steals from them and all the bullshit that goes on and then claims it for their own good and pretends nothing happened like with 9/11. WTF AMERICA?

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Ego Tripping

Well, now first off, I don't think anybody here is a 'nut' (maybe Flappy). I really respect Kamee and his activism and level headedness. What I don't have tolerance for is pure negativity, like zerdown's broken record of "wake up america", which doesn't contribute a dinglesberry's worth to the conversation or our progress.

It's clear that there is darkness at work here and has been for a long time. I believe everything Kamee posted about government involvement with "false flag" operations since the dawn of recorded history. For me, I'm on the same page with that perspective. Conspiracies are a slippery slope, though. If you believe one, you need to take them all into account. And there's really no stopping point with it all.

The idea of 'nothing new under the sun' is actually proven by Kamee's quick summary of our history above. Supermarket is right; there is no need to be alarmed. This is not the end of America nor is the end of mankind, civilization, the world a we know, etc.. What this is the end of, is the ability for government's to perform these operations without being caught. What's ending is our ignorance or perhaps innocence to this information. What is ending is our misinformation.

The reason I don't get intimidated, upset or outraged at what is happening is because not only do I realize it's just the 'same ol', same ol', but I feel there is a global cleansing of this dark power, facilitated by our new-found ability to share information globally and instantaneously. There is no 'big brother', we are big brother. We can now expose them at every corner they turn. It's a beautiful thing. I think evidence of the Bush Memos being released are the heaviest piece of evidence to support this theory. Technically, Bush had everything place to effectively take over all branches of government, institute martial law, raid peoples homes and detain anybody with no cause for an indefinate amount of time. If there was ever going to be a police state, it would have happened then, when everything was ripe for the taking. Yet, it didn't happen. Why? I feel because it wasn't allowed to by the people. We knew (and know) too much now. Their plans are just plans and they are not coming to fruition because they are being foiled by our constant awareness of what is happening at every moment.

So really, anybody who is a perpetrator of that information, whether it's Alex Jones, Kamee, CNN or Jon Stewart...they are all blessed pieces to this puzzle as we all are. There's nothing wrong with believing in conspiracy theories...just don't get depressed or pessimistic, because if you really feel this is "the end", you're highly arrogant to think that your generation is the one that will end anything. No, be happy and exuberant instead...the world going through a process of self actualization. We are finally catching up to the lesson that history has been trying to teach us and we're doing it through this miraculous and rapidly evolving invention called 'communication.'

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verklingen

wow this thread sure has had a lot of posting without much progress. . . even though j wonder is nowhere to be seen! uncanny

people are mixing up their perceptions on this issue imo. the crowd-controlling actions taken by law enforcement are being treated as a symptom of our corrupt government's march toward total control over every aspect of our lives. it's very easy to make such a shocking accusation and post up videos of someone being arrested or gassed to drive the point home, but that's at best ignorant if not disingenuous, and at worst willfully deceptive. it's sensationalism that does no one any good at trying to figure out the truth of what's actually going on.

so what's going on? it's obvious that there is oppression, but oppression of what? that's the question and that's where one's opinion on other perceived government oppressions can muddy the waters. so what is it; is peoples' right to speak and be heard being oppressed, or is it oppression of unlawful expression -- to the point where other peoples' lives are unnecessarily infringed upon -- of that right? i maintain that we will not know until protests are carried out in a self-dignifying way rather than a self-aggrandizing way, but as long as there is a clear path for lawful protest with abundant avenues to get the message out and be heard i will have to assume that the problem is not with the law, but with the protesters; that it is oppression of an uncivil method rather than oppression of civil rights.

you can talk until your blue in the face about this or that government conspiracy but it won't change the fact that we ample opportunity to express our civil rights without infringing on the rights of others, and that therefor we are absolutely empowered to get whatever message out which we feel is important without inciting displays such as this which, if anything, take away from our intended message. still think protesters don't incite anything? i'll have to respectfully disagree and continue enjoying my life with all the freedoms you say i'm losing. i'll make up for it by lauding the better stories you have to tell when we meet up at the fema camps

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flappy

You'll get all the government you want, and much more in a few years. And yes, it will make your mind grow.

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zerodown

Hmmmm, such silence...

Lets spark this up again: Assuming, as jcp said, that "Public space(s) are for the use of ALL, not for the monopolization of a single group, regardless of their message. ".

Wouldn't political campaigns be an illegal gathering? I mean they are in most cases, closing entire streets for the monopolization of their single groups. Shouldn't our tax dollars be put into work by sending police squads to suppress these campaign rallies and shit for our safety? Shouldn't police beat up and throw tear gas at these criminals who are committing an illegal act?

Your thoughts yahookans?

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Not everything we hear is the truth
Not everything we're taught helps us grow
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"La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos"
~Roberto Iniesta

verklingen

when has a campaign rally shut a city down, forced schools to close or created riots? the comparison is a bit of a stretch as they don't really disturb the peace in and of themselves. do they often take place in streets?

i see what you're getting at, though the question might be better asked in regard to parades. still, the objection doesn't seem reasonable

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Makros_01

like a football parage! its something that shits me..
in fact
new thread time!

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zerodown

More contemporary, shouldn't G20 be an illegal event? Being that a whole city was virtually shut down for the monopolization of their own little group.

I mean, shouldn't the police beat them up and throw tear gas at them and not the protesters?

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We have to learn to unlearn
Its not contradiction, its amendment
Not everything we see is reality
Not everything we hear is the truth
Not everything we're taught helps us grow
~Cultura Profetica

"La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos"
~Roberto Iniesta

wellfleation

But you have heard the term slippery slope? It's happening in small increments, and before you know it, you have the PD using real time google cameras looking at your private property w/out warrants just b/c they can, in real time to the point of facial recognition which is quickly developing (iPhoto has it already, although it is sketchy at best in my opinion). Oh, and I forgot which state or where I heard it, but there is one state (down south) that mandates a "neutral" emotionless expression for the purpose of facial recognition technology. Red light cameras. How can they really prove it was you driving as it just snaps a pick of your plate and time? You can't really fight it. There are a few examples that are happening.

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First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

-Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984), about the inactivity of German intellectuals following the Nazi rise to power and the purging of their chosen targets, group after group.

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wellfleation

Obama admin is presently working on an "Emergency" Internet bill where in the case of a "national threat" (some broadly worded definition from what I've read) the gov could basically shut down and control the internet.

Another example

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wellfleation

But I do agree that technology will also be used to equally combat such abuses as mentioned. There is an app called Trapster that is using the iPhones GPS and locates police traps in real time, warns you of camera lights, etc. I think it was the Chief of Police in DC that was quoted as being pissed about the app. Why would she be upset? The real goal of police and laws are supposed to be for public safety, and such an app would cause you to slow down and be more cautious which is good, right? But that is obviously not the Chief's goal. The goal is not about public safety but simply wants the revenue from the citations issued.

Fuck the police (except two of my friends).

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flappy

To wellfleat and macros. They are both " old school". Altho I think maybe "still in school".

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YouTube does not make you smart, correct or validated.

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Ego Tripping

So who exactly are "they" 'coming for' in the USA right now? Can we make it at least one or two pages without a reference to Nazi Germany or Alex Jones video? Judging by the events of the past 8 years, the guy is a paranoid quack at this point. Apparently the sky has been falling for 7+ years now...I would have thought that it would have fallen completely by this time. Where are those RFID chips that were supposed to be put into my arm by now?

Come on people, there's a huge difference, but a fine line, between being vigilant and and being paranoid. You all seem to be leaning towards the latter.

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wellfleation

The right seems to be focussed on religion as the primary reason for voting for somebody. They are the ones who seem to like to tag and label people then shun them (gays, anyone deemed "different"). But if you speak to one of these crazy right wingers, they will claim that they are the one's being persecuted by Obama/the left. Yeah, a majority is being persecuted? Fucking idiots; some are so whacked out they become the terrorists (see abortion clinic bombings, the killing/threatening of doctor's who perform abortions, etc). These people are usually also gun nuts as they need to be heavily armed to protect themselves from those Mexicans *are racists*.

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