Makros_01

if you remove the fuel from the fire,then no matter how much oxygen it uses, it will not continue to burn. In doing nothing one can achieve a great deal. While in saying much, one can maintain no fire.
~me. i said this, just now. quote me!

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verklingen

to think you are important enough to be taken seriously. . . ha! truly my dear fellow, yours is a wit found oft among the bridge-dwellers, to be engaged as one would the stench that precedes and follows them: with eyes closed and nose closed!

negative opinion? forsooth! exhibitors of negative opinions do likewise attract that with which they align energetically, which is to say as engaged by their thoughts and behaviors. it is the same for all of us, including dirty, rotten trolls! so back; back i say! to the hills you despicable rube! your displeased incredulity has married sorrow with your fear. . . and thus do you crawl all through life upon your belly in shame! away with you!

O THE MYRIAD LAMENTS YOU'VE WROUGHT!!!!

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flappy

"yours is a wit found oft among the bridge-dwellers, to be engaged as one would the stench that precedes and follows them: with eyes closed and nose closed!

" wit found oft "? You're impressing all the teenage stoners with the high brow insults now.

I really think much of the room has had it with the snobs.

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flappy

I ask for opinions and I get this. How about you post a video, so at least we can see where you stand on SOMETHING

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verklingen

once again it is your speech that lays insult upon your character more so than any blunt observation published by the folk of this electrified hamlet. dare you intrude further?

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flappy

E.--Worshipful Master, there is an alarm at the inner door of our Lodge.

V--Attend to the alarm, Brother Junior, and ascertain the cause.

(This has snob significance)

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flappy

(You motherfuckers really have this thing against YouTube)

OK, you and Verk can think for me from now on.
All this I most solemnly, sincerely promise and swear, with a firm and steadfast resolution to perform the same, without any mental reservation or secret evasion of mind whatever, binding
myself under no less penalty than that of having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by its roots, and my body buried in the rough sands of the sea, at low-water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-four hours, should I ever knowingly violate this my Entered Apprentice obligation. So help me God, and keep me steadfast in the due performance of the same.

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flappy

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

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zerodown

This is just stupid. We can go on forever saying "you're wrong and im right". Fact is, no one has all the answers, there is just too much information and most of it is false, and the only one(god) who some think has all the answers stopped talking to us 2000 years ago. Thats why you have to use your reason to discern between truth and lies.

Why are we even fighting and arguing while trying to prove how ignorant each of us is? If someone is ignorant, teach them, don't just tell them again and again how ignorant they are. Pass on your knowledge, to know someone is wrong and not teach them why, is just as ignorant.

I'm not saying flappy is right or wrong, but at least he is trying to convey a message, he is trying to pass on knowledge he thinks pertinent, either through writing, copy/paste or youtube videos. And all the responses from people like verk and ego are about his ignorance and how his definition of police state(just an example) is wrong. Who cares if he copy pasted? who cares if its on youtube? who cares about the definition of police state? Stop looking at the stupid details, stop focusing on irrelevant stuff and focus on the message itself. Im not saying believe what he says, im saying focus on the message, regardless of how much of a nut job you think someone is.

Its hard to talk to people these days because no one seems to give their true opinion on issues for fear of being ridiculed or being called ignorant or simply because what they say is not what they do(like most religious people). Well, if you got something to share, share, if you don't shut up, but attacking each other is just stupid, teaches us nothing and does not moves us forward. If you think someone is wrong, explain why you think that is wrong, don't just say its wrong and don't tell them they are wrong just because it contradicts what you you think you know, listen and analyze, then research and use a bit of reason before opening your mouth. This is a message board, you have time to research before posting your opinion, you don't need to post "you're wrong" just to post something, or because you don't like someone, or whatever reason and then get out.

Also, thinking someone is a nut job for talking about global enslavement or state police america, just to name a few, is also extremely ignorant, think about all the things we as a society have thought the same and then figured out it was actually true, like i don't know ummm, 9/11? Today most americans think it was an inside job(every poll shows it), 8 years ago though, it was the taliban and anyone who even hinted at it being an inside job was just an ignorant anti-american nut job.

When you hear someone talk, or you read an article or you watch a video and your first reaction is "nut job", research on the subject, you don't have to believe it from the get go, but you can research and come to your own conclusions. Don't just research one side of the argument though, you have to hear both sides and use your brain to decide what is what. I know that may be hard for some, and they rather just stick to what they know and everyone else is a nut job, but come on, just try.

This post is not aimed at anyone in specific, no need to reply. You don't need to reply to everything you're told, some things are just for listening and pondering about.

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We have to learn to unlearn
Its not contradiction, its amendment
Not everything we see is reality
Not everything we hear is the truth
Not everything we're taught helps us grow
~Cultura Profetica

"La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos"
~Roberto Iniesta

flappy

Who can follow a post like "zerodown" just made. The message I got was it's all about freedom of expression. The members here are unique in that they are going against mainstream thought every day with their very lifestyle . . . a lifestyle that makes most of us criminals and felons . You might be lucky enough to be in a state where possession is no more than a traffic ticket, but all of us here will probably do hardtime for growing a few plants. With exceptions, we are living in a society that puts children in prison with hardcore violent convicts for the crime of . . smoking flowers. A society with the largest prison population, actual and per capita, in the world. Even with all that societal pressure, we know that smoking is a "non-crime". We know that hemp could eliminate fossil fuels, wood pulp, and petroleum-based plastics. Instead of Prozac and Zoloff, people would get a better benefit from weed, without the sometimes deadly side effects. Yes, I'm a conspiracy nut when it comes to why government is, and has been, demonising this plant for 75 years. How certain " Captains of Industry" in the oil, paper and pharmaceutical business have taken over media to tell us how evil this plant is. My conspiracy questions have taken me to other issues,too. Issues,to me, as important as the suppression of Hemp.
Thanks again, zero for reminding me that it should always be about issues over image, and to not be concerned about putting your ass on the line for believing in something or giving in to peer pressure. After all, if we did that, everyone here would only be smoking Marlboros.

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verklingen

hi zerodown,

i'm not at all afraid of giving any opinions, in fact i've given plenty! it's practically all i do here. really, go back and read my responses. they're all about my opinion on this thread topic. here's another, in hopes of continuing the topic since i missed this point last time:

that's just the thing man. the g20 summit (and gwhatever summits of the past) shuts down cities not because of the summit itself, but as a response to the unruly protests that seem to follow it. it's become an expectation: gathering of powerful leaders ---> unruly protest that may put non-protesting citizens in danger. it's all about perspective, my friend

i'd also like to say that it's more than possible to believe in government conspiracy behind 9/11 and many other things without being what i would call a "nut job." it's not the belief that i find nutty, it's more the unyielding sense of dread that many carry with the belief. it's a bit nutty because it paints a picture of doom with everything one encounters. i honestly don't consider it any different from the religious expectation of armaggedon, fears about y2k or 2012. those things are nutty to me for all the same reason. . . anything that happens, of course; 2012 is so close! of course, it only makes sense that we're headed to a police state!

these are interpretations of reality like anything else, but interpretation can easily get in the way by "jumping the gun" on observation and solidifying our thought processes toward a pre-determined outcome. when that fine line is crossed, one begins the journey from reason to superstition. we really need to keep ourselves in check to ensure our minds remain vigilant in the truth. that's why i come here to share my thoughts and observations with you guys. yahooka has proven a foil of immense value in tempering my beliefs and fostering a sound sense of truth. i'm extremely grateful to share it with all of you, every day i get the chance

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Ego Tripping

lol

Sooooo....sources, credibility and definition of the very thing you're touting is inevitable is irrelevant? Nice.

Bingo. Why is it so bad to be in the gray area? I aligned myself so deeply with the conspiracy-edge of things, thinking that I had "woke up!" while everyone else was "sleeping"...until I realized that the movement (especially being head up by Alex Jones and the PrisonPlanet movement) was just perpetrating the very same fear that the Mainstream Media was perpetrating...it was just the b-side of the mainstream. Instead of fearing the inevitable terrorist attack from extremist Islamics, I was fearing the inevitable terrorist attack from my own government! What the hell? Now I had to "wake up!" yet again to the fact that they both were meant to trap you in fear.

As I started to loosen my grip on the idea that everything was crashing down, all I did was shift my focus on what wasn't crashing down. No, not ignoring what I already knew to be true and not pretending the other side isn't there, but simply choosing what I gave the majority of my attention to. Suddenly, things looked different. And to me, this is the only way to change things, by envisioning what you want to see, not what you fear will happen. Now I can joyously live my life, knowing I'm making the world a better place because my actions are not rooted in fear and yet still remain vigilant and informed as to what is constantly happening around me.

Because let's face it: nobody here is doing shit about this situation. Zerodown, you never responded to my post because you know the answer. Same with Flappy, you guys don't have the stomach to do a damn thing about it. So if we're all going to sit around and not change the very thing we are touting need to change, then that's the essence of hypocrisy. Since I've shifted away from fear, my actions made sense. We decided we wanted to be a part of a community rather than live in a huge city, so we relocated. I didn't want to be subject to corporate layoffs and enslavement, so I became self employed. We didn't want to worry about food shortages, so we grow our own. We don't want to feed the oil industry, so we walk and bike more. We didn't want to be a part of the corrupt medical industry, so we only use holistic and natural remedies. We didn't want to feed the factory farming industry, so we eat local and organic only (and only eat meat 1-2X a week). We didn't want to feed the giant megacorps like Wal-Mart, so we buy from Goodwill and other second-hand/consignment stores. We didn't want to feel alone in a sea of people, so we connect with our community on a daily basis. All these choices make a huge difference in the 'system' because I'm changing things with the thing that carries the most power than anything else: my dollar. Ghandi said "Be the change you want to see in the world." Not "Fear the change that you don't want to see happen in the world." I take these words to the core of my being and my actions followed. I'm not the type to stock up on guns and ammo in the first place, so if there is a Police State coming...I feel I'm prepared better than most and to the best of my abilities already.

Thusly, now I feel more "awake" than I did when I thought I was "awake" in the first place and I can truly tell this is real because I feel joy and have wonderful expectations for the future of the planet....fear was the dreamworld, the illusion that deludes so many, on both sides.

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flappy

His name is Ego Tripping...an insight to the personality. He knows about all our lives to make the statement " nobody here is doing shit about 'the situation'. According to you, there is no "situation". How about we do everything you do...relocate and become self-employed, irrespective of our obligations,professi ons and responsibilities.
If you have it all together, why the vitriole and anger? You're exactly like big government...knowing what's best for everybody. If you really had it together, you would be much more detached from the lives and thoughts of complete strangers.
Like zero said " who cares ? " Nobody cares except you. . . and for that, we'll never know why.

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Ego Tripping

Uh, yeah, why do you think I chose it? You’re as sharp as a marble, flappy. Let’s call it a filter. My screen name creates perceptions for those that choose to not look very deep into the situation or what I am saying about it. And so far, you’re falling for it hook, line and sinker.

I don’t think there is. That’s my point. You do think there is one however, quite a serious one at that. So…what are you DOING about it? I gave my examples, it’s only fair to get yours.

I never said give up your responsibilities. Go ahead and find where I said that in my post…or perhaps you’re putting words in my mouth. I was explaining where I stood in relation to the situation or lack thereof and what I’ve done about that.

Who’s angry? This has been a blast! Stop whining, please.

My actions are not suited towards everyone, where did I say everyone should do as I do? I was just using myself as an example, you inferred everything else. Don’t read between lines that don’t exist and you might have understood what I was trying to say. In this case, you're like Fox News...reading one thing and interpreting it as the complete opposite.

Why? Just because I got my shit together doesn’t mean I’m not actively engaged in community. And these people aren’t complete strangers, I’ve been posting here for over 5 years, these are friends of mine. You just popped up and decided to pretend to know anything about anybody here and make endless assumptions, which people have continuously pointed out are erroneous.

You care enough to keep responding…so you can’t really use that argument. I do care…I care that people like you are running around spreading information that’s almost entirely speculation and just breeds more and more fear, with no resolution. You guys seem to get so defensive when I simply ask what are you doing about it all. Why is that such a hard question to answer? Reading InfoWars and watching YouTube is not changing the world nor is it doing anything to help fight back whatever forces you think are trying to take over your life. Actions speak and define. I answered it from my stance in terms of what I saw happening in the world and what I wanted to see changed, and even gave examples of how I’ve tried to achieve those goals. Why can’t you do the same without being so defensive? Probably, because you’re a part of the problem, not the solution.

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flappy

What am I "doing about it" all? I'm talking about the disintegration of our republic, as I see it. My opinion, my observation. Spreading information...about all I can do. I think the room allows that.
I'm glad you "got your shit together", I'm sure you're an inspiration to many and I hope you can share your formula for success; like how we can do what you do.
Now if my opinions evoke fear and not curiousity to you, what can I do ? Behave and shut up?
YOU see fear being promoted, does that mean everyone else sees the same thing? Maybe you could ask all these guys, you've known for years, how afraid they are, when they hear conspiracy nuts like me.
So it's good you've tried to achieve your goals. Let everyone else do the same in their own way. . . even if you think some may be "part of the problem and not the solution."

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Ego Tripping

Figured as much….talking. And where you see disintegration of a republic, I see integration of a more locally and community based society, something that might require the republic to “disintegrate” as a prerequisite to make room for something new. Funny how that works.

It does, but it sure does speak volumes about how serious to take the room in general. The world is filled from corner to corner with talkers but few walkers.

I'm not doing anything remotely special...just trying to practice what I preach. I hope to inspire, if someone is inspired by what I do with my life. I think the main difference is I chose chance over security to move me to a place where I could live closer to my ideals, rather than just talk about my ideals all day but then at the end of the day, do the same shit that everyone else is…the same shit that was possibly contributing to the problem in which I was talking about needing changing in the first place!

Well, considering you're not saying anything new in the first place (not a single thing really, everything you've posted has been seen ad nauseum around here, like any Alex Jones video), probably not much...so touché'.

Sure. All I was trying to see was how much effort you're putting into changing the things you seem to so strongly believe need changing. The actions of one person are the best indicators to how much they truly believe what they talk about all day. Considering you're just talking, then I have to assume you, yourself, probably don't believe most of what you say. Good to know, champ.

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zerodown

I'll answer you with the end of the sentence you half quoted:

"focus on the message itself. Im not saying believe what he says, im saying focus on the message, regardless of how much of a nut job you think someone is."

Thats why I said you have to research on your own, don't believe anything anyone says just like that, RESEARCH, then come to a conclusion on your own.

What you only believe "credible" sources? Like cnn or fox? Don't believe ANYONE, research on your own, then apply logic and reason.

Anyways, on with the issues that matter:

Verk I understand your point of view about the city being shut down because of protesters, BUT, if there was no summit there would be no protesters, so in my point of view(and this was only assuming what jcp said was correct) the summit is illegal, because this group of powerful leaders are shutting down a city just because they want to have a reunion in there for their own agendas. jcp stated that we cannot block a street for the monopolization of our groups regardless of the message, and the summit is, in MY view, the closing of a CITY(not a street) for the monopolization of their group, hence making it an illegal gathering according to jcp's statement.

But that was just a cheap shot I tried to make, the main point was on political campaigns, are those illegal gatherings? I don't know in your state, but in my island streets are closed for political campaigns, kids drive without their seat belts and sticking out the windows waving flags like idiots, last year some people died when they fell out of the car doing it. Shouldn't we ban this acts and political campaign gatherings all together for the safety of our people?

I think banning campaigns would be the right move, it would force people to understand politics in order to elect someone, also it would force politicians to actually work instead of relying on campaigns and their face showing up on every place possible. Plus imagine how much money would be saved.

But what do I know?

PS: flappy and ego, you just plain don't like each other, why don't you just ignore each other, you two look like children fighting, seems like you two missed my point on "attacking each other solves nothing". Try to discuss the issues without the animosity you feel towards each other and trying to demonstrate the other one is an idiot does not count as discussing the issue.

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"I've seen people so poor all they got is money."

We have to learn to unlearn
Its not contradiction, its amendment
Not everything we see is reality
Not everything we hear is the truth
Not everything we're taught helps us grow
~Cultura Profetica

"La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos"
~Roberto Iniesta

flappy

"do the same shit that everyone else is. . ."it sure does speak volumes about how serious to take the room in general"
You're shitting on all the friends you've accumulated over the years? Where are they, by the way.
Enough with the angry little man who "cries all day" when those in government fly planes into buildings. . . and gets afraid when others point that out.
Don't be afraid all the time,dude. MAN UP !

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flappy

PS: flappy and ego, you just plain don't like each other, why don't you just ignore each other, you two look like children fighting, seems like you two missed my point on "attacking each other solves nothing". Try to discuss the issues without the animosity you feel towards each other and trying to demonstrate the other one is an idiot does not count as discussing the issue.

Maybe you're right, Zero. Even when you compliment it, it gets angry. We'll let him win and see if that shuts him up. Maybe winning makes him happy..altho I think he'll be angry about that,too.
Now I'll leave before all his friends get here.


I don't really remember where I was. I remember incidents throughout the day, but not really "where I was." I remember crying a lot that day.

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JcP

....I mean...really?

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Just look out around us, people fightin their wars...
They think they'll be happy when they've settled their scores...
Let's lay down our weapons
and hold us apart
be still for just a minute
try to open our hearts
MORE LOVE.

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Originally Posted by The Rev It's not what you see, it's that you're looking.