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Old 09-25-2009, 02:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Welcome to Police State America

There was a point where I thought such talk was overblown and even a tad paranoid... but not anymore. This country is dead. It doesn't matter who's occupying the White House.

But God bless Luke Rudkowski, founder of WeAreChange, for trying as hard as any human being possibly can.



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Old 09-25-2009, 02:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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"Pittsburgh Chief Police" ? Thats like the USARMY right?
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police state? and i thought i was getting ready to enjoy a weekend with my family, fuck! the stormtroopers were kind enough to let me post before taking me to the fema camp, though

it's monstrous what's been done but 5+ years ago the only avenues for illuminating these atrocities caught on film were badly designed black/tiled background websites with colorful text or p2p filesharing. now we get to embed such videos directly to any place on the web we wish to share it, and internal investigations sparked from videos uploaded to sites that depict abusive conduct are commonplace.

not the happiest set of circumstances but to say our country is dead is a bit of a stretch imo
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That second video is shocking.
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can someone clue me in on what's being protested exactly? call me an ignoramus but i think the summit this year has been better than most, and i consider the inclusion of more countries' representatives an indication of progress that should, if anything, be celebrated
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add Evey Hammond to that first video and you almost have V for Vendetta
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Well not like college students are getting shot or anything...

EDIT: sorry.
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That second video is shocking.
That was the US Secret Service.
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Actually...

The police state started with the 1968 Chicago Republican Rally. It continued with Nixon taking office. May 4th, 1970. Kent State, Ohio. People marching for peace and the "peace officers" beating them, arresting them, and killing them. It continued under Reagan. Seizure and forfeiture laws while the C.I.A. was importing marijuana, cocaine, and heroin into the country. Watch the documentary on Showtime I posted on here.

Obama is another evil bastard.
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i think you guys have a very loose definition of police state. . .

really, every time i find out about stuff like this. . . first i'm shocked that it happened, then i'm GRATEFUL that i and everyone else can actually learn of it happening. in a real police state that wouldn't be possible, and if anything the abundance of cases such as these which are shared online proves how truth gathers strength like a snowball rolling down a hill. you're calling defeat now when with each passing day we're closer than we've ever been. it's sad really
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China and Iran are considered "real" police states.

They also have video cams and cell phone cameras and the internet, and they upload their stuff to show the world also. Remember the young woman getting shot in Iran? The Iranians know about the incident.

People in China get out and protest only to be greeted with tanks and tear gas.

You need to get over this "it couldn't happen here" mentality.

I seriously can't believe you are even half way apologizing for the situation in the vids.
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by what criteria are the us, china and iran considered police states? i'm genuinely curious as to how i could be getting ready to head home to my family to spend my weekend doing whatever it is i wish while living in a police state.

and again, what's being protested?
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I just saw Obama on CNN talking about the existence of the protesters at the summit, and how "this is the great thing about America. We have the right to protest."

Right.

These days, if you want to protest at a major event, you have to go through impossible bureaucracy to get a permit. To stand in a secluded area. They have regulations on the size of sign you may carry. No bullhorns allowed, because that disturbs the "peace." Oh, but the riot police may have their own super-bullhorns to disperse everyone. That's fine.
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Old 09-25-2009, 05:06 PM   #14 (permalink)
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by what criteria are the us, china and iran considered police states?
China and Iran are considered police states by the rhetoric of not just our govt and media spokesmen, but by many countries in the world. The international community of "free world countries" spoke in condemnation of the China and Iran suppression of protests.

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There are definitely varying degrees of police state. Most police states simply go after street protesters at major events, where their message can be seen and heard loud and clear. In most of these police states like China, if you simply live your life quietly and apolitically, you're just fine to return home from work and head out to the cabin on the lake and spend the weekend fishing with your family. Nazi Germany was an exception in that they went after you simply for your DNA; if you looked like a Jew, walking the street was dangerous.

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Does that matter at all? Would you condone the authorities' actions if you found out the protesters were advocating a message you disagree with?
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That's an awesome quote mafoo.

I find it "coincidental" that a rash of terrorists with explosives have recently been "discovered" in time for the G-20. In fact, NBC on Thursday night took time to emphatically mention the recent "terrorist plots" while they were covering G-20...and this before the Dallas bomb breaking news.
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thanks kameelyun, for posting this. its scares me slightly to know that we may or may not be undergoing some very difficult times. I feel slightly helpless, i dont know who to rely on to glean FACTUAL information anymore. I dont really trust anyone whos getting paid to do the 'news'. i dont know, kinda makes my head spin to think the suits are in control and that only a small percentage of people would ever think thats a bad thing.

the quote for me just says we must all be more vigilant and more informed than ever before. stuff like that video shakes me as a person whos been educated in a conservative fashion during highschool and then liberally during college. both types emphasized the bill of rights and its importance and now it seems to be weakening by the minute. it seems like paranoia to me, the way i feel, but at the same time i cant dismiss the constant barage of unsettling 'news' about peoples rights being trod all over.
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That's an awesome quote mafoo.

I find it "coincidental" that a rash of terrorists with explosives have recently been "discovered" in time for the G-20. In fact, NBC on Thursday night took time to emphatically mention the recent "terrorist plots" while they were covering G-20...and this before the Dallas bomb breaking news.
The closer we get to the audit of the Federal Reserve, spearheaded by Ron Paul and 290 co-sponsors, the closer we get to....god help us all.
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I just saw Obama on CNN talking about the existence of the protesters at the summit, and how "this is the great thing about America. We have the right to protest."

Right.

These days, if you want to protest at a major event, you have to go through impossible bureaucracy to get a permit. To stand in a secluded area. They have regulations on the size of sign you may carry. No bullhorns allowed, because that disturbs the "peace." Oh, but the riot police may have their own super-bullhorns to disperse everyone. That's fine.
what's wrong with all that? if there's enough drive behind a protest, it will get to where it will reach people regardless of sign size, loudness, or location. does it really have to disturb the peace to be heard? yeah maybe you could argue that the media wouldn't cover it or something; i disagree. but even so, it would be widely reported on the internet. stuff doesn't have to be so sensational to be powerful or effective.

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There are definitely varying degrees of police state. Most police states simply go after street protesters at major events, where their message can be seen and heard loud and clear. In most of these police states like China, if you simply live your life quietly and apolitically, you're just fine to return home from work and head out to the cabin on the lake and spend the weekend fishing with your family. Nazi Germany was an exception in that they went after you simply for your DNA; if you looked like a Jew, walking the street was dangerous.
you're still talking about china. . . why don't you talk about here? people protest stuff all the time. they don't completely disband this shit and ship everyone off into prison camps. plus you just explained to me exactly how protests can be carried out most effectively. sounds like a free society to me! so let's talk about that.

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Does that matter at all? Would you condone the authorities' actions if you found out the protesters were advocating a message you disagree with?
no i'm just curious. like i knew what the teabaggers were standing for, what about these guys? and on that note, what did those teabaggers do differently in order to avoid being gassed? or was the message of the g20 summit simply more objectionable to the establishment; is it that what which attracted such abusive reaction? i guess i won't know 'til i see their message being given within the guidelines of acceptable protest. then i'll see whether they still get arrested or gassed or whatever.
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i feel like im somewhere between verk and kameelyun on the political continuum (sp?)

verk makes many good points about highlighting many of the freedoms we do share, but i also feel like alot of what kameelyun pointed out are symptoms of encroachment on those rights.
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