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Old 09-28-2009, 12:48 PM   #41 (permalink)
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The Iranian bomb is merely a new part of the Muslim / Christian war that has been going on since the before Crusades. The Muslims are starting to gain strength again the Christians are looking for a fight.
And every day I live in fear of bullshit I don't even believe in...


If we gave everyone the bomb and banned religion, we'd have peace.
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:27 PM   #42 (permalink)
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It's a little bit more complicated than that. We only began getting military help from America under Nixon, all of the junk not worth shipping back to the staes left over from Veitnam was sent here.

We then got a shit load of cash for peace with Egypt but they also got nearly as much.

Today we get a measly $3 billion of American weaponry. (which as much to do with subsidizing the US arms business than to help Israel).

So your wrong on all counts, we manage to keep ourselves afloat and armed.

However America gives us a Veto on the security council in th UN and that alone is worth more than any aid or arms.
I thought israel had to spend a certain % of the 3 billion on arms from the US, not the whole wad.

But the veto IS worth so much more so Terry is right about your dependence on us. Now go bomb Syria.
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A Nuclear Debate: Is Iran Designing Warheads?

Rolf Mowatt-Larssen, the former head of intelligence at the Department of Energy and a nuclear expert who worked for the C.I.A., said that the apparent differences of opinion among the world’s intelligence agencies might boil down to differences of interpretative style, or what he called “tradecraft.”

This sounds like a job for "INTELLIGENCE".




Is this going to come down to intelligence reports and sources?

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Do you think Iran has the right to develop nuclear weapons?

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I don't think any of us have the qualifications or the knowledge to answer that.
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I don't think any of us have the qualifications or the knowledge to answer that.
I think most people will agree to that.

It's a good thing we have knowledgeable and qualified politicians.

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Touche, but we do have the IEA, which has done a 'decent' job so far.
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Touche, but we do have the IEA, which has done a 'decent' job so far.

And the IEA is closely related to IKEA which makes containers capable of shipping components needed to create centrifuges to used to refine Uranium to weapons grade. Coincidence?

But seriously, the IEA is still ultimately politically driven. I don't think that can be avoided.

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Old 09-28-2009, 10:13 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I don't think any of us have the qualifications or the knowledge to answer that.
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Old 09-28-2009, 10:21 PM   #49 (permalink)
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anyone who isnt at least drastically suspicious of iran is deluding themselves and sadly the world,

drastic worry is not the same as requiring any kind of attack -

i think at this point an israeli led attack will simply not work....bottom line. unless u had b2s and shit meaning the good old usa air force taking care of it-

so how does that ever happen?

unfortunately at this point it seems people are really being lazy and uncritical and willing to "give the iranians the benefit of the doubt" for years and years as they obviously say more and more outrageous things and destrabilizing things - AND test missles repeatedly - ANd loudly procalim they will never negotiate ONE INCH on nuclear issues- AND we keep finding NEW MORE WELL HIDDEN URANIUM BUNKERS-

but for some reason china and russia think some economic ties to a BAD REGIME will be cut if they were to support the IRANIAN PEOPLE INSTEAD OF THE AYATOLLAHS AND AHMADINEJAD- the world just watched the iranians beat the shit out of their population like in the 1980s in eastern europe- but now liberals for some reason are so anti any war at all and anti being strong for freedom even that we cant even seem to put ANY pressure on iran.

i admit the options are not great- but I dont see anything wrong, and basically everything right with getting all the way to a 48 HOUR ULTIMATUm- just like bush - and if we really had a wise president I think he would be able to reach a deal with Iran in the last few minutes that spared the world this conflict and yet removed the threat-

so America can win in the cuban missle crisis? and watch iraq have its nuclear ambitions taken away? but now because it happens to be 2009 we have to let an insane dictatorial regime that is not democratic (doesnt care about the people it rules- the basis for any kind of deterence) and the world specifically CHINA AND RUSSIa wont support ANYTHING AT ALL....
WTF!!!!

CHINA AND RUSSIA YOU GUYS ARE BACKING US INTO A CORNER HERE IF U REALLY WANT WORLD PEACE YOU WILL HELP EUROPE AND AMEIRCA (AND THE CIVILIZED WORLD) REACH A BETTER ACCOMODATION WITH IRAN THAN WE HAVE NOW-

an iranian nuke could just as easily hit beijing DINGBATS ... WAKE UP!
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As someone who indirectly works for the DoE now, the IEA definitely has its political slants, but it also has its 'patriots' as well. It can't be avoided, but it can, at times, be ignored. That's the reason why i quote 'decent,' since it's relative to your own personal opinion.

My opinion is that no one can judge if Iran should have nukes or not. If they do that's a testament to their own shrewdness and/or the incompetence of the UN on the world stage. That still doesn't mean because they have it they will use it, just like the US and the rest of the nuclear nations, even if it does have a strong inclination to do so. Then again, I'm personally all for nuclear energy, regardless if it's the US or Iran using it to power their infrastructure.

After all, Russia has nukes, but they'll shut off the gas pipelines first, like in 2006 to Ukraine and Europe. Politicians aren't all as dumb as we'd like them to be.
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J, as much as i hate to say it, we've all witnessed your ineptitude at politics and your bigotry. Please don't dive to personal insults.
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its always the person who actually resorts to the personal insults who invokes my "bigotry and ineptitude" without any sort of reference and asks others to refrain from such hypothetical "insults" as have not yet been offered, except by themselves.

but ill definately not insult you komp, so that makes it 1 insult (you) to 0 (me) right?
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'You don't think' isn't an insult in your eyes? You've openly admitted your irrational fears of Barack Hussein Obama and those who don't sound like Thomas Jefferson.

Once again, you ask for references that are given without providing any of your own.
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by bolding your letters (not even my words) i was merely saying that maybe some people do have some insight or knowledge to offer and thus was taking issue with your preceptthat none of us have the knowledge to offer any meaningful commentary on this subject- i guess its up to you to determine what is meaningful tho, so im just disagreeing. disagreeing u know , respectfully, without calling someone of a trifecta of names , but seriously dude i dont care no worries,

of all the yahookans to think their views dont matter- u are literally one of my favorite hookans because your pictures are my wallpapers for like 5 years .
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Unless you're apart of the IEA or some organization that has some sway and actual education on this matter, which yes i am presuming you and others aren't apart of, the insight is just blowharding with no real accomplishment.

But since opinion is so vital, all our merits should be based on it, right?

I'm glad you like my pics, since it's an amazing testament to the world I've gratefully criss-crossed, and one we all live in, doesn't give you the right to claim insights from an armchair and overtly biased sources.
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this thread would be damn short if those are the only ppl u wanna talk to

what do u mean by educated? im not a member of the iaea but i have a pretty good idea what im talking about. did u see that last big post i made care to offer any comments about it? i thought the one u made after it was pretty good.
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Isn't a trifecta a combo of picking, in order of finish, three winners.

I'm interested in hearing your take on this since you said he lost on calling you two name.

Symatics I know, but I didn't find ANY other definition of it.

enlighten me.
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long threads = win?

or maybe try to learn from the learned?
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Are italics insults as well Komp

See what I'm doing here..

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