do you want unilateralism, or multilateralism

Makros_01 · 09-26-2009, 01:36 PM

we've all been too'ing and fro'ing about the state of the world and how obama has a muslim name, or how iran should go to ashes, or even that a world where america isnt the top dog is dangerous..
JFK. ive read your stuff enough to know you are far right wing, quick to lay blame, and short on evidence.
fast shootin when youre ready to tell others they have 'no idea what theyre talking about' yet offer no alternative (kinda like the last republican team for the white house)....
my question is simple it's easy to see there at the top.

so im going to simplify it (and im ready for people to tell me you cant simplify it. i think i can)..
and here we go

zerodown · 09-26-2009, 01:41 PM

neither.

Makros_01 · 09-26-2009, 01:43 PM

sorry zero.. sposed to be a poll

zerodown · 09-26-2009, 01:49 PM

The lesser of two devils then...

Makros_01 · 09-26-2009, 01:52 PM

the way the world IS my friend, always a choice between two undesirables.. if youve got a third way.. lets here it

JcP · 09-26-2009, 02:14 PM

multilateralism.

Ego Tripping · 09-26-2009, 03:28 PM

Multi.

And Makros, I like the cut of your jib. Hope you post more often. We need more Aussie energy around these parts.

flappy · 09-26-2009, 11:56 PM

What's lateralism ?

Makros_01 · 09-29-2009, 10:16 AM

lateral as in a branch.. a prong.. to the side. from many angles.
un being single, lateral being the prongs of diplomacy

so single minded diplomacy ( the association also infers, in its popular usage, an arbitrary approach to diplomatic wrangling)i think ive said enough

and thank ego.. you will/perhaps already have.. see(n) me kicking round pissing up the wall with opine fresh ...jib. a friend of mine who smashes me at chess is particular to that word.

verklingen · 09-29-2009, 11:05 AM

ever since the age of discovery -- when european powers became intrinsically dependent on resources from across the globe to provide revenue to build their empires as well as sustain their populations -- our world has been tip-toeing toward a global system of resource management. our problem is that the age of discovery was itself driven by greed, and this gave birth to a greedy system. you might say greed was the original unilateral approach, and we've stuck with it through various manifestations and incarnations: from racism to jingoism and everything in between. but all the while the livelihood of all nations has been stitched ever closer, and today we have a strong, global commercial structure wherein the shortcomings of some are supported by the abundance of others.

this is a natural order that arose from greed (selling goods to meet a demand), but greed can only take us so far. it was never the best way to go about things, but given the scale of this system (which has grown to encompass the entire globe) it's becoming glaringly obvious to anyone with a history book and news source that this same greedy, unilateral paradigm has all along been yielding diminishing returns. . . and now threatens to topple the system entirely. we fumbled into this remarkable gift, and imo we'd better get as many ideas about what to do with it as possible.

Makros_01 · 09-29-2009, 01:29 PM

'mans despotic relationship with nature' verklingen? is that the sort of greed? I agree. sustainable economics as opposed to col. inflatory economics is IMO worht serious consideration as the logical stepping stone to fascilitate another paradigm.
And, once again IMO, really....that's what its all about is'nt it. Our greed isn't really borne of an ill will, or an evil, or anything negative. It is merely the instinctual drive that motivates ambition. Not bad things. We want to be better. Awesome!
I thin it will be soon. We will be able to help each other independantly of money. I mean, really. Imagine being able to fix a man/woman who is dying right there in front of you on the street and not doing it out of a fear of monetry concern..
wowee!
ok...im dont now..*deep breathes*

View Poll Results: and youd prefer? cause lets face it, these are the choices
i want america to be the sherif!	0	0%
i want many cultural views to be included in world governance	9	100.00%
Voters: 9. You may not vote on this poll

09-26-2009, 01:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
Makros_01 Old School Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 638 Thanks: 17 Thanked 16 Times in 15 Posts	do you want unilateralism, or multilateralism we've all been too'ing and fro'ing about the state of the world and how obama has a muslim name, or how iran should go to ashes, or even that a world where america isnt the top dog is dangerous.. JFK. ive read your stuff enough to know you are far right wing, quick to lay blame, and short on evidence. fast shootin when youre ready to tell others they have 'no idea what theyre talking about' yet offer no alternative (kinda like the last republican team for the white house).... my question is simple it's easy to see there at the top. so im going to simplify it (and im ready for people to tell me you cant simplify it. i think i can).. and here we go __________________ sometimes i'm drunk.

09-26-2009, 01:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
zerodown Mafutero Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PR Posts: 782 Thanks: 41 Thanked 169 Times in 131 Posts	neither. __________________ "I've seen people so poor all they got is money." We have to learn to unlearn Its not contradiction, its amendment Not everything we see is reality Not everything we hear is the truth Not everything we're taught helps us grow ~Cultura Profetica "La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos" ~Roberto Iniesta

09-26-2009, 01:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
Makros_01 Old School Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 638 Thanks: 17 Thanked 16 Times in 15 Posts	sorry zero.. sposed to be a poll __________________ sometimes i'm drunk.

09-26-2009, 01:49 PM	#4 (permalink)
zerodown Mafutero Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PR Posts: 782 Thanks: 41 Thanked 169 Times in 131 Posts	The lesser of two devils then... __________________ "I've seen people so poor all they got is money." We have to learn to unlearn Its not contradiction, its amendment Not everything we see is reality Not everything we hear is the truth Not everything we're taught helps us grow ~Cultura Profetica "La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos" ~Roberto Iniesta

09-26-2009, 01:52 PM	#5 (permalink)
Makros_01 Old School Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 638 Thanks: 17 Thanked 16 Times in 15 Posts	the way the world IS my friend, always a choice between two undesirables.. if youve got a third way.. lets here it __________________ sometimes i'm drunk.

09-26-2009, 03:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,468 Thanks: 229 Thanked 665 Times in 443 Posts	Multi. And Makros, I like the cut of your jib. Hope you post more often. We need more Aussie energy around these parts. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

09-26-2009, 11:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
flappy YaHookan Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 807 Thanks: 48 Thanked 102 Times in 85 Posts	What's lateralism ?

09-29-2009, 10:16 AM	#9 (permalink)
Makros_01 Old School Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 638 Thanks: 17 Thanked 16 Times in 15 Posts	lateral as in a branch.. a prong.. to the side. from many angles. un being single, lateral being the prongs of diplomacy so single minded diplomacy ( the association also infers, in its popular usage, an arbitrary approach to diplomatic wrangling)i think ive said enough and thank ego.. you will/perhaps already have.. see(n) me kicking round pissing up the wall with opine fresh ...jib. a friend of mine who smashes me at chess is particular to that word. __________________ sometimes i'm drunk.

09-29-2009, 11:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
verklingen Radical Dreamer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: texas Posts: 8,005 Thanks: 811 Thanked 1,491 Times in 946 Posts	ever since the age of discovery -- when european powers became intrinsically dependent on resources from across the globe to provide revenue to build their empires as well as sustain their populations -- our world has been tip-toeing toward a global system of resource management. our problem is that the age of discovery was itself driven by greed, and this gave birth to a greedy system. you might say greed was the original unilateral approach, and we've stuck with it through various manifestations and incarnations: from racism to jingoism and everything in between. but all the while the livelihood of all nations has been stitched ever closer, and today we have a strong, global commercial structure wherein the shortcomings of some are supported by the abundance of others. this is a natural order that arose from greed (selling goods to meet a demand), but greed can only take us so far. it was never the best way to go about things, but given the scale of this system (which has grown to encompass the entire globe) it's becoming glaringly obvious to anyone with a history book and news source that this same greedy, unilateral paradigm has all along been yielding diminishing returns. . . and now threatens to topple the system entirely. we fumbled into this remarkable gift, and imo we'd better get as many ideas about what to do with it as possible. __________________ “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” rip matt

09-29-2009, 01:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
Makros_01 Old School Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 638 Thanks: 17 Thanked 16 Times in 15 Posts	'mans despotic relationship with nature' verklingen? is that the sort of greed? I agree. sustainable economics as opposed to col. inflatory economics is IMO worht serious consideration as the logical stepping stone to fascilitate another paradigm. And, once again IMO, really....that's what its all about is'nt it. Our greed isn't really borne of an ill will, or an evil, or anything negative. It is merely the instinctual drive that motivates ambition. Not bad things. We want to be better. Awesome! I thin it will be soon. We will be able to help each other independantly of money. I mean, really. Imagine being able to fix a man/woman who is dying right there in front of you on the street and not doing it out of a fear of monetry concern.. wowee! ok...im dont now..deep breathes __________________ sometimes i'm drunk.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes	Rate This Thread
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode	Rate This Thread: