Oklahoma bombing security tapes "editied?" - Page 2

verklingen · 10-02-2009, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by flappy

It seems naive to think that those highly connected to government would face any consequences. Who is going to tell anybody? Your CNN,ABC,Nbc,etc?

Maybe you don't think Cheney did anything wrong, but most here think he's a war criminal. Where's the outrage in your mainstream media; a media that needs licensing by govt. to stay in business.

i don't mean that they would be ousted, but it would be unequivocally proven that we are being provided misinformation. and if so it's easy enough to tell with video. i'm highly interested in developments about this.

and when the fuck did i ever say what i think about cheney or anything else for that matter. i like to talk about things which can be proven empirically when talking politics and such to avoid discussing beliefs (for the record bush and co are war criminals for the simple fact of invading iraq, but i dunno if you're talking about that or more theoretical possibilities such as orchestrating 9-11). such talk gets us nowhere. if these tapes are edited it is empirical proof that there is something to hide and top officials are trying to hide it. that would be enough to raise a great deal of our population's eyebrows.

zerodown · 10-02-2009, 09:52 AM

You know why none of this matters? Because there is evidence and nothing is being done about it. Nothing can be done, the only ones whpo can do anything are either part of it or they are bribed if not mysteriously killed.

What I mean is. It is crystal clear that 9/11 was a false flag operation, there is plenty of evidence yet Bush and Cheney have not been jailed or executed for treason. We don't have to catch every member involved in this act of treason, but we can at least get the head of the snake, Bush and Cheney, at least.

There is PLENTY of evidence that the CIA(and most pseudo-government agencies) has been in constant foul play since its inception, yet there it is, scheming for their next screw up plan.

How long will the american people keep voting for the wrong president? Isn't it curious that americans have elected the wrong president for far too many years? Do you think the current one or the next one will fix this shit up? Please...

The people don't care about any of it, and the few who do are oppressed into silence. Nothing ever changes, its the same bullshits with different headlines.

"This country was bought and sold a long time ago" -G. Carlin

flappy · 10-02-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by verklingen

i don't mean that they would be ousted, but it would be unequivocally proven that we are being provided misinformation. and if so it's easy enough to tell with video. i'm highly interested in developments about this.

and when the fuck did i ever say what i think about cheney or anything else for that matter. i like to talk about things which can be proven empirically when talking politics and such to avoid discussing beliefs (for the record bush and co are war criminals for the simple fact of invading iraq, but i dunno if you're talking about that or more theoretical possibilities such as orchestrating 9-11). such talk gets us nowhere. if these tapes are edited it is empirical proof that there is something to hide and top officials are trying to hide it. that would be enough to raise a great deal of our population's eyebrows.

Why do such talks about 911 get us nowhere...it gets us to the truth. It takes a little time and research which most people don't have the time or inclination. To me, I want to know why Charlie Sheen is putting his career on the line to talk about 911, when he doesn't have to. I want to know why #7 came down when it wasn't hit and why eyewitnesses testified to many explosions there, as a controlled explosion. Look, your not curious, you already have written it off as nonsense God forbid people think your unsophisticated.
This does more than " raise our eyebrows".
You have a good life . . .no one wants you to get upset. Hope, change, etc.

flappy · 10-02-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by zerodown

You know why none of this matters? Because there is evidence and nothing is being done about it. Nothing can be done, the only ones whpo can do anything are either part of it or they are bribed if not mysteriously killed.

What I mean is. It is crystal clear that 9/11 was a false flag operation, there is plenty of evidence yet Bush and Cheney have not been jailed or executed for treason. We don't have to catch every member involved in this act of treason, but we can at least get the head of the snake, Bush and Cheney, at least.

There is PLENTY of evidence that the CIA(and most pseudo-government agencies) has been in constant foul play since its inception, yet there it is, scheming for their next screw up plan.

How long will the american people keep voting for the wrong president? Isn't it curious that americans have elected the wrong president for far too many years? Do you think the current one or the next one will fix this shit up? Please...

The people don't care about any of it, and the few who do are oppressed into silence. Nothing ever changes, its the same bullshits with different headlines.

"This country was bought and sold a long time ago" -G. Carlin

You hit upon the system's inner works. We have a choice of 2 people. One fucks it up, and we run to another in 4 years. That one fucks it up, we vote the other 'non-choice'.. .on and on. And, it's public knowledge that all these candidates go to the same Ivy League schools and some even the same fraternities. On top of that, they chum around together like Bush Sr.and Clinton. Obama, the rebel, was backed by 3 times more Wall St. money than McCain. Please.
I just wanted to add this quote (again):
"The high office of President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom, and before I leave office I must inform the citizen of his plight."
--John F. Kennedy, at Columbia University, 10 days before his assassination.

zerodown · 10-02-2009, 10:32 AM

I forgot to add that the people who DON'T believe 9/11(just one example) was a false flag operation, are irrelevant, they don't matter, because there are evidential facts that corroborates it, so these people can be judged even if the american people don't believe it, because of the EVIDENCE. We don't need to convince ourselves that it was an inside job, we just have to use the evidence that already exist and put some handcuffs on some high officials on this country.

That is why the media/system is so aggressive at misinforming the public, cause if you are misinformed, you don't matter.

verklingen · 10-02-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by flappy

Why do such talks about 911 get us nowhere...it gets us to the truth.

because one man's irrefutable evidence is another man's poppycock. and beyond that, people can look at the same set of data and arrive at completely different conclusions

personally i think there was at least a blind eye turned toward the events that lead up to 9-11, if not outright government involvement. and if there was -- more importantly than exactly how that involvement may have played out -- i see such machinations working against their aims and actively dismantling their agenda. their efforts in iraq and afghanistan have proven the futility of war for profit and control (they control nothing and nearly bankrupted our nation [sure halliburton and others got some beefy contracts out of it but that's hardly all they were after]).

say these tapes are edited (that's the topic, right???): that must mean someone in a place of authority has something to hide. well, you can't hide much in video so that immediately raises a red flag; something is amiss! so yeah, i'm not exactly against or disbelieve the potential credibility of conspiracy theories, what i'm against is the insuperable obstacle they paint the possible conspirators as: the defeatism that sets in as the outrage mounts. it helps uphold a situation wherein the designs of these people can be further propagated and lends much to their potential realization. . . at least as much as any radio pundit or fox news talking head

these people are only human, however powerful they think they are. they are not above the pressures of our world and they can bash their heads against it all they want. the truth will come out sooner or later but it won't be the truth which does them in. they're taking care of that well enough on their own in my eyes.

zerodown · 10-02-2009, 12:19 PM

"It has already been pointed out how dangerous it would be to breed man for reason - that is, against suggestibility. The idea is a fit companion for the device of breeding against “degeneracy”. The degenerate – that is, the mentally unstable – have demonstrated by the mere fact of instability that they possess the quality of sensitiveness to feeling and to experience, for it is this which has prevented them from applying the remedy of rationalization or exclusion when they have met with experience conflicting with the herd suggestion." -Wilfred Trotter, Instincts of the herd in peace and war.

verklingen · 10-02-2009, 12:36 PM

i quite agree! rational thought is the saving grace of humanity. it's too bad people don't bother questioning more of their assumptions, including the assumptions of conspiratorial supremacy i outlined above. for a more specific example, look to the g20 protest. many are inclined to forgo rationality and cry "police state!" while the police reaction was undeniably harsh, it is the result not of a draconian will to silence a message but merely the method by which that message was presented. in other words, emotion and herd mentality get the best of us.

SmokeSomeDoja · 10-02-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Terry

Well that's a new one..

Ok, if not McVeigh, then who, and why?

for all any of us know, mcveigh was just a pawn/tool/whatever you want to call it.

the clinton administration passed lots of anti-terror legislation after the bombings, granting various government agencies more power over u.s. citizens.

flappy · 10-02-2009, 12:48 PM

Protests are a symptom of the problem. People are getting poorer and poorer thru taxes,medical costs,food and fuel. They hear of mandatory healthcare (and they know its going to cost them more out of their paycheck), they hear of Cap&Trade which means a doubling of their utility rates, sabre rattling in Iran, a constant,bogus and expensive overseas war, industries being socialised, etc.etc.
They are screaming at their representatives and not being heard, while the media laughs at them and calls them teabaggers and neo-cons.
Protests are merely frustrated people without power or redress. Protests are the "fluff" issues, what lies behind the angst is what we should be exploring.

10-02-2009, 09:52 AM	#22 (permalink)
zerodown Mafutero Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PR Posts: 782 Thanks: 41 Thanked 169 Times in 131 Posts	You know why none of this matters? Because there is evidence and nothing is being done about it. Nothing can be done, the only ones whpo can do anything are either part of it or they are bribed if not mysteriously killed. What I mean is. It is crystal clear that 9/11 was a false flag operation, there is plenty of evidence yet Bush and Cheney have not been jailed or executed for treason. We don't have to catch every member involved in this act of treason, but we can at least get the head of the snake, Bush and Cheney, at least. There is PLENTY of evidence that the CIA(and most pseudo-government agencies) has been in constant foul play since its inception, yet there it is, scheming for their next screw up plan. How long will the american people keep voting for the wrong president? Isn't it curious that americans have elected the wrong president for far too many years? Do you think the current one or the next one will fix this shit up? Please... The people don't care about any of it, and the few who do are oppressed into silence. Nothing ever changes, its the same bullshits with different headlines. "This country was bought and sold a long time ago" -G. Carlin __________________ "I've seen people so poor all they got is money." We have to learn to unlearn Its not contradiction, its amendment Not everything we see is reality Not everything we hear is the truth Not everything we're taught helps us grow ~Cultura Profetica "La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos" ~Roberto Iniesta

10-02-2009, 10:32 AM	#25 (permalink)
zerodown Mafutero Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PR Posts: 782 Thanks: 41 Thanked 169 Times in 131 Posts	I forgot to add that the people who DON'T believe 9/11(just one example) was a false flag operation, are irrelevant, they don't matter, because there are evidential facts that corroborates it, so these people can be judged even if the american people don't believe it, because of the EVIDENCE. We don't need to convince ourselves that it was an inside job, we just have to use the evidence that already exist and put some handcuffs on some high officials on this country. That is why the media/system is so aggressive at misinforming the public, cause if you are misinformed, you don't matter. __________________ "I've seen people so poor all they got is money." We have to learn to unlearn Its not contradiction, its amendment Not everything we see is reality Not everything we hear is the truth Not everything we're taught helps us grow ~Cultura Profetica "La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos" ~Roberto Iniesta

10-02-2009, 12:19 PM	#27 (permalink)
zerodown Mafutero Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PR Posts: 782 Thanks: 41 Thanked 169 Times in 131 Posts	"It has already been pointed out how dangerous it would be to breed man for reason - that is, against suggestibility. The idea is a fit companion for the device of breeding against “degeneracy”. The degenerate – that is, the mentally unstable – have demonstrated by the mere fact of instability that they possess the quality of sensitiveness to feeling and to experience, for it is this which has prevented them from applying the remedy of rationalization or exclusion when they have met with experience conflicting with the herd suggestion." -Wilfred Trotter, Instincts of the herd in peace and war. __________________ "I've seen people so poor all they got is money." We have to learn to unlearn Its not contradiction, its amendment Not everything we see is reality Not everything we hear is the truth Not everything we're taught helps us grow ~Cultura Profetica "La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos" ~Roberto Iniesta

10-02-2009, 12:36 PM	#28 (permalink)
verklingen Radical Dreamer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: texas Posts: 8,005 Thanks: 811 Thanked 1,491 Times in 946 Posts	i quite agree! rational thought is the saving grace of humanity. it's too bad people don't bother questioning more of their assumptions, including the assumptions of conspiratorial supremacy i outlined above. for a more specific example, look to the g20 protest. many are inclined to forgo rationality and cry "police state!" while the police reaction was undeniably harsh, it is the result not of a draconian will to silence a message but merely the method by which that message was presented. in other words, emotion and herd mentality get the best of us. __________________ “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” rip matt

10-02-2009, 12:48 PM	#30 (permalink)
flappy YaHookan Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 807 Thanks: 48 Thanked 102 Times in 85 Posts	Protests are a symptom of the problem. People are getting poorer and poorer thru taxes,medical costs,food and fuel. They hear of mandatory healthcare (and they know its going to cost them more out of their paycheck), they hear of Cap&Trade which means a doubling of their utility rates, sabre rattling in Iran, a constant,bogus and expensive overseas war, industries being socialised, etc.etc. They are screaming at their representatives and not being heard, while the media laughs at them and calls them teabaggers and neo-cons. Protests are merely frustrated people without power or redress. Protests are the "fluff" issues, what lies behind the angst is what we should be exploring. __________________ <> <><><><><><><><> <><><><><><><><><> <>

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