José

what????

Attorney: Oklahoma City bomb tapes appear edited - Yahoo! News

this is insane shit man.

I don't trust our government, at all. I am definitely going to keep guns in my room from now on. Seriously, next thing you know the US gov will be putting the military in our houses like they did during the civil war. Like they are trying to ban pit bulls, maybe that's not just protection for their neighbors/public but for themselves!

Fuck this shit man, I just want to live my life. This makes me want to get a concealed gun permit.

flappy

The executive orders are in GOOGLE that could put military in your houses. All they need is a crisis. And man, they're good at producing those. Terrorism, pandemics, Iran, bank collapses. I'll find the video of the congressman saying they told them to vote for the "bailout bill" last October..if they didn't, it might mean martial law. Martial law means anything goes and " What constitution, motherfucker?"

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Mydriasis

If there was a food crisis from this economic depression some are claiming is "over"(still have over 10% unemployment rate). They could have us all move to one location and guard us with military and pretty much have us do whatever they wanted.

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kameelyun

You beat me to it.

I have my own personal theory as to why OKC was a government op, but before I state it...

...for those that are not familiar with these local news reports that were aired in OKC in the immediate aftermath of the bombing, check it out:

(but before you do, remember the official story: a bomb made of fertilizer and fuel oil, in a parked yellow Ryder truck on the sidewalk, caused all the damage)



(Edit: And before any doubters try to say that these were simple reporting errors, note the exact words. They're not speculating that there might have been other bombs. They say that the FBI/Justice dept had confirmed that there were extra explosives INSIDE the building.)

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kameelyun

who was a Middle Eastern man.



Like I said, I have my personal theory which I'll share shortly...

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flappy

More people are on the same page, thanks to videos on the net. I can't figure why the goons get so angry when anyone suggests there may be a shadow government that may stage "false flag" events to further an agenda. You see them in this forum,too, screaming "conspiracy nuts". "Remember The Maine", Gulf of Tonkin, and yes "911". Spanish American War gave us Cuba, Puerto Rico and the Phillipines. Gulf of Tonkin started a bloodbath in Vietnam that made more people wealthy than at any time in history. What did 911 give them besides Middle East bloodbaths? Maybe the USA.

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José

I've never been one for 9/11 conspiracies, but the fact that all the gold in the towers was moved out the DAY before is a little too weird.

this is for any one who's never done this with a 20 dollar bill. Do it.



and on the backside...


shits too weird man.

and the "all seeing eye" on all USD. or the "E PLURIBUS UNUM."
sure, sure it could just mean all the states becoming one united states, but they are also the "most powerful" government at this point in time. I'm never fucking giving up my right to bear arms.

kameelyun

Here's a nice compendium of them, mostly related to war and terrorism.

To be a "left of center" person, or someone who was appauled at the Bush regime's actions, but still believe the official 911 story...

...means you believe that the ONE AND ONLY TIME the Bush gang told the truth... was when they declared who was responsible for the attacks.

Even though the attacks were the very defining moment of that presidency.

Oh, and lest we forget: It is scientific fact that there were explosives in there.

(psst... it's the no. 1 censored story of 2009)

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flappy

A chronicle of "false flag" terrorism in this century. (The term false flag comes from the time the English ships would put on a French flag to get the blame put on the French during a raid.)

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zerodown

Nah, this is obviously just speculation and overreaction, im sure our government wouldn't do that kind of things, right?

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verklingen

so are they edited or what? proof would be the death knell for those who would hide info from the public. if they are edited it's easy enough for anyone with even a little experience with video to tell. i'm completely confident that these people are digging their own graves.

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JcP

I'm interested...

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José

who?

verklingen

whoever would benefit by editing the surveillance tapes, if indeed anybody would benefit by doing so. the insinuation is our government or elements of a shadow government/behind-closed-doors conspiracy, i suppose

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kameelyun

It is, of course, my own speculation and may well be completely wrong, somewhat correct, or possibly totally correct. But after seeing the anomalies with OKC, and scratching my head as to what the motive could possibly have been if in fact there was a deeper conspiracy, I've come up with one that I think at least half way makes sense.

So, Daddy Bush went into Iraq in 1991, but didn't "finish the job" so to speak. A number of influential neo-conservatives like Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc. were unhappy with this, and wanted Saddam gone, and the US completely controlling the natural resources of the region. Unfortunately for them, Clinton bumps Bush out of office after 4 years. So the members of what will later be known as the Project For a New American Century are left twiddling their thumbs thinking of what to do next.

(Incidentally, let us not forget that the lie which caused a zoom in US support for the first Gulf War was the fraudulent claim.)

Then, in November 1994 (the midterm elections), the Republicans took control of congress, the "Gingrich Revolution."

Gingrich and other Republican leaders were heavily pressuring Clinton to finish the job against Saddam, but Clinton was dead against it. I read in a book at Borders (sorry I don't remember which one, it was awhile back) where Gingrich and another republican leader came into the Oval Office, circling around Clinton's desk, intimidating him; Clinton said, "If you want war in the Middle East, you'd better get yourself a new President!"

Shortly after, in April 1995, the OKC bombing occurs.

Now, let's consider the above context with regard to the two videos I've posted in this thread so far.

The first video shows, beyond a reasonable doubt imo, that there were THREE large explosive devices INSIDE the Murrah building. However, two of them, for whatever reason, failed to detonate, so the building, unlike the WTC, was only partially damaged but not leveled.

The second video shows, beyond a reasonable doubt imo, that there was a SECOND, MIDDLE EASTERN man in the truck with McVeigh, according to many eyewitnesses.

This was a failed false flag operation. And they planned for a back up story in the event of a failure. That back up story was what we got: that Tim McVeigh, a lone nut (along with Nichols), did it on the 2 year anniversary of Waco because they were pissed with the way the US govt handled Waco.

However, if all explosives had gone off, and the building had been completely leveled, the Middle Eastern "John Doe No. 2" would have been blamed, and we likely would never have heard of McVeigh. Instead of 168 dead, over 1,000 would have probably been killed (it's the 4-figure body count which really angers the country purple). The senior officials in the intelligence services in on the conspiracy would have presented the "hard evidence" to Clinton that this was one of Saddam's men who attacked us. At that point Clinton would have felt no choice but to go along with the plan. The "War on Terror / Arab nations" would have started in 1995 instead of 2001.

Pissed off that their plans were not succeeding, the neo-cons did everything they could to try to get rid of Clinton; hence the attempted removal from office over Lewinsky in 1998. If he had been removed from office, it wouldn't have indicated a change in presidential Party (I'm pretty sure the way it works, Gore would have been interim President), but perhaps they figured Gore would have been a much easier puppet to manipulate.

However, the impeachment attempt failed, and Clinton was exonorated.

More pissed than ever, the neo-cons were determined to take power in 2000, regardless of what the voters wanted. Hence the stolen 2000 election.

I can anticipate a few objections to this theory. One of them probably being: "Well, if this is the case, why didn't they go directly to Iraq right after 911, rather than Afghanistan, and waiting over a year until Iraq?" Well, for one thing, the plan for a large pipeline through Afghanistan hadn't been proposed by the Taliban until 1997, and OKC was 1995.

Also, as the neo-cons were sitting around tables sipping coffee between 1995 and 2001, they decided it had to be about more than just Iraq - it had to be about controlling the entire region.

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stateofkane

That's about it right there.

flappy

It seems naive to think that those highly connected to government would face any consequences. Who is going to tell anybody? Your CNN,ABC,Nbc,etc?

Maybe you don't think Cheney did anything wrong, but most here think he's a war criminal. Where's the outrage in your mainstream media; a media that needs licensing by govt. to stay in business.

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zerodown

Why do we even have video cameras in every corner if they never seem to record any of the important moments anyways?

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