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zerodown · 10-06-2009, 05:33 PM

Amazing, most of the country want to end the war, yet most of their representatives can't seem to listen, where is democracy when you need it?

Where I live, we have two senatorial chambers, its a chaos, and the people voted to get rid of one of them, we wanted just one, we voted and we won, just one. there are still two, they didn't give a fuck about our votes. democracy at its best.

Roach · 10-06-2009, 07:19 PM

for anyone who forgets the promise....

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/Defen...heet_FINAL.pdf

Roach · 10-06-2009, 07:26 PM

There is a very simple reason for not ending either war now.

Bring the boys home to what ? With near 20% national unemployment.
To do what...police America probably.

That's alot of payout for "nothing accomplished".

Remember always the military's primary goal is to stay "The military".
With no active military engagements, promotions come slow, technology advances slow, and funding screeches to a halt.

Hedons · 10-07-2009, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoneric

He lives under the UCMJ. Better check the chain of command.

Ah... yes, good point.

Should the uniform code of military justice should also be applied to the members of the military who have been outspoken against the wars and the war mongering politicians?

-Hedons

stoneric · 10-07-2009, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hedons

Ah... yes, good point.

Should the uniform code of military justice should also be applied to the members of the military who have been outspoken against the wars and the war mongering politicians?

-Hedons

Good point yourself.

But a better comparison would be a lower ranking officer being as insubordinate to the general as the general was to Obama. I'd say his nuts would be on a platter.

zerodown · 10-07-2009, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mookie

There is a very simple reason for not ending either war now.

Bring the boys home to what ? With near 20% national unemployment.
To do what...police America probably.

That's alot of payout for "nothing accomplished".

Remember always the military's primary goal is to stay "The military".
With no active military engagements, promotions come slow, technology advances slow, and funding screeches to a halt.

1) You are implying that there is no democracy on this issue then. America wants their soldiers back, but government will not do so because it fucks up their economy.

2) All the money used to fund the war could be used to ummm I don't know, create jobs? Put people to produce instead of killing? I don't know, Im just saying there is already a lot of payout for "nothing accomplished" in this war, why don't we change directions and put that money to good use?

Saying we can't stop the war because its not cost effective is naive.

But what do i know?

ProfessorMurder · 10-08-2009, 05:23 PM

Exclusive Apache Pilots Shocked at Size of Attack on Camp Keating - ABC News

The U.S. and Afghan army soldiers inside Keating had been reduced in ranks
because the camp was scheduled to be closed as part of Gen. Stanley
McChrystal's strategy of pulling back from sparsely populated areas to
protect population centers instead.

The camp is located at the base of two steep mountains, allowing the enemy
to fire down on the camp with a powerful .50 caliber machine gun and other
heavy guns.

The firefight, which killed eight U.S. troops and left 24 soldiers wounded,
came as President Obama is formulating a revised strategy for the now eight-
year long war in Afghanistan.

The camp's generator was hit immediately, plunging the camp into the pre-
dawn darkness. Soon the camp was on fire with strong winds fanning it along
to additional buildings. Eventually every building in the camp except one was
burned.

"We were basically surrounded 360 degrees," Shrode said. "I think there were
significant numbers [of enemy fighters] throughout the day."

Shrode and Souter immediately called for air support.

"We had fixed wing [jets] 20 minutes after fight started," Shrode told ABC
News. "We had helicopters 20 minutes later.... We had so many different
assets up in the air... they were stacked on so many different levels."

Nevertheless, the battle raged throughout the morning. There a lull about
noon, before the attack resumed.

"We had everything we needed. It was just a big attack with a lot of people.
Bad things happen, but I think we did well considering the circumstances." He
added that cooperation with the air cover ensured that a "bad situation did
not turn worse."

For the pilots, it was at times difficult to find the enemy. And because of the
smoke, visibility was restricted to a half mile.

"One of the primary reasons the fight took so long, it is in extreme terrain,"
said Lewellen, of Clarksville, Tenn. "There are a lot of rocks and a lot of
cover. You really can't detect the enemy until they start moving again."

Three of the attacking Apaches were damaged by insurgent fire, officials said.

By the afternoon, cloud cover moved, ironically revealing the position of
enemy gunners.

"At that time we were able to see some of the larger muzzle flashes that
were a little higher in the mountains," Lewellen said. "We started to eliminate
the larger weapons."

One concern was a report that several large caliber weapons were trained on
the helicopter landing zone, waiting for a Medevac flight to take out the
wounded. The Medevac chopper didn't arrive until after 9 p.m. that night
under the cover of darkness and after those weapons had been located and
destroyed.

ProfessorMurder · 10-13-2009, 03:22 AM

In war, US troops 'complain' about weapons failure

He claims that although the US soldiers' weapons were routinely inspected
and cared by commanders, the weapons had breakdowns, especially when
the rifles were on full automatic, which could have fired hundreds of bullets
per minute.

''My weapon was overheating,'' Spc. Chris McKaig said, according to
Cubbison's report. ''I had shot about 12 magazines by this point already and
it had only been about a half hour or so into the fight. I couldn't charge my
weapon and put another round in because it was too hot, so I got mad and
threw my weapon down.''

The soldiers also had trouble with their M249 weapons, which is larger than
the M4 and can shoot up to 750 rounds per minute.

The Associated Press: Weapons failed US troops during Afghan firefight

WASHINGTON — In the chaos of an early morning assault on a remote U.S.
outpost in eastern Afghanistan, Staff Sgt. Erich Phillips' M4 carbine quit firing
as militant forces surrounded the base. The machine gun he grabbed after
tossing the rifle aside didn't work either.

When the battle in the small village of Wanat ended, nine U.S. soldiers lay
dead and 27 more were wounded. A detailed study of the attack by a military
historian found that weapons failed repeatedly at a "critical moment" during
the firefight on July 13, 2008, putting the outnumbered American troops at
risk of being overrun by nearly 200 insurgents.

The study by Douglas Cubbison of the Army Combat Studies Institute at Fort
Leavenworth, Kan., hasn't been publicly released. Copies of the study have
been leaked to news organizations and are circulating on the Internet.

Cubbison's study is based on extensive interviews with Phillips and other
soldiers who survived the attack at Wanat. He describes a well-coordinated
attack by a highly skilled enemy that unleashed a withering barrage with AK-
47 automatic rifles and rocket-propelled grenades.

The soldiers said their weapons were meticulously cared for and routinely
inspected by commanders. But still the weapons had breakdowns, especially
when the rifles were on full automatic, which allows hundreds of bullets to be
fired a minute.

The platoon-sized unit of U.S. soldiers and about two dozen Afghan troops
was shooting back with such intensity the barrels on their weapons turned
white hot.

Cpl. Jonathan Ayers and Spc. Chris McKaig were firing their M4s from a
position the soldiers called the "Crow's Nest." The pair would pop up together
from cover, fire half a dozen rounds and then drop back down.

On one of these trips up, Ayers was killed instantly by an enemy round.
McKaig soon had problems with his M4, which carries a 30-round magazine.

The soldiers also had trouble with their M249 machine guns, a larger weapon
than the M4 that can shoot up to 750 rounds per minute.

Cpl. Jason Bogar fired approximately 600 rounds from his M-249 before the
weapon overheated and jammed the weapon.

The NEW M4 is so light and portable, it could easily fit down a toilet.

ProfessorMurder · 10-13-2009, 03:37 AM

Obama's indecision on Afghanistan frustrates generals (to the point of resignation?) | Peter Worthington | Columnists | News | Toronto Sun

If he's not careful, U.S. President Barack Obama may face a revolt by his
generals over his dithering on Afghanistan -- sort of a reverse of president
Harry Truman's firing of Gen Douglas MacArthur in the Korean war.

McChrystal has put a cork in it for the time being, but in a series of earlier
interviews he made it plain; if his plea for 40,000 more troops is rejected,
McChrystal may resign his command. Or be fired. That would truly be
the "Chaos-istan," that McChrystal warns is the fate of the war in
Afghanistan if enough troops aren't forthcoming.

Gen. McChrystal squelches talk of pressure, resignation | Jay Bookman

10-06-2009, 05:33 PM	#21 (permalink)
zerodown Mafutero Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PR Posts: 782 Thanks: 41 Thanked 169 Times in 131 Posts	Amazing, most of the country want to end the war, yet most of their representatives can't seem to listen, where is democracy when you need it? Where I live, we have two senatorial chambers, its a chaos, and the people voted to get rid of one of them, we wanted just one, we voted and we won, just one. there are still two, they didn't give a fuck about our votes. democracy at its best. __________________ "I've seen people so poor all they got is money." We have to learn to unlearn Its not contradiction, its amendment Not everything we see is reality Not everything we hear is the truth Not everything we're taught helps us grow ~Cultura Profetica "La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos" ~Roberto Iniesta

10-08-2009, 05:23 PM	#27 (permalink)
ProfessorMurder Jackal Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rio Grande Valley, Texas Posts: 1,270 Thanks: 31 Thanked 125 Times in 99 Posts	Exclusive Apache Pilots Shocked at Size of Attack on Camp Keating - ABC News The U.S. and Afghan army soldiers inside Keating had been reduced in ranks because the camp was scheduled to be closed as part of Gen. Stanley McChrystal's strategy of pulling back from sparsely populated areas to protect population centers instead. The camp is located at the base of two steep mountains, allowing the enemy to fire down on the camp with a powerful .50 caliber machine gun and other heavy guns. The firefight, which killed eight U.S. troops and left 24 soldiers wounded, came as President Obama is formulating a revised strategy for the now eight- year long war in Afghanistan. The camp's generator was hit immediately, plunging the camp into the pre- dawn darkness. Soon the camp was on fire with strong winds fanning it along to additional buildings. Eventually every building in the camp except one was burned. "We were basically surrounded 360 degrees," Shrode said. "I think there were significant numbers [of enemy fighters] throughout the day." Shrode and Souter immediately called for air support. "We had fixed wing [jets] 20 minutes after fight started," Shrode told ABC News. "We had helicopters 20 minutes later.... We had so many different assets up in the air... they were stacked on so many different levels." Nevertheless, the battle raged throughout the morning. There a lull about noon, before the attack resumed. "We had everything we needed. It was just a big attack with a lot of people. Bad things happen, but I think we did well considering the circumstances." He added that cooperation with the air cover ensured that a "bad situation did not turn worse." For the pilots, it was at times difficult to find the enemy. And because of the smoke, visibility was restricted to a half mile. "One of the primary reasons the fight took so long, it is in extreme terrain," said Lewellen, of Clarksville, Tenn. "There are a lot of rocks and a lot of cover. You really can't detect the enemy until they start moving again." Three of the attacking Apaches were damaged by insurgent fire, officials said. By the afternoon, cloud cover moved, ironically revealing the position of enemy gunners. "At that time we were able to see some of the larger muzzle flashes that were a little higher in the mountains," Lewellen said. "We started to eliminate the larger weapons." One concern was a report that several large caliber weapons were trained on the helicopter landing zone, waiting for a Medevac flight to take out the wounded. The Medevac chopper didn't arrive until after 9 p.m. that night under the cover of darkness and after those weapons had been located and destroyed. __________________ "No contaban con mi astucia!"

10-13-2009, 03:22 AM	#28 (permalink)
ProfessorMurder Jackal Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rio Grande Valley, Texas Posts: 1,270 Thanks: 31 Thanked 125 Times in 99 Posts	''My weapon was overheating, so I got mad and threw my weapon down.'' In war, US troops 'complain' about weapons failure He claims that although the US soldiers' weapons were routinely inspected and cared by commanders, the weapons had breakdowns, especially when the rifles were on full automatic, which could have fired hundreds of bullets per minute. ''My weapon was overheating,'' Spc. Chris McKaig said, according to Cubbison's report. ''I had shot about 12 magazines by this point already and it had only been about a half hour or so into the fight. I couldn't charge my weapon and put another round in because it was too hot, so I got mad and threw my weapon down.'' The soldiers also had trouble with their M249 weapons, which is larger than the M4 and can shoot up to 750 rounds per minute. The Associated Press: Weapons failed US troops during Afghan firefight WASHINGTON — In the chaos of an early morning assault on a remote U.S. outpost in eastern Afghanistan, Staff Sgt. Erich Phillips' M4 carbine quit firing as militant forces surrounded the base. The machine gun he grabbed after tossing the rifle aside didn't work either. When the battle in the small village of Wanat ended, nine U.S. soldiers lay dead and 27 more were wounded. A detailed study of the attack by a military historian found that weapons failed repeatedly at a "critical moment" during the firefight on July 13, 2008, putting the outnumbered American troops at risk of being overrun by nearly 200 insurgents. The study by Douglas Cubbison of the Army Combat Studies Institute at Fort Leavenworth, Kan., hasn't been publicly released. Copies of the study have been leaked to news organizations and are circulating on the Internet. Cubbison's study is based on extensive interviews with Phillips and other soldiers who survived the attack at Wanat. He describes a well-coordinated attack by a highly skilled enemy that unleashed a withering barrage with AK- 47 automatic rifles and rocket-propelled grenades. The soldiers said their weapons were meticulously cared for and routinely inspected by commanders. But still the weapons had breakdowns, especially when the rifles were on full automatic, which allows hundreds of bullets to be fired a minute. The platoon-sized unit of U.S. soldiers and about two dozen Afghan troops was shooting back with such intensity the barrels on their weapons turned white hot. Cpl. Jonathan Ayers and Spc. Chris McKaig were firing their M4s from a position the soldiers called the "Crow's Nest." The pair would pop up together from cover, fire half a dozen rounds and then drop back down. On one of these trips up, Ayers was killed instantly by an enemy round. McKaig soon had problems with his M4, which carries a 30-round magazine. The soldiers also had trouble with their M249 machine guns, a larger weapon than the M4 that can shoot up to 750 rounds per minute. Cpl. Jason Bogar fired approximately 600 rounds from his M-249 before the weapon overheated and jammed the weapon. The NEW M4 is so light and portable, it could easily fit down a toilet. __________________ "No contaban con mi astucia!"

10-13-2009, 03:37 AM	#29 (permalink)
ProfessorMurder Jackal Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rio Grande Valley, Texas Posts: 1,270 Thanks: 31 Thanked 125 Times in 99 Posts	Obama's indecision on Afghanistan frustrates generals (to the point of resignation?) \| Peter Worthington \| Columnists \| News \| Toronto Sun If he's not careful, U.S. President Barack Obama may face a revolt by his generals over his dithering on Afghanistan -- sort of a reverse of president Harry Truman's firing of Gen Douglas MacArthur in the Korean war. McChrystal has put a cork in it for the time being, but in a series of earlier interviews he made it plain; if his plea for 40,000 more troops is rejected, McChrystal may resign his command. Or be fired. That would truly be the "Chaos-istan," that McChrystal warns is the fate of the war in Afghanistan if enough troops aren't forthcoming. Gen. McChrystal squelches talk of pressure, resignation \| Jay Bookman __________________ "No contaban con mi astucia!"

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Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7,182 Thanks: 2,372 Thanked 1,984 Times in 1,507 Posts	There is a very simple reason for not ending either war now. Bring the boys home to what ? With near 20% national unemployment. To do what...police America probably. That's alot of payout for "nothing accomplished". Remember always the military's primary goal is to stay "The military". With no active military engagements, promotions come slow, technology advances slow, and funding screeches to a halt.

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