John F. Kerry

or is it take 10 by now?

jesus, every single freaking week the liberal media comes out with new manipulation to "trick stupid people" into thinking that now a few weeks after the biggest groundswell of opposition since the Iraq war, that people have stopped caring about a public option and socializing americans envy of the world healthcare system based on Nancy Pelosis Liberal plans and agenda.

so a new poll comes out that says the tiny flunctuations that come from every poll have occured again, and the pro health reform side has 2 percentage points more support- cue the news articles en mass that the "silent majority" wants socialized medicine and the "momentum is being FIRED UP!!!! OMGZORS!!!" ...

the reason people arent paying as much attention to this and giving obama a chance again is because they thought he REALIZED WHAT A MISTAKE IT WOULD BE TO ATTEMPT TO PASS SUCH A RADICAL SOCIALIST TAKEOVER OF PRIVATE HEATLHCARE BY THE MOST INEPT ORGANIZATION IN AMERICA- THE FEDERAL BEUROCRACY.... they thought he had abandoned the idea, seeing how retarded and unpopular and ultimately ineffective at doing anything they said it would do was, and abandoned it.


but i guess the dailykos and ariana foreignerposingasana merican huffington and the other america haters in the left wing of america just wanna throw more money at this shit and see if they can get enough people confused enough that they can ram thru Pelosis dream plan and keep the people looking at the shiny pictures on tv about how the silent majority really wants to turn america into the USSA.


the dems really act like they WANT to lose power.

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verklingen

there will be as many takes as necessary to get it ingrained in peoples' skulls that something needs to be done. attacking what's being proposed doesn't help, and if it's so terrible it's about damn time something better be proposed. don't ask the gop about that, though. they'll be happy enough to shout down reason and make sure people get riled up before the next election cycle, because of course getting people angry enough to vote one of their own in is better than actually working toward a goal in the spirit of bettering our society

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“Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.”

~1~

Why is it 'the dems' or 'the republicans' or 'liberal' or 'conservative'?

Why is it for us or agin us?

We need to face up that its all our cocks on this rock and when the shit starts hitting the fan, what color tie you wear aint gonna mean squat.









I know I know, thats 'radical hippie' talk there, we'll have none of that peace and love and happiness for our fellow man bullshit here!

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stoneric

The majority of americans are for a public option even after the biggest propaganda blitz since the Iraq illegal invasion/brutal occupation.

Mydriasis

I am for public health-care now, as long as it doesn't raise taxes, it doesn't hurt the medical industry, and it doesn't lower quality of care.

Perhaps the fluctuation of the percentages is because people are changing their minds?

I just have so little faith in the government that I would rather see some people die, than doom a whole country. But now I see the whole economic melt-down being a driving force for this, and if 10%+ of people are unemployed, that's 10% of people that if they need assistance will be forced to go without.

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verklingen

shepard smith rebuts jwonder:



damn, even fox news is reporting 60% support for a public option. . .

"every vote against a public option is a vote for the insurance companies" word up shep

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John F. Kerry

so it was basically obamas plan all along to destroy the economy and then get people dependant on it for their life .


i hope that u anti-imperialists and u people who were so anti war etc realize how this will put the gov't so much more deeply in charge of your shit that u wont even be free anymore. already they are gonna write laws that will let them tax u twice as high if you eat too much or smoke, just imagine what it will mean for us ILLEGAL POT SMOKERS when we try to get GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTH CARE and they say, ok please piss here first. ill bet ull be really happy about the gov't being in charge of whether u live or die then.

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Mydriasis

Actually I never thought about that. I bet if you fail a piss test you'd get fucked in the ass for trying to get health-care. And paying 2 times as much because of body-weight or smoking sound like the same problem as before just now it's in the hands of the government. Does this also mean that the government will have access to all of your medical records?

hmmm, see I'm in the middle ground again. I can't seem to pick a side.

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verklingen

there is really nothing to base any of your projections on. a major criticism i've heard here and elsewhere has been "it will allow illegals to join in." so what is it: is it going to be so lax that aliens can get in, or so tight and regulated that drug users would be denied? and even if what you say came to pass, if someone is sick, needs care and also smokes marijuana i don't think they'd have a hard time choosing to live with health instead of weed. but i still think it's baseless. stop stirring shit with your unbalanced notions plz, and try to think about it seriously

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“Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.”

John F. Kerry

exactly as u say wed be fucked for our health choices, the govt would have access to our medical histories etcetcetc..


the people who say that the "hypotheticals are baseless" are really quite disingenuous- anyone with half a wit sees how the government having all your medical records and then being able to make decisions on your health care and what u will be entitled to based on politics and based on regression analysises and shit will not be good and the only hypothetical thing that happening is that they will likely do 10x the bad shit with our info and their newfound allmighty power over our livs then we can even think of now....

in the end, whatever the government did with your care- you would have NO CHOICE- it would be like every socialized medicine country - take what they give u or be forced to pay far more than u used to have to pay on private insurance to get even average care rather than waiting 5 weeks for "free" care.

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verklingen

i'm not saying hypotheticals are baseless, just yours. you are projecting your belief that a public option will set about driving insurance companies out of competition and leave big government free to sweep in and take total control. in the past i've asked you to answer why that hasn't happened with our higher learning system, within which both private and public universities thrive.

still haven't heard back on that but no, we're not talking about a government takeover of healthcare. even fox news is saying THAT is disingenuous. this is why i call what you're saying baseless, because neither you nor anyone else can provide a base for it.

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im not saying hypotheticals are baseless either, they illustrate how public health care would be both inequitable and sub par quality .

will america continue to be unique and the center of the free market and the place where people dont think about rationing coupons for liver transplants and death panels that decide if your worth saving based on which political party you have donated money to in your life, or will it go the way of all the other socialists who gave up liberty for security?

the government wants class warfare plain and simple, otherwise i cant imagine why they would push a plan so strongy that only benefits those who dont have anything and thus is a handout or if u wanna be nice about it an entitlement. the people who are dying from no healthcare because they didnt feel like getting it until they were 50 and didnt take care of themselves their whole life and then go to the healthcare counter the same way theyve become acustomed to going to the wellfare counter, its almost like how can u even count those people? they would support any crazy batshit insane idea anybody came up with if its like c'mon in enter the cash cab! oh u dont want free money? hmmm....

as ive said before its amazing to me that like 95% of people arent in favor of these handouts as they would be the ones getting it- at least half those people see how wrong or at least not any better than what we have now, wealth redistribution in a time of 10% unemployment is-


if 10% of people dont have jobs and need the gov'ts support now- and then the gov't passes this shit, soon it will be 20%, and in the minds of democrats thats just 20% of the vote they will have a lock on by giving them handouts and forcing class warfare which will cause unemployment to rise even higher....

AND it will put the gov't in charge of your health.


Obama surrounded by doctors in the rose garden- it could be the opening scene in some friggen horror movie imo.

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Ego Tripping

Know what's crazy? People here were accusing Bush of trying to place himself as a Dictator and you scoffed at them...and now we see by the released memos, that's exactly what he was trying to do.

Perhaps you can learn from history, and from everyone here who was right all along, and realize you're brainwashed to the utmost degree.

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verklingen

they illustrate that those things COULD happen, but don't explain how or why. it must be magic!! red commie magic, you see

really man, you're just making a fool of yourself now. start explaining how you see these things happening if you ever want to be taken with even a hint of seriousness

edit-
no shit ego. . . no shit

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verklingen

/facepalm

maybe it's because a lot of people don't have anything and it's a great burden on society? maybe? oh no class warfare makes a shitton more sense. . .

really, how can you honestly accuse the democrats of trying to start a class war when it's gop-friendly organizations (aside from insurance companies) propagating lies and orchestrating much of the town hall outcry? what about that census worker who was found hanged with "FED" scrawled across his carcass? that sounds a lot more serious to me than your imagined class war that's being commenced by our current administration who has merely favored a public healthcare option for those who need it. christ, you really are dismally inept at fucking thinking

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stoneric

This thread is deja vu all over again.

John F. Kerry

but stoneric the liberal media tells me the tide is turning and every american boy and girl has picked up a hammer and sickle now?

deja vu would imply that people are still voiceferously against it oui?

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JcP

QFMFT.

However, I have also gained a more tolerant outlook on those who are claiming the sky is falling.

While I think their facts are non-existant and they are being driven by fear and "mob" mentality, I can appreciate the feeling of helplessness they must feel...for 8 years I felt like the world was conspiring against me, that America was destroying itself, and we had an imbicile for president.

While I think the opposite is true now, I can at least accept the fact that some people must feel now what I felt then.

That being said, this gives ZERO credibility to their unsubstantiated "zomg communizms!" claims or their lack of coherancy with the line they were towing less than a year ago (where were you when Bush was ballooning the budget, making bad foreign policy decisions, or using a republican congress to push through his agenda without listening to the other side?! NOW it's wrong to push through partisan bills, GOOD to lose the olympics, and BAD to increase the deficit?! Fuck you.), but it at least gives me the ability to have compassion for those who feel this way.

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Just look out around us, people fightin their wars...
They think they'll be happy when they've settled their scores...
Let's lay down our weapons
and hold us apart
be still for just a minute
try to open our hearts
MORE LOVE.

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Originally Posted by The Rev It's not what you see, it's that you're looking.

Makros_01

once again proving that i dont understand!
your health care is not much better than Zambias.. and yet you presume that your way is the way?
the life expectancy of Americans is on a par with many third world countries.

wake up and smell the coffee boys and girls..
the reason we're better than in the past is because we all decided that if we're gonna work our arses off for the new owlr dorder of serfdon, the government has to keep us healthy..
and yet here some of you are... John F..! .. aguing that you dont even deserve that

what DO you deserve for your taxes if its not longevity>?

fuck!
so funny to watch as an outsider.. the word socialist is like poison to your debates..

its like the gop got you all to lose for yourselves with a penstroke in the 50's.
now youre all running scared, as though Mcarthy will come back from the grave and blacklist you for wanting healthy kids..

fuck
i mean

FFFUCK!

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John F. Kerry

if u dont think its better than zambia then u are just misinformed mang, im not arguing to keep something that sucks

the primary problems with our healthcare system are cost and access, if our healthcare is as good as zambia then why do royalty and famous people from all over the world come to america for amazing miracle treatments.

the primary problems of our healthcare system cannot and WILL NOT be solved by switching over to socialist care- u cant create more healthcare for less money you will simply REDISTRIBUTE it. and if the dems were interested in fixing it in a bipartisan way they would not continue to try to slide their ideas in and manipulate public opinion at every possible chance.

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