Barack Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize

DdC · 10-09-2009, 04:21 AM

In a surprise, Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize

"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," the committee said. "His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population."

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Mercury · 10-09-2009, 04:31 AM

That is surprising. I don't know why, but it is. Good for him.

John F. Kerry · 10-09-2009, 05:42 AM

just about to make this thread

wtf?

now if he ever ends up not having the history of being a former president to get 200k per speech he could have the cred of a nobel laureate to get like 100k per speech.

but seriously, wtf?

i mean wtf?

well they did give it to henry kissinger in 72 2 years before the vietnam war ended so i guess the nobel prize goes to people who will make peace in the future.

the nobel group would make be a lot more prestigious if they would show everyone their time machine rather than just focus on giving out peace prizes of the future.

too bad the nobel committe isnt the same as the ioc committe.

Mull D · 10-09-2009, 05:50 AM

He's sending 40000 more troops to Afghanistan to help continue this war that has nothing to do with 9/11 and that most Americans are unhappy that we're involved in, Afghani people don't want us there, Iraqis don't want us in their country. WTF indeed.

Hedons · 10-09-2009, 06:06 AM

Once again showing what a joke the Nobel Prize has become.

-Hedons

verklingen · 10-09-2009, 07:20 AM

the prize is and always has been more about encouragement than accomplishment. i think it's good

MannyBoy · 10-09-2009, 07:34 AM

Good for Obama and good for the world.

I am happy to see the world community viewing our leadership as pro-peace and less "might makes right". As far as Obama's actual steps toward peace, he is making good on his pledge to end American involvement in Iraq. I don't think this would have been the case with J. McCain.

On the other hand, as mention by another poster earlier, he is contemplating sending more military force to Afghanistan. This is troubling from a peacemaking perspective. I know the argument is more forces will get the job done and get us out more quickly. However, it seems kind of backward to me. More force = peace.

Let us keep the cause of peace for the good of all alive.

Mikey · 10-09-2009, 09:03 AM

I don't know much about politics, but why would the president of a nation that's at war with 2 countries get a Nobel Peace Prize?

Mikey · 10-09-2009, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MannyBoy

Good for Obama and good for the world.

I am happy to see the world community viewing our leadership as pro-peace and less "might makes right". As far as Obama's actual steps toward peace, he is making good on his pledge to end American involvement in Iraq. I don't think this would have been the case with J. McCain.

On the other hand, as mention by another poster earlier, he is contemplating sending more military force to Afghanistan. This is troubling from a peacemaking perspective. I know the argument is more forces will get the job done and get us out more quickly. However, it seems kind of backward to me. More force = peace.

Let us keep the cause of peace for the good of all alive.

again...peace prize?

verklingen · 10-09-2009, 09:07 AM

in hopes that he will resolve them peaceably my man. i'm hoping this honor will re-invigorate the anti-war resolve we saw early in his campaign

and he said he would definitely increase troops in afghanistan late in his campaign, but he's been holding off. . . so much so that the pentagon is growing upset. it's a good sign i'd say

Mikey · 10-09-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by verklingen

in hopes that he will resolve them peaceably my man. i'm hoping this honor will re-invigorate the anti-war resolve we saw early in his campaign

and he said he would definitely increase troops in afghanistan late in his campaign, but he's been holding off. . . so much so that the pentagon is growing upset. it's a good sign i'd say

i sure hope so.
call me inpatient but it has been 9 months.

Ego Tripping · 10-09-2009, 09:16 AM

Considering the massively ratcheted down war-probing rhetoric that this administration has been using, especially compared to a previous president that couldn't get enough of it ("bring it on"), especially in the face of a very belligerent Iran and North Korea (both of which are being more calmed than antagonized), I can see why the world has been sighing relief to a large enough degree to award Obama with this. Not to mention his effort to try and close Guantanamo, which I do think will happen during his term but I never expected it within anywhere near the first year of his taking office.

He's obviously a man largely of peace...and seem to desire peace. Afghanistan is a lot more complex than any other issue and the obvious choice is to pull out completely. But I feel if he did that, it would step on so many toes within the Military Industrial Complex, he might got he way of JFK.

If anything, I think his being awarded this prize though is showing how much the world really is conspiring to be more peaceful. The pressure is on Obama and I think he's fully aware of that...perhaps this could be an impetus for him to realize how essential its going to be to finally change our mid-east foreign policy when it comes to military action, no matter what the cost...but I'm sure he's nervous about doing such a thing...and for good reason.

stoneric · 10-09-2009, 12:30 PM

I was also encouraged by obama standing up to the pentegon and not going the mccorpse way and give them "anything they need". Still, withdrawing is off the table. The man sent drones to Pakistan 3 days after being sworn in. That eliminates him from any award with the word peace in it. Give it to someone who actually lives their life for the cause and not someone who's qualifications are he's better than our previous war mongering idiot.

Ego Tripping · 10-09-2009, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoneric

I was also encouraged by obama standing up to the pentegon and not going the mccorpse way and give them "anything they need". Still, withdrawing is off the table. The man sent drones to Pakistan 3 days after being sworn in. That eliminates him from any award with the word peace in it. Give it to someone who actually lives their life for the cause and not someone who's qualifications are he's better than our previous war mongering idiot.

Granted...but here are their words verbatim:

Quote:

"Obama has as president created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts."

I must admit, he has really stressed his dedication to diplomacy...but that doesn't mean he can stop all the wars at the drop of a hat...this guy can't even talk about healthcare without being called a traitor or a socialist...imagine if he tried to withdraw all forces from the Middle East? The right would have a shitfit that would make the current political climate seem like a new years party. One could be rest assured if he tried to really ratchet down our occupation there, he would be called a terrorist from every Republican from around the country and would only create further distraction from attempting to fix any domestic problems that we face.

It's not so much that he's just "not Bush"...it's the dramatic break in the policies of how to deal with international affairs. I feel we'd already be at with with Iran if any other candidate got into office...maybe even North Korea. Even in the short amount of time he's been in office, the amount he's shifted the political spectrum as well as the perception of the United States throughout the international community is nothing short of astounding. The polarity is palpable and in some ways too hard to ignore. I do feel this award might be a bit premature in terms of the amount of time he's in office, but I do see the unique situation that surrounds Obama and why it merits recognition.

John F. Kerry · 10-09-2009, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

Granted...but here are their words verbatim:

I must admit, he has really stressed his dedication to diplomacy...but that doesn't mean he can stop all the wars at the drop of a hat...this guy can't even talk about healthcare without being called a traitor or a socialist...imagine if he tried to withdraw all forces from the Middle East? The right would have a shitfit that would make the current political climate seem like a new years party. One could be rest assured if he tried to really ratchet down our occupation there, he would be called a terrorist from every Republican from around the country and would only create further distraction from attempting to fix any domestic problems that we face.

It's not so much that he's just "not Bush"...it's the dramatic break in the policies of how to deal with international affairs. I feel we'd already be at with with Iran if any other candidate got into office...maybe even North Korea. Even in the short amount of time he's been in office, the amount he's shifted the political spectrum as well as the perception of the United States throughout the international community is nothing short of astounding. The polarity is palpable and in some ways too hard to ignore. I do feel this award might be a bit premature in terms of the amount of time he's in office, but I do see the unique situation that surrounds Obama and why it merits recognition.

i agree with your point about how he cant do the liberal thing and withdraw all the troops, but i dont think its necessarily because of why u said, i personally believe obama is a prety moderate middle of the road guy.

u dont graduate from harvard without being somewhat well rounded and intelligent, even if u are liberal, dont forget many dems were strident anti communists and didnt have any problems with wars as long as they were just and we were doing the right thing.

obama has stood up to the liberals in congress and i applaud him for it- if he manages to keep standing up to them i think he will win reelection pretty easily, but he will basically have to keep fighting the fringes of his own party if he wants to maitain the confidence of the nation.

al-Mu'akhkhir · 10-09-2009, 02:05 PM

lol so much for the reputation of the nobel peace prize. I guess we know that the people handing those out are in kahootz with the people backing barack obama.

osirus2020 · 10-09-2009, 02:18 PM

Who's in charge of distributing the Nobel peace prize? They have to be out of their minds.

stoneric · 10-09-2009, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

Granted...but here are their words verbatim:

I must admit, he has really stressed his dedication to diplomacy...but that doesn't mean he can stop all the wars at the drop of a hat...this guy can't even talk about healthcare without being called a traitor or a socialist...imagine if he tried to withdraw all forces from the Middle East? The right would have a shitfit that would make the current political climate seem like a new years party. One could be rest assured if he tried to really ratchet down our occupation there, he would be called a terrorist from every Republican from around the country and would only create further distraction from attempting to fix any domestic problems that we face.

It's not so much that he's just "not Bush"...it's the dramatic break in the policies of how to deal with international affairs. I feel we'd already be at with with Iran if any other candidate got into office...maybe even North Korea. Even in the short amount of time he's been in office, the amount he's shifted the political spectrum as well as the perception of the United States throughout the international community is nothing short of astounding. The polarity is palpable and in some ways too hard to ignore. I do feel this award might be a bit premature in terms of the amount of time he's in office, but I do see the unique situation that surrounds Obama and why it merits recognition.

Stopping wars at the drop of the hat and escalating a hopeless situation are miles apart. I really don't care that it was part of his campaign promise, it should get you eliminated from the award he recieved. If they worded it in a way to ignore his warmongering, it doesn't make it right.

stoneric · 10-09-2009, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

i agree with your point about how he cant do the liberal thing and withdraw all the troops, but i dont think its necessarily because of why u said, i personally believe obama is a prety moderate middle of the road guy.

u dont graduate from harvard without being somewhat well rounded and intelligent, even if u are liberal, dont forget many dems were strident anti communists and didnt have any problems with wars as long as they were just and we were doing the right thing.

obama has stood up to the liberals in congress and i applaud him for it- if he manages to keep standing up to them i think he will win reelection pretty easily, but he will basically have to keep fighting the fringes of his own party if he wants to maitain the confidence of the nation.

The liberal thing. The libertarian thing. The conservative thing. What's left? Idiots like you.

kameelyun · 10-09-2009, 02:42 PM

I'm too pissed off to even type anything, so I'll leave it to my friend Keenan to sum it up for me:

So let me get this straight. The new president of the United States empire who has been in office less than 9 months but has already proven bayond a doubt to be just as much of a war monger as President Bush and has gone back on all his biggest pre-election promises to end the fraudulent war in the Middle East, but instead has expanded the war of agression in Afganistan while NOT ending the war of aggression in Iraq, is a peace maker? In fact, not only has this lying POS expanded the fraudulent "War on Terror" (read War of Terror), he has also defended torture, provided critical support for an illigitimate regime called Israel which through their illegal enslavement and occupation of Palestine and Gaza has created the largest concentration camp in the world, while participating in the same, identical, lying drum-beating war rhetoric against Iran that was used to start the war of aggression in Iraq and continuing to perpetuate the lie (now going on more than a year) that Iran threatened to "wipe Israel off the map".

This is beyond nonsensical. Even Orwell would roll in his grave at this mind boggling farce.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. It is not merely that at present the rule of naked force obtains almost everywhere… Bully-worship, under various disguises, has become a universal religion, and such truisms as that a machine-gun is still a machine-gun even when a "good" man is squeezing the trigger… have turned into heresies. – George Orwell, Review of Power: A New Social Analysis by Bertrand Russell in Adelphi (January 1939)

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.– Tacitus, Agricola, (98), end of ch. 30.

Translation: To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace. Oxford Revised Translation (at Project Gutenberg)

Tacitus is quoting the British chief, Calgacus, in his speech to British soldiers, stating the irony between Rome’s acts of empire and the inscription upon Roman medals of "peace given to the world." Solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant (they make a desert, and call it peace) is often quoted alone

Obama wins Orwellian "Peace" prize while expanding war, defending torture, targeting Iran

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verklingen Radical Dreamer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: texas Posts: 8,031 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,470 Times in 940 Posts	the prize is and always has been more about encouragement than accomplishment. i think it's good __________________ “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” rip matt

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verklingen Radical Dreamer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: texas Posts: 8,031 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,470 Times in 940 Posts	in hopes that he will resolve them peaceably my man. i'm hoping this honor will re-invigorate the anti-war resolve we saw early in his campaign and he said he would definitely increase troops in afghanistan late in his campaign, but he's been holding off. . . so much so that the pentagon is growing upset. it's a good sign i'd say __________________ “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” rip matt

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Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,461 Thanks: 229 Thanked 657 Times in 438 Posts	Considering the massively ratcheted down war-probing rhetoric that this administration has been using, especially compared to a previous president that couldn't get enough of it ("bring it on"), especially in the face of a very belligerent Iran and North Korea (both of which are being more calmed than antagonized), I can see why the world has been sighing relief to a large enough degree to award Obama with this. Not to mention his effort to try and close Guantanamo, which I do think will happen during his term but I never expected it within anywhere near the first year of his taking office. He's obviously a man largely of peace...and seem to desire peace. Afghanistan is a lot more complex than any other issue and the obvious choice is to pull out completely. But I feel if he did that, it would step on so many toes within the Military Industrial Complex, he might got he way of JFK. If anything, I think his being awarded this prize though is showing how much the world really is conspiring to be more peaceful. The pressure is on Obama and I think he's fully aware of that...perhaps this could be an impetus for him to realize how essential its going to be to finally change our mid-east foreign policy when it comes to military action, no matter what the cost...but I'm sure he's nervous about doing such a thing...and for good reason. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day. Last edited by Ego Tripping; 10-09-2009 at 09:18 AM.

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Mercury Special Delivery Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: The States Posts: 8,190 Thanks: 294 Thanked 799 Times in 537 Posts	That is surprising. I don't know why, but it is. Good for him.

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Mull D Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 4,584 Thanks: 455 Thanked 156 Times in 81 Posts	He's sending 40000 more troops to Afghanistan to help continue this war that has nothing to do with 9/11 and that most Americans are unhappy that we're involved in, Afghani people don't want us there, Iraqis don't want us in their country. WTF indeed.

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MannyBoy YaHookan Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 58 Thanks: 20 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Good for Obama and good for the world. I am happy to see the world community viewing our leadership as pro-peace and less "might makes right". As far as Obama's actual steps toward peace, he is making good on his pledge to end American involvement in Iraq. I don't think this would have been the case with J. McCain. On the other hand, as mention by another poster earlier, he is contemplating sending more military force to Afghanistan. This is troubling from a peacemaking perspective. I know the argument is more forces will get the job done and get us out more quickly. However, it seems kind of backward to me. More force = peace. Let us keep the cause of peace for the good of all alive.

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stoneric bougeman Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,223 Thanks: 431 Thanked 1,246 Times in 892 Posts	I was also encouraged by obama standing up to the pentegon and not going the mccorpse way and give them "anything they need". Still, withdrawing is off the table. The man sent drones to Pakistan 3 days after being sworn in. That eliminates him from any award with the word peace in it. Give it to someone who actually lives their life for the cause and not someone who's qualifications are he's better than our previous war mongering idiot.

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al-Mu'akhkhir Vem Para Ficar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: in some pussy Posts: 3,265 Thanks: 500 Thanked 351 Times in 270 Posts	lol so much for the reputation of the nobel peace prize. I guess we know that the people handing those out are in kahootz with the people backing barack obama. __________________

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