kameelyun

A friend and I were just discussing this last night.

Folk, look at this close up, high resolution, color image of the lunar module.

Now call me crazy (I'm sure some no doubt will), but: Is it just me or does this "lunar module" look more than anything like a prop for a high school theater set? It's so non-symmetrical and looks like it's largely made of paper and curtain rods. Are we supposed to look at this and actually believe man landed on the moon in this thing? Doesn't it look like someone took their fist and punched a hole in it, ripping the construction paper?

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Flamingnun

What does your lunar landing module look like?

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verklingen

come on, really?

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scottishbastard

I dunno. It does look kind of crappy, but I have nothing to compare it to. How about the moon landing as a whole?

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stateofkane

You would think they would have done a better job staging the moon landing, but they got sloppy no doubt.

If they can send a rocket into space then they can land someone on the moon. It isn't that far away.

verklingen

seriously wtf

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kameelyun

I am very well aware that according to official history we've been six times. With regard to your second statement: Is there any official (or unofficial) documentation of this?

Actually, the FOX TV special in 2000 made the point that there are no telescopes, on earth itself, which are powerful enough to zoom all the way in to the original Apollo site.

Last year (or the year before), unmanned Japanese spacecraft apparently took pictures of every square inch of the moon. One would think that they would have released photos of our original landing site in order to put the conspiracy theories to rest.

Believe it or not, Terry, I would rather believe that we did go. It is, after all, considered to be mankind's ultimate achievement. I've become skeptical of it after examining some of the arguments in favor of the hoax, but as I do not have the specific astronautic expertise, I have been trying to give the official history defenders some benefit of doubt...

To be frank, it was looking at the photo presented in my OP which has made me most suspicious of all... more than the arguments about un-parallel shadows, no blast crater, flag flapping in the wind, etc. I really find it extremely difficult to look at that photo and actually believe that that thing is not made of construction paper and curtain rods.

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kameelyun

For those who have NOT seen the well known Fox TV program, which was slanted surprisingly in favor of the hoax, here it is. It should be noted that the NASA spokesman who was brought in to defend the official story was unable to provide any cogent arguments in rebuttal.

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stateofkane

^ You believe in every conspiracy theory. Is there any major event where you believe the official story?

I can understand believing in a few, but you make it look really bad believing in so many. You reaffirm my belief that conspiracy theorists are nuts.

Sugar420

yes there was a mythbusters episode about this that seemed pretty convincing

this is neither current nor political

kameelyun

Please don't compare this to OKC or 9/11. Those events' official explanations are false beyond a shadow of a doubt. If you can't see through the official explanations of those events there's no hope. I will debate anyone any time on those false flag attacks.

I'm still agnostic on this however. I am open to all views, but from you I'm hearing a clear confirmation bias in favor of the official history.

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kameelyun

Houston, we have a problem: original moon walk footage erased

Besides, it's a moot point. If, say, the moon landings were faked, the video tapes would be coming from the very people suspected of perpetrating the hoax.

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kameelyun

...at that time, the suggestion on the Soviet Union's part that we were faking this just beat them in the cold war, might have been inflammatory enough to possibly trigger a full blown war.

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Sugar420

oh terry you went there
i feel the same way tho. nutty ppl believe nutty things and put a lot of effort and energy into discussing such nuttiness, never ever ever with any resolution ever until eternity.
even if some of these nutty things were true (which i dont believe) it would not matter because no amount of internet threads and cable access tv shows will ever change them.
the sad thing is that these are distractions from real things that are really happening

kameelyun

Not trying to be insulting, just calling a spade a spade.

I'm sure you've found space and space travel very interesting to read about.

But just so we're on the same page, I hope you do realize that several retired NASA scientists who were involved in the Apollo program in the '60's believe it was staged, Bill Kaysing being the primary one.

Have you watched the video I embedded?

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kameelyun

You mean, from the really important stories like the balloon boy hoax?

I guess the people with the physics knowledge were being "conspiracy theorists" when they suggested that the balloon would not have been able to carry a 40 pound boy?

Food for thought: Imagine if the media and law enforcement officials had never questioned the father's "official story," but rather, took the father's words as gospel without question, like the national media took the "truth" of JFK, Apollo, OKC and 9/11 as gospel without question.

When that boy said, "We did this for the show," it was the "WTC 7" moment, the Achilles heel, of the father's official explanation.

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kameelyun

Your premise is incorrect. I do not believe in every conspiracy theory. History has thousands of major events. So even if I believed 9/11 was an inside job, the moon landings were faked and that Oswald didn't kill Kennedy, and that McVeigh and Nichols didn't act alone, that's still "a few." I don't believe Elvis is alive*, I don't believe the govt. is hiding evidence of aliens, I don't believe George Bush ordered the New Orleans levies to be blown up, I don't believe the US govt created the 2004 Tsunami in Asia with a nuclear device at the bottom of the ocean... I could go on and on with which ones I don't believe.

Secondly I have not stated a "belief" that the moon landings were staged, though at this point (especially after looking at the photo in my OP) I'm feeling more than 50% about this one.

Thirdly, perhaps JFK, Apollo, OKC and 9/11 are so widely doubted because the evidence that the official stories are not true is very compelling.

Fourthly, a "conspiracy" is when two or more people agree in secret to do something illegal and/or immoral. A "conspiracy theory" therefore is simply a hypothesis as to who is responsible. In the case of OKC and 9/11 we are ALL conspiracy theorists.

Fifthly, when you wake up to the fact that 9/11 is a massive deception, it makes you dig further and when you do, you realize that 9/11 is in many ways the tip of the iceberg.

That being said, I'm glad that any topic is open for discussion at Yahooka, because at my 9/11 truth activist sites, discussion of the "moon landing hoax" is generally prohibited because they don't want to be perceived as "conspiracy theorists" in the stereotypical sense of the word.


*or that Paul is dead

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stateofkane

I will always be suspicious of 9/11 and who was really involved. OKC not so much. The moon landing is easy to swallow because so many space launches have been successful.

Canuck Wisdom

When you conduct a propaganda mission you create evidence both for and against the truth of it. By doing so you gain some control over the direction of beliefs from either side.

9/11 for example; if it was a false flag attack (which I believe it was), the people behind it would also have released information to support that idea, but mislead from the truth. Or create misleading suspicions.

The video posted with the fox program feels like that to me. Trying to 'guide' our ideas on a 'moon landing hoax'.

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kameelyun

Very, very true.

With 9/11, in the early days there were some "inside job" websites (none of which exist anymore, or at least receive almost no traffic) which promoted really bad information. A Karl Rove style dirty trick: take a real conclusion (9/11 was an inside job) and support it with phony evidence (pods, space beams, holograph planes, missile/global hawk hit the pentagon etc.) so that later a hit piece can come out to discredit the "conspiracy theorists" who used the wrong information to come to the right conclusion.

With 9/11, however, such bogus theories were never propagated by a mainstream media special though; they were usually propagated by seemingly grass roots activist "truth seeking" sites.

Whenever the corporate media does a 9/11 special, it's to "debunk" the truth movement and affirm the "truth" of the official story. Each and every hit piece on 9/11 truth (Nat. Geo., BBC Conspiracy Files) is disgustingly slanted toward the official story. That's why I find the Fox Moon program to be such a weird anomaly. A corporate piece slanted heavily toward the hoax being true.

Anything in particular, other than the X-files style graphics and music?

Thanks for your level-headed post.

Out of curiosity CW, what do you think of the photo in the OP?

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