Mydriasis

I mean sure Fox news is biased but most news agencies are. Why do you people think the white-house would not invite fox-news to cover an announcement but invite every other new's agency?

Isn't that facism, when the government controls the media? All I can say is... Hold on to your hats...

if what I have heard is untrue please let me know, I don't always get my new's straight but this is what I was told and saw on T.V....

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Article - http://www.rcfp.org/newsitems/index.php?i=11081

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John F. Kerry

whenever i hear chris matthews talk about the tea baggers etcetc. it just makes me laugh because some people really act like msnbc is unbiased and fox isnt.

obama himself said that the other news networks are so great and wonderful but that fox is a "talk radio format" and not worth his time.


its just ridiculous, obama has this tendancy to pick the worst battles where he ends up looking stupid and small...

clearly fox is biased, clearly msnbc is biased, clearly they are both news stations, and clearly trying to get everyone to boycot fox but not msnbc by calling one a news orgnaization and the other not a real news organization is absolutely ridiculous.

obama has become so accustomed to positive glowing news coverage that when he doesnt get it he doesnt even think its news... mr president news doesnt mean agrees with you - it means news. just because 95% of the liberal news media still has a hardon for you doesnt give u the right to call those who havent swallowed your bs hook line and sinker not news.

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Mydriasis

Well the thing is, none of the other news stations showed up. Which is a good thing, because as soon as the government can completely control the press is quite possibly the death of any hope for freedom...

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John F. Kerry

yea im glad they did that. obama obviously went to far on this one

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JcP

since the white house does not control the media (as evident by the need to do this), it's not fascism.

Fascism includes a lot more than government controlled media, but it's part of it. And, frankly, Fox News during the bush administration was far more "fascist" than this.

I disagree with not allowing fox to be present for press releases or whatever, but I see nothing wrong at all with calling them out for what they are and refusing to give them interviews or anything else.

the argument being made by the white house (and aptly so, if you ask me), is that Fox News is NOT a news channel...it's an OpEd channel pretending to be a news channel. So they aren't preventing news agencies that trend conservative (the wall street journal, for instance), they are preventing a propoganda channel pretending to be "fair and balanced."
Michael Medved...a pretty stringent GOP talking-head admitted today that Fox needs to either drop the facade of "fair and balanced" and admit who they are, or bring journalism back onto their channel.
Can this argument be made about MSNBC's opinion shows like The Ed Show and Countdown? Sure. But MSNBC pundts ADMIT they are liberal and their shows are OPINION. If Hannity and Beck and O'Reilly would own up to the fact that their shows are not NEWS shows or some sort of objective "fair and balanced" assessment of things, this wouldn't be an issue. But they don't. By the way that leads us to...

Bush white house froze out MSNBC...and the GOP had no problem with that. Shoe's on the other foot and suddenly it's armageddon.

Personally, I think it's a wonderful opportunity for conservatives to learn their lesson(s) about how it feels to be on the other side of the equation and not repeat the behavior in the future.

the "neo-con" view of the world is not based on facts. It's based on belief and emotion (see: Glen Beck). Naturally, Neo-con thinking leads to the view that ALL MEDIA is LIBERAL. Fox News is simply a refuge for those unable to accept the fact that reality has an apparent "liberal" bias as Stephen Colbert once aptly noted.
MSNBC's opinion programming is definately liberal. Their NEWS, however, is not. Fox's newscasts contain the kind of crap that makes thinking men cringe..."terrorist fist jab" being my all time favorite.

CNN has frickin Lou Dobbs...but they're part of the liberal agenda. MSNBC has Joe Scarborough...but they are "in on it." There is not a single liberal voice on Fox News, minus the occasional "guest" who gets mocked or asked obscenely ridiculous questions like "do you hate America."

I watch Fox News on occasion (Hannity being the only one on that channel who I truly cannot sit through), and it's FASCINATING that people watch it as news.

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stoneric

Fox news is a joke but the white house shouldn't lower itself and get in a pissing match with any "news" outlet. Olbermann has turned into an obama schill and is an equal joke.

Hedons

Here is President Obama's White House Communications Director Anita Dunn talking about focusing on "making" the news media cover certain issues while rarely communicating anything to the press unless it was "controlled,"

"Very rarely did we communicate through the press anything that we didn't absolutely control," said Dunn.



-Hedons

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verklingen

^ isn't everything released to the press -- i.e. "press releases" -- absolutely controlled by whatever agency is putting it out? what makes our current administration a special case? good god the cynicism i'm seeing in respose to every issue or non-issue is simply staggering.

anyway, rupert murdoc has thanked the administration for upping their ratings thanks to this controversy. i personally believe the move appends a false veracity to the message fox news is putting out, while making it seem like it's trying to be covered up. still, something should have been done about this long ago. while bush was a lame duck it was admitted that fox news operated as the propaganda arm of his administration. during the campaign nearly all coverage was oped drivel on how obama was unfit to lead, not to be trusted, or bent on destroying america. and that still continues to this day, amid lies and distortions about healthcare reform.

it's a lot to handle, and i can understand being fed up enough to make a brash move such as this. still, the actual damage being done to our institutions by fox news far outweighs the mere semblance of damage barring them from events may bring. and i don't even say that as a matter of opinion.

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Ego Tripping

Exactly. The White House didn't really do anything except stop an entertainment network masquerading as a news network from coming to a press conference, where actual reporters would be attending.

And that video is a bit out of context for this thread. They are referring to campaigning. I mean, are you kidding me? Tell me one campaign camp of any candidate that doesn't try and control what comes through the media. The Obama camp was just better at it, as opposed to McCain's, but they alllllllll do it. Obama's camp was smarter and more efficient than the rest, but that has nothing to do with facism.

Now let me know when Obama hand selects the 2-3 networks that will be attending. Then there's something to be concerned about. Otherwise, this is just paranoia at it's finest. Seems to be a lot of that going around these days.

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Mydriasis

I don't know how obama even falls into this. I guess I didn't mean "facism" I meant "facist".

Shouldn't every news station have the right to cover any story even if they are biased?

I mean msnbc is fucking biased but why should the government be able to pick and chose who can cover what? That is unless they couldn't allow bad press to be released about them? Am I right in thinking that?

Who cares if fox news sucks ass, it should have every right to cover any story that anyone else is. It is so a news channel, because it does cover the news JCP. Yeah the Orielly show is straight dog shit but it actually does cover the news if you ever tried to watch it...

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Ego Tripping

News shouldn't have to be something you need to 'try' and watch. They are not journalists, they are just opinion makers with journalism passes. I think the Tea Party ad that Fox News ran was very revealing about their desire to want to appear as news:



If you have to literally change your tagline to read "We cover all the news"...it's a fair bet to say you probably don't.

And Mydriasis, along those lines, that's a slippery slope. What stops an outright propaganda arm from simply slapping the name "news" on their network and then distorting the content of the conference into unadulterated propaganda that is meant to only add fuel to a fire? Furthermore, Fox organized the tea party movement...how can a News network organize a protest and still be considered news still? They crossed the line a long time ago from being news to being simple propaganda for the GOP. At some point, the network would need to be called out for not being news...and that's what is happening. And damnit, it's beautiful.

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Hedons

Yes, the White House (under any administration) releases what they want us to know and doesn't release what they don't want us to know.

Pre-chewed, carefully phrased, and designed for maximum gain.

I think though that what distinguishes this situation is that the current administration pompously tries to claim the moral high ground by claiming openness, honesty, and transparency in an effort to cut through the very behaviors they themselves are engaging in.

It's the nature of the beast and to expect anything less would be naive. There are no surprises here and there certainly isn't any "change".

-Hedons

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Ego Tripping

Be sure to watch this entire video. I've never, ever, seen any other "news" network run any programming like this. He even calls himself a televangelist, for god sakes.

They don't belong alongside actual reporters.

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Mydriasis

Yeah let's get rid of fox news, and while we're at it we'll just mute every conservative voice or put them in a position where they cannot know what is going on, because that is fair and just?

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Ego Tripping

I don't believe Rush Limbaugh will be attending. You can't go if you just are opinionated and loud, that doesn't equate to news. As JcP stated...if Fox News wants to be taken seriously as actual news and not just the tripe that I just posted that calls itself news, then they need to change their practices.

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Mydriasis

So your argument is that fox news has no interest in the news?

Then why would they really care at all if they weren't invited to cover a story?

Better yet, why would the other news agencies not go unless fox was allowed too?

I'm just dumb, pardon this thread.

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Ego Tripping

A bit more level headed review of the situation:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us...3fox.html?_r=1

My favorite part:

I have a better question for you: At what point does a news network cross the line into propaganda? The answer lies within statements such as those. If Fox News actually cared about the news, then that video I posted or statements such as that, wouldn't exist.

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John F. Kerry

the funny thing about this is that they realy did point out this huge mass rally even tho the networks that were "on the obama payroll vis a vis their exclusive interviews and special privledges with the white house" didnt even note that it happened.


i mean its pretty scary, the networks will self censor if they think it might make dear leader unhappy and then they might get screwed with no interviews etc...


obama taking another play out of the iraninan ayatollah playbook.

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John F. Kerry

i dont even care enough to post some of the worst msnbc stuff but u guys act like fox does it and msnbc doesnt.

and if u really believe that then i guess theres just no point in trying to convince you otherwise.


matthews "sideshow" where he plays circus music and shows pictures of palin - olbermans worst person in the world is always a republican...

but those guys get obama interviews up to their eyeballs.

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Ego Tripping

Fox News even used CNN's shot of the coverage. Once again, total lies.

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