Public Option with opt out = Does Harry Reid Think we're retarded? - Page 3

John F. Kerry · 10-26-2009, 02:46 PM

ok ego tripping so is todays wall st journal ok?

"According to the Gallup polling organization, the percentage of Americans who believe the cost of health care for their families will "get worse" under the proposed reforms rose to 49% from 42% in just the past month. The percentage saying it would "get better" stayed at 22%.

"

so actually wtf r u on about with your feinged anger and incorrect polls? is it just a trick or do you really believe ur self?
Arthur C. Brooks: Why Government Health Care Keeps Falling in the Polls - WSJ.com

Ego Tripping · 10-26-2009, 03:54 PM

For one, that Gallup poll that the article refers to makes no mention of support of the public option, that isn't what the poll was about (but your thread was).

In U.S., Half See Own Costs Worsening Under Healthcare Bill

Secondly, you should dig a little deeper before posting:

In U.S., 39% Say View on Healthcare ?Depends? on Details

Notice near the bottom, the section titled:

The Prospect of a Public Option

50% support, 46% do not support. Hardly a "majority". In fact, not at all.

Secondly, the article writer calls it "ObamaCare" which is something tagged onto the reform by it's opponents, so the article writer is clearly writing with a grudge and using the same tactics you are.

Once again, you took what you wanted and twisted it to fit your far-right (wrong) thinking.

But kudos to you...I think this might be the very first source you've ever posted in your tenure at Yahooka.

John F. Kerry · 10-26-2009, 04:29 PM

Ddc i gota give u props for all the unique plays on my name . querry rofl

DdC · 10-26-2009, 08:38 PM

Dude I seriously doubt if that is your name. A lazy choice for a moniker to poke at the krats is more like it. I peg you as a run of the mill boring insurance salesman selfishly and obediently doing your part for the fascist, G-20, un-American WTO gippers.

Earlier today, Senator Majority Leader Harry Reid announced his intention to include a government-run insurance plan with an “opt out” provision in the Senate version of health care legislation. The New York Times reported : “I’ve concluded, with the support of the White House, Senators Dodd and Baucus, that the best way to move forward is to include a public option with the opt-out provision for states,” Mr. Reid said “I’ve concluded, with the support of the White House, Senators Dodd and Baucus, that the best way to move forward is to include a public option with the opt-out provision for states,” Mr. Reid said at a news conference.

“Under this concept, states will be able to determine whether the public option works well for them and will have the ability to opt out if they so choose. I believe that a public option can achieve the goal of bringing meaningful reform to our broken system.” continued...

Please support President Obama's plan for health reform in 2009. We need to bring stability and security to those who currently have insurance, affordable coverage to those who don't, and rein in the cost of health care.

So the teabog ditso's insurance hero's...
are also the Pharmaceutical drug thug worriers...
and the Science Fiction Christian Monitor...
So they can make even more profits to shelter taxes through anti Ganja campaigns. I think thats pretty much being charged for our own self destruction on this forum. Bad enough our taxes have to pay for our own jail cells if we get busted. Now you want us to pay for the stupid fried egg commercials? curiouser and curiouser...

Pollster Behind Controversial Public Option Poll
Has Long Ties To Insurance Industry

The Republican half of the bipartisan team of pollsters behind a new, controversial poll on health care has longstanding ties to the health insurance industry that critics say biased the results.

Oh'Riley? Now would the GOPerverts do that? Lie, just to horde billions in salary profits? Well my lord, these Iraqi baby-killers and pesticidal maniacs caging sick pot smokers would actually be bias in a poll? No, no don't let it be so!

Christian Science Monitor is scared of… something

That cost is Washington’s tacit approval of state-sanctioned medical marijuana, which the drug’s proponents will take as a green light to push even harder for their ultimate goal: full legalization of marijuana use and distribution.

Anti-Drug Campaigns Dumb Down Vital Message
Calvina Fay is the Executive Director of Drug Free America Foundation and Save Our Society From Drugs (S.O.S.) From 1976-1985 it was known as Straight, Inc. and had a reputation for abusing kids as a drug rehabilitation program. Mel Sembler and his wife Betty founded Straight, Inc. In 1985 it changed its name to Straight Foundation, Inc. in order to protect its money and its principals from civil suits. In 1995 it was changed again to Drug Free America Foundation. DFAF is a national and international drug policy think tank and provider of services for drug free work places.

Dick & Liz Cheney's Funding Source: Mel Sembler

Health Care Reform - AARP Bulletin Today

ACTION: Senator Reid does the American thing, puts a public option in the Senate bill. Support him.

October 20, 2009 11:14 AM
Support for Public Options Remains Strong, Polls Show

Obama Boost: New Poll Shows 76% Support For Choice Of Public Plan

"Creating a public health insurance option similar to Medicare to compete with private health insurance plans."

Favor: 68% (40% strongly favor)
Oppose: 28% (17% strongly oppose)

"Creating a public health insurance option to compete with private health insurance plans."

Favor: 65% (32% strongly favor)
Oppose: 29% (17% strongly oppose)

DdC Plan: "Treatment" is from not curing or preventing.
"Treatment" is what cost tax payers. And profits the few wealthy International corporations buying this smear campaign, for nothing more than their own vested ignorance. Buzzness. The majority of ditzo's will only pay for it. Maybe if you're lucky they'll give you an autograph.

Dare To Opt Out, Not Likely! by lyleoross
Mon Oct 26, 2009 at 07:00:16 PM PDT
Now that it appears likely that the opt out option will be the form the public option will take, let's be sure that we understand what that means. It means that all states will have the public option. What you say! No, that's not a guarantee, someone for some reason will opt out. I find that highly unlikely and inconsistent with what we've seen.

Public Support for the Public Option

JcP · 10-26-2009, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

Aight, you're going on ignore. You obviously have no desire to want to talk about things, you just want to spout your Fox News based bullshit and ignore when someone respectfully shows you that your claims are erroneous. You just ignore people when they prove you wrong but I persisted this time and you've shown why you ignore people...because you're lying through your teeth. But you know you're lying and you know we are right, so I take solace in that fact.

I don't think we can ban someone for being a proven liar, but we can ignore. I suggest everyone else does the same and rid of A&P permanently of this vermin.

I'm surprised you haven't done so already. There's still competent and smart conservative voices on these forums...people who I disagree with vehemently (Hedons, most recently)... but at the very least they are basing their opinions on facts, not baseless rants.

the sad part is I don't even need J-Wonder on "see" to know everything he's said. This is communism, people don't want it, Obama is trying to take your freedoms, it's going to bankrupt the country.
Amirite?

zerodown · 10-27-2009, 07:02 PM

Honestly, I think this issue is just a means to keep the public distracted from paying attention to important things.

Its an issue in which the common folk will never reach a consensus thus its an endless debate meant to distract us, keep us arguing with one another for four years.

wellfleation · 10-27-2009, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

"the chicago way"

what? more discussion about a terrible proposal thats being shoved down out throats to please the far left fringe in lala land out there in cali.....

that keeps getting regurgitated over and over and all the chicago way folks wanna do is make people shut up and stand in line.

pathetic.

Your brain seems tremendously easy to wash. Do you have a red alert button by your bed?

wellfleation · 10-27-2009, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

Hold one...just one second...

Posting factual polls that prove your original claims of the polls to be false information, is not worth a reply.

One more time...

Posting factual polls that prove your original claims of the polls to be false information, is not worth a reply.

I've already posted a poll in another thread where a large majority of even doctors support a PO.

scottishbastard · 10-27-2009, 11:20 PM

Shit, why wouldnt the state governments want the public option? Its not their money. And besides, now the Rx lobbyists dont have so far to travel to bribe people.

Ego Tripping · 10-29-2009, 08:10 AM

Everything right now is nefarious to them. They're like the scared kitty in the corner that knows its about to be taken out.

10-26-2009, 03:54 PM	#42 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,468 Thanks: 229 Thanked 665 Times in 443 Posts	For one, that Gallup poll that the article refers to makes no mention of support of the public option, that isn't what the poll was about (but your thread was). In U.S., Half See Own Costs Worsening Under Healthcare Bill Secondly, you should dig a little deeper before posting: In U.S., 39% Say View on Healthcare ?Depends? on Details Notice near the bottom, the section titled: The Prospect of a Public Option 50% support, 46% do not support. Hardly a "majority". In fact, not at all. Secondly, the article writer calls it "ObamaCare" which is something tagged onto the reform by it's opponents, so the article writer is clearly writing with a grudge and using the same tactics you are. Once again, you took what you wanted and twisted it to fit your far-right (wrong) thinking. But kudos to you...I think this might be the very first source you've ever posted in your tenure at Yahooka. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day. Last edited by Ego Tripping; 10-26-2009 at 03:56 PM.

10-26-2009, 08:38 PM	#44 (permalink)
DdC Decade Yahookan Join Date: Feb 1999 Location: Santa Cruz,CA,USA Posts: 2,117 Blog Entries: 5 Thanks: 51 Thanked 607 Times in 399 Posts	Teabog Ditso's Insurance Heros are Drug Thug Worriers Dude I seriously doubt if that is your name. A lazy choice for a moniker to poke at the krats is more like it. I peg you as a run of the mill boring insurance salesman selfishly and obediently doing your part for the fascist, G-20, un-American WTO gippers. Earlier today, Senator Majority Leader Harry Reid announced his intention to include a government-run insurance plan with an “opt out” provision in the Senate version of health care legislation. The New York Times reported : “I’ve concluded, with the support of the White House, Senators Dodd and Baucus, that the best way to move forward is to include a public option with the opt-out provision for states,” Mr. Reid said “I’ve concluded, with the support of the White House, Senators Dodd and Baucus, that the best way to move forward is to include a public option with the opt-out provision for states,” Mr. Reid said at a news conference. “Under this concept, states will be able to determine whether the public option works well for them and will have the ability to opt out if they so choose. I believe that a public option can achieve the goal of bringing meaningful reform to our broken system.” continued... Please support President Obama's plan for health reform in 2009. We need to bring stability and security to those who currently have insurance, affordable coverage to those who don't, and rein in the cost of health care. So the teabog ditso's insurance hero's... are also the Pharmaceutical drug thug worriers... and the Science Fiction Christian Monitor... So they can make even more profits to shelter taxes through anti Ganja campaigns. I think thats pretty much being charged for our own self destruction on this forum. Bad enough our taxes have to pay for our own jail cells if we get busted. Now you want us to pay for the stupid fried egg commercials? curiouser and curiouser... Pollster Behind Controversial Public Option Poll Has Long Ties To Insurance Industry The Republican half of the bipartisan team of pollsters behind a new, controversial poll on health care has longstanding ties to the health insurance industry that critics say biased the results. Oh'Riley? Now would the GOPerverts do that? Lie, just to horde billions in salary profits? Well my lord, these Iraqi baby-killers and pesticidal maniacs caging sick pot smokers would actually be bias in a poll? No, no don't let it be so! Christian Science Monitor is scared of… something That cost is Washington’s tacit approval of state-sanctioned medical marijuana, which the drug’s proponents will take as a green light to push even harder for their ultimate goal: full legalization of marijuana use and distribution. Anti-Drug Campaigns Dumb Down Vital Message Calvina Fay is the Executive Director of Drug Free America Foundation and Save Our Society From Drugs (S.O.S.) From 1976-1985 it was known as Straight, Inc. and had a reputation for abusing kids as a drug rehabilitation program. Mel Sembler and his wife Betty founded Straight, Inc. In 1985 it changed its name to Straight Foundation, Inc. in order to protect its money and its principals from civil suits. In 1995 it was changed again to Drug Free America Foundation. DFAF is a national and international drug policy think tank and provider of services for drug free work places. Dick & Liz Cheney's Funding Source: Mel Sembler Health Care Reform - AARP Bulletin Today ACTION: Senator Reid does the American thing, puts a public option in the Senate bill. Support him. October 20, 2009 11:14 AM Support for Public Options Remains Strong, Polls Show Obama Boost: New Poll Shows 76% Support For Choice Of Public Plan "Creating a public health insurance option similar to Medicare to compete with private health insurance plans." Favor: 68% (40% strongly favor) Oppose: 28% (17% strongly oppose) "Creating a public health insurance option to compete with private health insurance plans." Favor: 65% (32% strongly favor) Oppose: 29% (17% strongly oppose) DdC Plan: "Treatment" is from not curing or preventing. "Treatment" is what cost tax payers. And profits the few wealthy International corporations buying this smear campaign, for nothing more than their own vested ignorance. Buzzness. The majority of ditzo's will only pay for it. Maybe if you're lucky they'll give you an autograph. Dare To Opt Out, Not Likely! by lyleoross Mon Oct 26, 2009 at 07:00:16 PM PDT Now that it appears likely that the opt out option will be the form the public option will take, let's be sure that we understand what that means. It means that all states will have the public option. What you say! No, that's not a guarantee, someone for some reason will opt out. I find that highly unlikely and inconsistent with what we've seen. Public Support for the Public Option

10-27-2009, 07:02 PM	#46 (permalink)
zerodown Mafutero Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: PR Posts: 782 Thanks: 41 Thanked 169 Times in 131 Posts	Honestly, I think this issue is just a means to keep the public distracted from paying attention to important things. Its an issue in which the common folk will never reach a consensus thus its an endless debate meant to distract us, keep us arguing with one another for four years. __________________ "I've seen people so poor all they got is money." We have to learn to unlearn Its not contradiction, its amendment Not everything we see is reality Not everything we hear is the truth Not everything we're taught helps us grow ~Cultura Profetica "La locura se lleva en la cabeza y las drogas en los bolsillos" ~Roberto Iniesta

10-27-2009, 11:20 PM	#49 (permalink)
scottishbastard ARGH! FUCK! KILL! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Castaic/Los Angeles California BITCHES! Posts: 1,954 Thanks: 32 Thanked 69 Times in 60 Posts	Shit, why wouldnt the state governments want the public option? Its not their money. And besides, now the Rx lobbyists dont have so far to travel to bribe people. __________________ Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do No matter what I ask of you You think you hold the high hand I've got my doubts I come from Chino where the asphalt sprouts ..... And even if I have to go to Claremont Well I guess I'll just have to go to Claremont Let me go Let me lie low Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do No matter what I ask of you And you send your dark messengers to tempt me I come from Chino so all your threats are empty - the mountain goats

10-29-2009, 08:10 AM	#50 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,468 Thanks: 229 Thanked 665 Times in 443 Posts	Everything right now is nefarious to them. They're like the scared kitty in the corner that knows its about to be taken out. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

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