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Old 11-08-2009, 03:19 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I don't understand how you and I have conflicting points of view. Unless we disagree that some of the money the US sends to other countries in the way of foreign aid should be held back for healthcare.
I didn't know we had conflicting points of view!
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Imagine, for a second, if all our roads were toll roads (i.e. not paid for by taxes). Imagine if when we drove out of our residential street and onto the main street, we had to insert $0.50 into a box and wait for a barrier to rise. Then once we get on the interstate we have to insert a dollar. Imagine doing this every time we got on the road.

When you currently drive the roads, do you think, "UUUUGGGHHHH!!!!! The strain I'm feeling from the TAX DOLLARS I'm forced to pay to use these roads!"
Another great point. Funny how 'big government' put all those roads there in the first place (interstate, that is).

You know, in honor of their dedication to 'small government' (unless it's wiretapping us, of course), I think Republicans should boycott the roads just stay home.
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Imagine if all our roads were toll roads?

"They" who sell their children's heritage are low life's. Those who advocate profits over clean air and water are killers. Gutting environmental protection is as insane as Hemp being a schedule#1 Narcotic burlap. "They" advocate only for their own profits. "We" advocate for everyones betterment, including "them". Health care or ending Wars or Freeing Ganja or Stopping Monsanto DDT, PCB's and Saccharin. While they claim its their right to profit.

The majority of Americans put their families over their jobs. Their kids health over profits. G-20 Corporations have no kids. Should not have Constitutional rights of "We the People" They're squads of lawyers, tons of bribes and campaign financing gutting environmental laws protecting everyone. Interchangeable with the Government groups paid by taxes to safeguard "Us" from harm. Not by selling our Rights and Freedoms to safer alternatives. Not by Nukes with no Insurance Company willing to Insure them. Just a general fund, just in case of another 3 mile island or Chernobyl. Sick greedy spoiled brat offspring of Berlin. Corruption everywhere, the Ganjawar is just the most obvious.

The game is divide and maintain dysfunction. Perpetuate for profit police actions and "treatment" over prevention and cures. Black white stoner sudser or tea toddlers fed TV horshit. Just for cheap labor. NAFTA/GATT or 2.2 million prison slave workers, 3rd world sweat shops and outlawing Hemp and Ganja. As they did booze, enough to keep farmers ethanol stills banned to this day. Same fossil fools causing acid rain, then pay junk science to gossip like calvina. Don't have to make sense, just ask Glen Beck or John Birch Libertarians. Neo-Cons just muddy the waters, piss one side off and blame it on the other. Winning debates by not having them. TRI's underground cities for 300 million already under construction? Who gets a ticket?



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Congressman Pombo, Tancredo Propose Selling Off America's Heritage
Statement of Carl Pope, Sierra Club Executive Director

"One day after Congress Pombo's (R-CA) bill to raze the Endangered Species Act passed out of committee, Pombo released a draft bill to sell off America's National Parks and open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and America's coasts to dangerous drilling. The irresponsible legislation fails to decrease oil dependence or save consumers money, but instead focuses bizarrely on items like selling naming rights and advertising in National Parks and destroying millions of acres of the heritage Americans cherish. The draft bill comes on the heels of Congressman Tancredo's (R-CO) radical bill to sell off 15 percent of America's public land.

Pombo proposes selling off nat’l parks

Rep. Richard Pombo (R-CA), chairman of the House Resources Committee, has officially established beyond any doubt that he is no Teddy Roosevelt Republican. Today, draft legislation from his committee proposed selling off a number of national park holdings, including Theodore Roosevelt Island, home of the TR memorial in Washington, D.C.

It might be a coincidence (I think not) but 7 out of 16 parks on the list are in Alaska. I would be interested in seeing where exactly they are located. How many oil companies are looking into each of these 16 sites? Could that have anyhting to do with the "selling off" of the parks?

Bush selling National Parks

The Bush administration, through the offices of the United States Forest Service, is making a humble proposition: Sell over 300,000 acres of National Forest to shore up underfunded rural schools.



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Harsh pollution rules, for example, often raised the operating costs and lowered the profits of the industries that were doing the polluting. Many politicians were taking a long-term view of the environment, but it was costing them political support in the short term.

Led by President Ronald Reagan, political figures stated bluntly that too much attention had been paid to environmental matters that affected few people at any time, while too little attention was being paid to economic problems that affected far more people on a day-to-day basis. The environment would not necessarily be ignored, but the needs of industry would be given much more weight.

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I always thought everyone wanted a "perfect utopia".

So, you'd be against paying for a "perfect utopia"?

We're talking about tax dollars, not our personal wealth. If I'm going to be taxed, I'd rather my tax dollar go to my fellow citizens.
I was kidding in the gitmo thread and agree we shouldn't help other countries with aid, whether in the form of missiles to liberate them or food because they had an earthquake.

Government is wasteful plain and simple. Some people will always suffer, but if we have universal health care someday just watch the quality of health care will go down dramatically.
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but if we have universal health care someday just watch the quality of health care will go down dramatically.
Go down from what? Absolute shite?

If that's the case, let's get universal health care now, so the bottom will finally fall out of the rotting institutions that call themselves "health" care as it stands, and perhaps we could start over and finally begin health care, rather than the system of sick care that we have now. Our health care is by far one of the worst systems in the world, so if the quality does drop, it doesn't have a very long fall.

The only people that get decent health care are the rich and it's high-end surgery that a fraction of the doctors in the US perform...that's the point the right keeps bringing up about us having "the best health care in the world." For the average person, the system simply does not work and when it does work, it's enough to bankrupt someone. Shit, even Glenn "I love my country" Beck had an entire expose on how shitty our system is.
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its fine to equate the right wing with hitler, but if people hold up obama hilter signs they are rascist.
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if we have universal health care someday just watch the quality of health care will go down dramatically.
I truly do not understand how you can say this when countries around the world have SINGLE PAYER healthcare...the kind of reform the most liberal of liberals were proposing...and yet their healthcare systems thrive...people aren't declaring bankruptcy when they get cancer and need Chemo...the earth didn't open up and swallow the country into a black hole of doom...

What are you basing this fear off of? Look at any modern socialized medicine program around the world. they WORK.
and that's not even what's being proposed...we're still going to have private insurance...we're just letting people who qualify for it have the OPTION of CHOOSING a government program.

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its fine to equate the right wing with hitler, but if people hold up obama hilter signs they are rascist.

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I truly do not understand how you can say this when countries around the world have SINGLE PAYER healthcare...the kind of reform the most liberal of liberals were proposing...and yet their healthcare systems thrive...people aren't declaring bankruptcy when they get cancer and need Chemo...the earth didn't open up and swallow the country into a black hole of doom...

What are you basing this fear off of? Look at any modern socialized medicine program around the world. they WORK.
and that's not even what's being proposed...we're still going to have private insurance...we're just letting people who qualify for it have the OPTION of CHOOSING a government program.

sigh.
It's all or nothing. What we have now is worse than universal because the paperwork is overwhelming for doctors/nurses, just ask them. Either socialize it or go back to the way it was in the 50's. The latter isn't going to happen so I'm basically in favor of a single payer system now.

Then it will bottom out, along with social security going bankrupt and our debt reaching a level where inflation will be the end of the US economy.
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Go down from what? Absolute shite?

If that's the case, let's get universal health care now, so the bottom will finally fall out of the rotting institutions that call themselves "health" care as it stands, and perhaps we could start over and finally begin health care, rather than the system of sick care that we have now. Our health care is by far one of the worst systems in the world, so if the quality does drop, it doesn't have a very long fall.

The only people that get decent health care are the rich and it's high-end surgery that a fraction of the doctors in the US perform...that's the point the right keeps bringing up about us having "the best health care in the world." For the average person, the system simply does not work and when it does work, it's enough to bankrupt someone. Shit, even Glenn "I love my country" Beck had an entire expose on how shitty our system is.

Give me a break. It's the law that no one can be turned down in an emergency room, not even illegal immigrants. Hospitals have so many unpaid bills it's not even funny.

At least the rich pay for their procedures.
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It's all or nothing. What we have now is worse than universal because the paperwork is overwhelming for doctors/nurses, just ask them. Either socialize it or go back to the way it was in the 50's. The latter isn't going to happen so I'm basically in favor of a single payer system now.

Then it will bottom out, along with social security going bankrupt and our debt reaching a level where inflation will be the end of the US economy.
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its fine to equate the right wing with hitler, but if people hold up obama hilter signs they are rascist.
i dunno if it makes someone a racist to compare Obama to Hitler. I do think it makes them a fucking idiot, since they are also probably accusing him of SOCIALISM.
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i dunno if it makes someone a racist to compare Obama to Hitler. I do think it makes them a fucking idiot, since they are also probably accusing him of SOCIALISM.
True, just coincidence that most calling Obama hiter are racist from the gitgo. It is pretty moronic to call a black man a white supremest.

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Exactly dude, tax payers have to make up what the hospitals loose. Its over burdening the system. True undocumented workers can get ER care. It was ruining appetites of people going out to dinner with bleeding people sitting around all over the place. The poor have medicare. So because the tax cheats, wealthy sheltering their responsibility we the tax payers have to make it up for everyone.

Giving an option to the ER would make them less crowded. Give better care. Eliminate expensive treatment by preventing much of it, or minimal treatment when its caught early.

Tax should be across the board. Flat tax, one percentage for all. Now the GOPerverts whine about the millions they pay, or have sheltered. But you never mention the billions in profits. The percentage is far less than most working class tax payers. Stop off shore commie accounts, dead beats not paying or dead beats sheltering taxes for anti drug propaganda. Same difference.

The taxes for roads, parks, ER's, schools, cops, firemen etc either come from loans, that are presently costing us $300 billion a year in interest. Boosh wars that Biraq Obomba is perpetuating or drug wars or the largest dead beat welfare suckers, the church. Why am I paying for some anti civil religionists salary and home?

So for the tax payers benefit and since we know overwhelmingly that Rayguns trickle down voodoo economics doesn't work. Now for weeks all we hear you and JFQ spam us buzzwords with no meaning. Then like idiots try to equate Obomba with Boosh? 8 years of Fascist acts, totally for his own profits, costing us trillions in bail outs for corporations and Banksters, wars turned into profitable police actions and civil drug wars. Then not even a year into office you want us to forgive and especially forget Boosheney Inc and turn the blame on Obambi?

I ask again, why do you hate Americans? Why not secure the country, by raising the minimum wage to a living wage. Tax the shit out of the rich and lessen the tax burden on the workers. One job per family lets the kids have supervision. More taxes for schools and if we stop borrowing money and such outrageous interest. The rich would prosper from more money to spend. The poor would have more opportunities for employment and more funds if they were disabled. The best part is the Fascists wouldn't have to be so stingy and mean.

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ddc i think u probably used to be an extremely coherent person, kinda like me, and i get the feeling that im only about 30 years away from being like u . but conservative. lol
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Better start growing, it can get expensive... lol

I'm finally reaching the age where its expected that I be grumpy.

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Terry when you have a choice between heads or tails of the same Fascist coin. You take the lesser evil, its never a win until we rid ourselves of Fascists, and Fascist lites. A ConPromise the same as decriminalizing. Not the same as removing the bogus lies called laws. But better than cages. The only way to break the moldy ways is a third party. Not at this juncture of bickering among ourselves. If the Libertarians and the Greens could join and temporarily forget about their squabbles with each other. Who knows. Now its the same since FDR and even worse before that. I've always labeled them weak, but its really just playing the stupid game. Both sides take and we keep on giving. I voted for Kucinich, with Ron Paul VP. They weren't even on the ticket but my conscious is clean.



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