JcP

damn Terry. A+

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Originally Posted by The Rev It's not what you see, it's that you're looking.

John F. Kerry

i seriously cant believe that you people would rather take our nations wealth, mortgage it, and use the money to pay for more and more free shit for us, then 20-30 years from now, when we are less competitive than we are now, we will be 10x as in debt, and that will pretty much be the end of the american hegemony.

so after the 20 30 years of false enjoyment of benefits while you bleed our centuries of accumulated wealth dry, then you will have no benefits, no wealth, and no way of getting more of either.


so enjoy it, hopefully you'll die before the bill for the liberals spending madness comes due.

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Grieves

at "you people"

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verklingen

what "wealth" has our country accumulated when 1% of our population controls 38% and 40% controls 1%? our country has accumulated nothing while having nothing to show for the accumulation made by the super-rich. every year that 1% gains more and your average joe loses more. so who's bleeding who?

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stoneric

Why do you continue to blame pelosi for our impending bankruptcy after your congress and your president got us chin deep in two senseless wars that are draining this country more than any healthcare reform might? And any pro- war moron can hardly take the moral highground when scum sucking is being discussed.

John F. Kerry

stoneric remember back in the day when the only thing that could possibly make people want to spend such huge amounts of money was that our nation was at war, attacked on 9/11, and that we believed that we were fighting terrorists around the world who wanted to end our existance?

that in those dire circumstances, republicans who dont like to spend taxpayers money by definition were forced to for nothing less than a war which was started by the worst attack on american soil in history ?


now in these days, the liberals take any random issue and its like ok well we better spend as much as we did fighting huge wars just to fix some random shit or to make things more "moral".... in the real world we shouldnt be spending this much money on ANYTHING ,especially when we cant afford to pay it back in any kind of reasonable time frame.... a war, and a 9/11 style attack are just about the only thing that could make people think it was ok to take the extremely dangerous step of mortgaging our future to pay for shit today...

now when people thought there would be more 9/11s and for all we know without action there may have been.... u can say that not fixing the problem is worse than spending the money and getting into debt...


can u really say the same thing about making it easier for some people to pay health care bills? so that they can go spend their disposable income on shit on tv for 19.95 instead....





so we basically went from spending money (doing a bad thing) for the best possible reason (to defend our nation once atacked and at war)....


to spending money (doing a bad thing) for the worse possible reason (some trivial nonsense about giving a healthcare kickback to people who really dont need it, rather than a much smaller spending program to help out those very very few in true dire straits and not just seeking their election 08 payout from obama and co) .

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verklingen

if it wasn't already clear enough, the fact that you would seriously make that last statement shows how insurmountably disconnected you are

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stoneric

Verk was wrong. You're WHOLE staement is utter fucking rubbish.

C_ka

haha

America's reign is coming to an end yes? Nothing sweeter then watching an arrogant prick crash and burn (this doesn't mean I don't like the people personally btw)

John F. - one thing that stands out to me in your post is the word "Free" - there is no such thing as "Free" as far as the issues in point are concerned.

Its true that to help those fuckers that cant pay their own doc bills someone has to lose out - energy is not created nor destroyed / law of the universe isn't it?

But the thing is, in order to achieve the status your country has there was no other way but to 'tic up some bills - now you are approaching the end where you realise you cant just keep borrowing forever.

So your not going to be [I]the[I] world power any more? Suck it up bitches. You don't even have enough money to help your nations healthcare, while you continue to fight wars.

America, in it's blind arrogance and love of self, has become accustomed to an unsustainable lifestyle - WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU THINK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN? Now your country will be torn as its populace divides between those who believe you should look after your populace (whom you made ignorant fat and lazy) and those who think they should look after themselves - too bad if they don't know how.

Anyway what im getting at is that Americas decline has been a long time coming. you guys have serious problems within, yet you continue to throw money at wars. Wars ffs. Stop that shit and give your peeps some proper education and healthcare fools.

If this was a RTS i.e civilization/C&C you'd all be a bunch of noobs. Cant fight without a strong base.

Finally, as an example of why i view america as having its head up its arse, you state that 500K a year is upper middle class?

Shit nigga thats high roller and not middle class. The Majority of people in my country earn under US 70K a year, and according to americans i have spoken to, would be eligible for food stamps and considered lower class - thats our middle class

John F. your daughters education should not come before the health care of some homeless fool; the nation don't owe you shit - life is sacred and the maintenance of such should be priority. Everything else is just (unaffordable) extras.



Viva la Africa

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verklingen

the rest just shows how stupid he is

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John F. Kerry

you make some good points but u dont realize one thing about american that a lot of europeans and non-americans dont seem to get cuz they dont have it like it is here.


ok its great that in n zealand everyone can have a high standard of living, like 99% or whatever,


the thing is, in america there are a lot of uneducated, poor, ignorant people...

its not my fault, or gwbushes fault or john kennedys fault, but they are there.

-also a huge part of the reason for them being here is because it is the land of oppourtunity where people who are in shitty circumtances can come and work hard and hopefully be better off than living in the squalor of where they left from.



so its great to make more people educated, and give them quality services etc,.... but far more realistically here the things that will make people have better educations is to have loving parents, a good home life, etcetcetc various things, and if u want to make it the gov'ts "job" to make all the ignorant uneducated people suddenly upper middle class then all that will happen is u will bankrupt society trying to give them all the "trappings" of being upper class without giving them the wherewithal to support themselves, u cant have "false middle class" based on taxing the rich to pay for it, because its unsustainable.


so the thing is, a huge number of people in america do have pretty high standards of living, im not talking about the rich peopl, im talking about the middle class people whos dad works at a ford plant and shit, those people have pretty good lives compared to the rest of the world.


my main point here is that we need to teach people how to fish , rather than endlessley provide them with more and more fish and hope warren buffet and bill gates bank accounts can keep picking up the tab....


the way to make our country sustainable, is not to have more entitlements, its to have more self-sufficiency and people providing for themselves, im all for the gov't helping them out, but not becomming a nanny state that funds and sustains their ignorant inefficient and unsustainable behavior.

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verklingen

everyone fishes already man, but they're fishing for the fishery and not themselves. like that man in the ford plant whose family you say "lives well." his and all his peers' yearly income is a drop in the bucket of what ford ceo's and upper management makes. corporations themselves operate like a kind of communist dictatorship where a worker's labor is worth only as much as the dictators can afford without cutting too far into profits. chew on that one you arrogant fool

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ok look at these people and tell me how obamas plan is going to help them other than to give them some cash money, i mean really ,its not gonna make them more educated is it? its gonna give them more entitements , and thats really about it. so what is all this bs about how it will help americans get back to work ROFL and other nonsense, ...


ps i sought out a white person video too so as not to be accused of rascism. obamas white supporters are just as retarded as his black ones

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verklingen

dude, what is so hard about this.

the woman in the first video can't afford health insurance right now, and needs to be scanned annually to make sure she doesn't get fucking sick or die (i.e. make sure she can continue to work and be an asset to our economy).

are you really this fucking dense

edit- if a country is going to survive, it must think of it's citizenry is an investment. this requires a proactive vision with careful analysis of the dynamics involved in growing a successful, abundant citizenry. to me, it's all too obvious that health be a core part of any plan that takes achieving this aim seriously.

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i need a gold encrusted toilet so that i can not feel depressed when im taking a crap before work and then be too depressed to go to work that day, so obama should give me one to keep me working

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C_ka

i do agree with the fishing notion.

And sorry yes i should realise that your poor population (lower-lower class) is quite large and very poor.

I think the thing is that the gap between Rich and poor is massive in your country as opposed to mine, so perhaps i cant see all of the issues that you guys must deal with.

Maybe you could send the poor ones to canada and mexico?

No, really though, there is no way to bridge the rich-poor divide without taking from those that worked for it and giving to those that cant spell w-o-r-k.

Perhaps a period of socialism (to equalise those inequalities) then we can all go back to capitalism.

But as far as healthcare is concerned, i think its a shitty situation your country is in, and sympathise with those who will lose out if they have worked hard to get where they are. There is no easy answer.

But that being said, as a country i feel universal health care is a must if you wish to be considered the greatest nation on earth.

And that being said, I agree that those who chose not to contribute should not reap the benefits from those who do.

Really the issue at the heart of this is spiritual, - when each realises that we are all one, the rich will be happy to help and the poor happy to work.

Each person should contribute enough for themselves and any children they choose to have - it should be taught in school from an early age that if you choose not to offer a hand to your society (if able to), you dont get to ask for one.

I have no sympathy for those that wont at least try help themselves.

Make illegal commodities legal, do away with financial support for those who refuse to work (if able), and when they say there is no jobs and they cant buy food - point them to the fields and tell them to grow some.

But always look after the populace's health, thus giving them no reason not to work.

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"Years ago I recognized my kinship with all living things, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on the earth. I said then and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it; while there is a criminal element, I am of it; while there is a soul in prison, I am not free."
— Eugene V. Debs

verklingen

look at this troll, spoofing the legitimate hardships of red-blooded americans everywhere. . .

gtfo i thought your sorry ass had me on ignore

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stoneric

The poor,uneducated and ignorant people are a natural byproduct of our system. They're here to do your work so you can get filthy rich off their backs. Without them the dowtrodden types like gates and buffet would have to settle on being mere millionaires.

John F. Kerry

without bill gates we woudlnt be talking .



...not to mention about 1,000 companies that create about 100 million jobs simply woudlnt exist.



so yea ill bet in 1975 100 more people could have gotten food stamps for another 25 weeks , but there would never have been a bill gates...


glad to see our government sees the forest for the trees, or used to, or something ,

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John F. Kerry

and someone else said something about how the insurance company ceo makes so much money..

guys.


do a calculation here to see how much bs that is



bill gates has made 50 billion dollars for himself, by creating like lets say 1 trillion dollars worth of wealth for the world- wealth in terms of jobs , products, things that have improved our world immeasurably, etc...

so which would u rather have ? a huge fight about the 50 billion that a genius earns for making the world a better place.... or a system that forces the best ideas to the top thru the prospect of reward, and thus, a 50 billion dollar COST will return 100 FOLD BACK TO THE PEOPLe....


fuck the insurance company ceo, take his 10 million bucks, and give it to 10,000 people- but u know what? thats only 1000 a person and ill bet way way more than 10000 people want his money....so what are we gonna do ? take the copper pipes out of the AIG building to go pay for 5 extra weeks of wellfare benefits ? jesus christ.

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