John F. Kerry

the top tax rate is currently 35% federally (not counting state taxes).

the democratic congress is going to let bushs tax cuts expire which will make the top rate 39.6%


then with their healthcare nightmare bill to pay for that they will raise the top bracket to 45% ,


so in many states that have 12% of so income tax, some rich people and even some upper middle class people (as it effects people who make 500k a year) will have 60% TAX RATES!!!

the democrats are seriously retarded if they think this is going to help our society.


its pretty funny really, each party has their own stupid shit that they do no matter what when they get into office.

the dems have to do class warfare and raise taxes and have a big fight about who gets the crumbs of the rich people, as a result jobs will continue to be lost and our economy will continue to tank, and smart rich americans would probably do well to move to another country that is less socialist.


at the end of the day were gonna have higher tax rates than FRANCE and while some people are just happy they will get a new handout, i hope enough others realize that handouts are temporary, and the job losses this retarded policy will cause are permanent. or at least much more permanent than your little couple of bucks obama is gonna kick back to you for voting for him .




we need a gingrich revolution soooo bad.


dont u think its fucked up that pelosi and kerry and the millionaire democrats have decided that you have to pay 10% more of your earnings to them just because they said so ?


ps, and once they've raised em on the richest people, people like u and me will not be far behind. the govt just takes and takes and takes . wtf.

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stoneric

What country can the rich move to? All the other industrialized countries are already more socialist than us.

John F. Kerry

i dunno it just makes me so angry that ms bitch pelosi and those assholes in congress can make me hate my country so much, and make it so unrecognizable from the land that i love, that i would contemplate leaving it,

now i know how those ultra liberal hollywood people felt when they were gonna move to canada

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Ego Tripping

Bravo sir.

America needs a little socialism spice in it's capitalism soup...this is fantastic to watch the right wince because of the temperature though.

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Mercury

wtf are we going to do with socialism? we have sooo much room to grow still. we aren't even 250 years old yet and already we're going on a retirement plan, so to speak? what can the U.S. government offer us that isn't already coming to us, the number one nation of the last few centuries?

Mercury

i should elaborate that i mean our population will no doubt double very rapidly, and we have the entire middle america to populate still. socialism works for old countries because they aren't reproducing or expanding their territories. what the US would essentially be doing is making a promise that we can't keep.

verklingen

what the hell territories are there to expand into?

anyone who's unhappy with the way our country is going can shove it, because everything you hold precious is a ridiculous wet dream of the ultra-rich. keep trying to be like them; they're more than happy to continue taking your money and making you think it's good. oh, but the government can't take money!!! that would be terrible

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Sugar420

arent you a peice of work. you were lovin it back when US soldiers were dropping bombs on civilians every day. now your death dealing country is up to its ass in debt and youre hating it enough to leave if some tax cuts expire.

stoneric

But he doesn't think the endless wars are the reason for our near bankruptcy.

Mercury

It's not what the government is taking, it's what they're offering. The government treats us like peasants, just like with communism. They'll take responsibility for the bare essentials like healthcare, food, shelter, legal assistance.

At least the rich people offer us candy and movies and hawiian vacations on first class airliners.

Mercury

i said middle america, i.e. the states in the middle. everyone is crowded around the atlantic and the pacific while we still have probably another couple hundered years to spread inward and make use of our VAST resources. socialism puts an immeasurable damper on all that wealth potential.

John F. Kerry

thats a bit of a stretch veda but good observation

i wasnt "lovin it"


on the other hand its not like obama has stoped droppin the bombs.

his bombs hit iraq, afghanistan, and now, main street.

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Grieves

Nothing like spreading the misery around so that we can all see what is really important...

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JcP

by "make use" do you mean continue humanity's death spiral of overpopulation? I mean the irony of thinking it would be a good idea to "spread inward" onto the land we use to help feed our population is amazing.

Besides that, I'm not sure how socialism would put an immeasurable damper on all that (undefined) wealth potential...I'm also not sure why you think providing a socialist healthcare OPTION equates to turning America into a socialist country, but whatever. I'm sure it makes sense to you.

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scottishbastard

Let me ask this...Seeing as how the government just in the last ten years have made stupid decisions on the drug war, the war on terror, the patriot act etc. why do you trust them with your health?

It seems like liberals are the first people to criticize the government for fucking things up, yet are the first to suggest the government should be involved in our health care. I dont think we need a Gingrich revolution, I think we need a Rothbard/Freedman revolution. It's about time we get someone in power who actually understands the upsides and downsides of capitalism and how to balance them.

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Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
You think you hold the high hand
I've got my doubts
I come from Chino where the asphalt sprouts
.....

And even if I have to go to Claremont
Well I guess I'll just have to go to Claremont
Let me go
Let me lie low

Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
And you send your dark messengers to tempt me
I come from Chino so all your threats are empty

- the mountain goats

Mercury

What do you say about North Korea, Terry? Do you think they're living the good life because of communism? And if you want us to go there then who shall be our dictator? Obama? And what do you believe we should all be entitled to under communism and what should we have to sacrifice?

John F. Kerry

so what is the trigger for a supposed "need" that society as a whole needs to "fulfill" to be considered "moral"?


anytime people want some shit that they dont have, and if enough people want it, they can just vote to get it?


or what. only healthcare and then it wont be something else next week?

and how do u decide that raising peoples taxess 10% is moral, why should my daughter get less money in her college fund so that someone else can get easier cheaper health care? it will still cost the same amount to provide, it will just be you and me paying for it intead of the PERSON WHO USES THE CARE....

its so fucked up , id just like to know where u draw the line.


they need this, ok raise taxes, that, ok more tax raises, the other thing, COME ON DUDE BE MORAL, ok just 5 more things then we'll be all set...

how u guys can automatically conclude that its the moral way to do things is beyond me.


SELFISH PEOPLE TODAY LIKE PELOSI ARE ACTUALLY BANKRUPTING OUR CHILDREN SO WHOS THE FUCKING MORAL PERSON AND WHOS THE SCUM SUCKING LEEACH?!

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verklingen

imo not ensuring that our citizens have access to affordable/effective health care is more bankrupting than a hike in taxes, especially when that hike hardly affects the majority of people. what is so hard to understand that the best/fastest way to grow an economy is to encourage an environment where people are willing and able to work? many who could are either literally bleeding out their bodies from being unable to afford seeing a doctor or bleeding out their finances by getting care they cannot afford. these people have children, children who given the circumstances their parents face will probably never have the blessing of a college fund much less one that took a hit from a raise in taxes.

what's funny is you think the country is going to be hurt by a measure that aims to fix something which is currently beating it to death. and i only say it's funny because i'd rather laugh than cry

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scottishbastard

I support capitalism because it has been shown to work. I am against socialism on a large scale because it doesnt work on a large scale. If you want to be socialist/communist thats fine but youre country better be small as hell. If youre country is already poor it can only make things better. But socialism is a temporary fix, not a stable economic system.

I support capitalism because I've seen that government interfering with ANY private matter is a bad thing. I am poor, and will probably always be poor. But I still support a completely free market, for the same reason Im against gun laws, the drug war, the patriot act, anti homosexual laws, affirmative action etc.

It has nothing to do with money. I prefer the word laisezz faire or free market over capitalism though...Capitalism has gained a very negative reputation the last 100 years because of idiots who pay lip service to capitalism, but practice corporatism.

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Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
You think you hold the high hand
I've got my doubts
I come from Chino where the asphalt sprouts
.....

And even if I have to go to Claremont
Well I guess I'll just have to go to Claremont
Let me go
Let me lie low

Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do
No matter what I ask of you
And you send your dark messengers to tempt me
I come from Chino so all your threats are empty

- the mountain goats

verklingen

what does it mean "to work," and what makes a laissez faire approach any less frightening in larger scales? imo extremism either way spells trouble, as with most things

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