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Old 12-07-2009, 01:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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How can we be agreeing to fuck our economy when Climategate just broke like a week b4

this is another huge bait and switch that i really cant believe is happening.


so imagine that these liberal scientists in britain and around the world really totaly fucked up the climate data,

so basically, the Us is going to totally change its economy, give "green subsidies" tied to gdp (A PERCENTAGE OF OUR ECONOMY JUST DOWN THE TOILET) to "keep poorer nations helping them be green" .


its just a huge bs lie.

if you want proof that the liberal people in europe and elsewhere dont care what the evidence says but just want handouts and to take money out of our pockets just look at the way they totally brushed off the biggest scandal this century .


global warming hasnt happened, its probably never going to happen the way doomsdayers say it would, and even when the "evidence" showed it supposedly would happen so many people thought the dire predictions were ridiculous anyway- now we see that most of the dire predictions were based on FAKE DATA and LIES FROM LIBERAL SCIENTISTS..... so even tho there is this huge mountain of doubt the europeans totally just brush that aside and try to strongarm us into giving them "green" money.... its just total bs and if they really did care about the potential of global warming - you would think they would at least WANT THE FACTS AND DEMAND THAT THE ACTUAL DATA BE FOUND BEFORE DOING SOME RANDOM THING TO FIX A PROBLEM THAT WE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE TACKLING IN THE RIGHT WAY BECAUSE MUCH OF THE DATA WE BASED THIS ON IS PROVEN TO BE LIES....

do they care about global warming? if so then why does it seem like all the care about is getting our money....


I think the gases we put in the atmosphere are bad,


but with such glarring evidence that the conclusions and data being pushed on us for a decade are utterly false and fabricated, its beyond me and seems to be the height of stupidity to adress the "problems" with solutions based on the FAKE DATa rather than recongize the problem, try to seperate good data from bad, have an INDEPENDANT AND ESTEEMED GROUP draw TRUE CONCLUSIONs, and ACT BASED ON THE TRUTH NOT LIES FROM SOME RADICAL ENVIORNMENTAL MANIAC LIARS.

these radical liberals are getting us to change our policies , not by winning a war or by winning our hearts and minds, but by BAITING AND SWITCHING PEOPLE INTO DOING THINGS THEY WOULDNT OTHERWISE DO UNLESS THEY WERE TRICKED INTO IT AGAINST THEIR BETTER JUDGEMENT OR BASED ON FALSE FACTS!


wtf?!

your thoughts?


edit- rather than going thru this entire post to reedit i will just apologize for its cluttered nature, it was stream of conciousness and i think it makes a lot of good points despite the gramatical and syntactic errors...not that it really mattters to nun, just saying to all...
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you seriously are retarded dude it doesnt bother me that you troll my threads and post the same shit in every one.
u end up looking like a retard.

gotta kill time between xbox 360 rounds so word, dont bother to opine because it takes too much effort, for some people at least
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BAITING AND SWITCHING PEOPLE INTO DOING THINGS THEY WOULDNT OTHERWISE DO UNLESS THEY WERE TRICKED INTO IT AGAINST THEIR BETTER JUDGEMENT OR BASED ON FALSE FACTS!
that sounds exactly like what the last administration did, resulting in countless deaths and untold human suffering. i doubt very much a few "green subsidies" are going to be as bad
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LOL at two excerpts, from years and years of emails, that have been majorly misconstrued being called "climategate"

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Isn't taking care of the earth still a good idea ANYWAYS?
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not when liberals are benefiting or it goes against conservative agendas...
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this has nothing to do with liberals in america.


liberals in america will be just as screwed by these policies as conservatives in america will.

im not saying fixing our envionrmental problems isnt important,

we gotta stop letting ourselves get taken advantage of as a country simply because we have high ideals.
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we gotta stop letting ourselves get taken advantage of as a country simply because we have high ideals.
I hear what you are saying.

Would you clearly state in a few sentences what is being taken advantage of? Your OP was a little baffling to get through, sorry
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I agree, Kerry dude, you seriously are retarded...

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cap and trade is fucking retarded but not for the same reasons you think.
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i want to know how adhering to emissions and other such standards will fuck our economy.

climate change is real. there are a variety of factors that determine the variance of surface temperature, which has risen on average. some of it could possibly be the result of us releasing carbon and other materials into the atmosphere: factors that once laid dormant in the earth's crust. it could be attributed to solar cycles, or ocean currents. the culprit is unclear, but our unwitting alterations of the environment are undeniable. i agree that much of the hysteria surrounding "global warming" is rather off-putting, and often misdirected or inefficiently channeled. but what i gather from the whole ordeal is us taking a step back, evaluating what we're doing, why we're doing it and how we can move toward doing things less haphazardly. if we want to move forward as a nation, as a globe or whatever, we have to be forward-thinking. we can't simply act and assume the elements will continue working in our favor. the global warming scare has in many respects awakened peoples' recognition of this.

what's sad is it also had to be a wedge to force a further evolution of a growing dichotomy within our society. that really can't be accident. look at this issue j; how quickly and with what mirth you latched onto this "climategate." it's probably something like i felt when i read palin had joined with the birthers. what's all this shit for, dude? what's it actually mean? how does the controversy serve us? it simply doesn't! look at these ridiculous, divisive issues and how we've been complacent in them year after year as the guys who run the show have clamped down further and further. gah it's just all nonsense.

i'm sorry for how i handled some of our encounters in the past j. there's really no reason getting worked up over a bunch of fucking nonsense
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I hear what you are saying.

Would you clearly state in a few sentences what is being taken advantage of? Your OP was a little baffling to get through, sorry .

its just all part of the government trying to serve special interests rather than the truth.

if they really were trying to make the air cleaner etc and not destroy the economy in the process, and you felt that they understood how it is not better overall to "improve the environment" by "dismantling the economy", which is what some seem to want.

making energy and various things much more expensive because of abstract ideas is a hard sell in a recession ,


and then you have the fact that most or at least some of the data being used to justify our expenditures and mortgaging our future to the chineese for a program they wont even participate in, is fake , and made up to support a partisan political agenda.

dont people care about that? im not saying do nothing
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id rather fuck our economy than fuck my future children and their childrens chances at having a somewhat normal life on a green planet. this stuff is probably too little too late anyhow, species loss is on the rise.
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its just all part of the government trying to serve special interests rather than the truth.

if they really were trying to make the air cleaner etc and not destroy the economy in the process, and you felt that they understood how it is not better overall to "improve the environment" by "dismantling the economy", which is what some seem to want.
they would. . . ? sorry man you never really finish your thought. what would be done if we were trying to make the air cleaner etc?

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really? why don't renewable energy sources make sense "in a recession?" sounds like a shoe-in to me, interesting take


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and then you have the fact that most or at least some of the data being used to justify our expenditures and morgaging our future to the chineese for a program they wont even participate in, is fake , and made up to support a partisan political agenda.

dont people care about that? im not saying do nothing
what fact?
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i want to know how adhering to emissions and other such standards will fuck our economy.
to be fair, requiring our companies to meet emissions/other standards in excess of what companies in say, china, must meet does put them at a disadvantage. i wouldn't say that that equates to "fucking our economy" but it certainly doesn't help our businesses' competitive position. obviously that does not mean that they are a bad idea or that we shouldn't try to keep emissions low in this country, but it's important to know where the crazies' opinions come from.

the problem with cap and trade can best be summarized with an example (i've pulled this one from another forum i post on):

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Unfortunately, many offsets are just scams. Consider the case of Sinar Mas. This pulp and paper company cut down native forest in Indonesia, causing major devastation, and then planted palm oil trees on the wasteland it had created. Guess what it got for that? Offset credits for reforesting. This company destroys an entire forest ecosystem, installs a monoculture industrial plantation, and can still turn a profit from selling the trees cut down, the palm oil produced in their place, and carbon credits. As a result, a company somewhere else can continue to pollute. It doesn’t make any sense.
there are other problems with cap and trade as well, but that example sums it up for me. cap and trade is basically a bullshit distraction put in place to make people think that the administration and congress are actually doing something to help the environment. cap and trade won't help the planet or anyone else except for the largest of corporations whose power will further consolidate as a result of the new system, and that's a fact, jack.
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id rather fuck our economy than fuck my future children and their childrens chances at having a somewhat normal life on a green planet. this stuff is probably too little too late anyhow, species loss is on the rise.
what's a little too late? species go extinct when climate shifts, as is occurring before our eyes. for all we know there could be some process whereby our activities may have actually slowed down that shift. the science as yet is simply not conclusive.

but if you ask me we're right on time. we always wait for shit to bite us in the ass
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