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Old 02-12-2010, 10:17 PM   #1 (permalink)
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East Coast Blizzard Tied To Climate Change. deniers are ‘unpatriotic’

East Coast Blizzard Tied To Climate Change‎

Climate Change Ravages East Coast
Big snow could fog up economic view‎

Thank the ‘unpatriotic’ GOPstructionist Science phoebic teabog ditzo fossil fool cheerleaders...


Earth's climate appears to be changing more quickly and deeply than a benchmark UN report for policymakers predicted,

Bill Nye the Science Guy: Climate change deniers are ‘unpatriotic’



America's most wanted: Power plants urged to clean up their act

Neocons gnash their teeth, clean air paranoids?

NASA GISS:
Tracking Carbon Dioxide Emissions from Fossil Fuel Burning
March 1997

The largest single source of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) is the burning of fossil fuel (coal, oil and gas), which currently accounts for ~80% of the annual emission of CO2 into the atmosphere. Nitrogen is also a byproduct of fossil fuel use. Fossil fuels, therefore, play a pivotal role in the global budget of carbon, acting as both a source of CO2 and of atmospheric nitrogen which can fertilize the biosphere and stimulate it to sequester carbon.

Statistics indicate that fossil fuel use accounts for emissions to the atmosphere of ~5.5 GtC (GtC = billions of metric tons of carbon) annually. Other important processes in the global CO2 budget are tropical deforestation, estimated to generate about 1.6 GtC/yr; absorption by the oceans, removing about 2.0 GtC/yr; and regrowth of northern forests, taking up about 0.5 GtC/yr. However, accurate measurements of CO2 show that the atmosphere is accumulating only about 3.3 GtC/yr. The imbalance of about 1.3 GtC/yr, termed the "missing sink", represents the difference between the estimated sources and the estimated sinks of CO2. This imbalance has increase consistently since around 1920 and has undergone substantial increases since 1950.

This is what these "unpatriotic" idiots Lie for?



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Biomass Energy

In the early 1900s, Henry Ford and other futuristic, organic, engineering geniuses recognized (as their intellectual, scientific heirs still do today) an important point - that up to 90 percent of all fossil fuel used inthe world today (coal, oil, natural gas, etc.) should long ago have been replaced with biomass such as: cornstalks, cannabis, waste paper and the like.

Biomass can be converted to methane, methanol or gasoline at a fraction of the current cost of oil, coal, or nuclear energy - especially when environmental costs are factored in - and its mandated use would end acid rain, end sulfur-based smog, and reverse the Greenhouse Effect on our planet - right now!*

*Government and oil and coal companies, etc., will insist that burning biomass fuels is no better than using up our fossil fuel reserves, as far as pollution goes; but this is patently untrue.

Why? Because, unlike fossil fuels, biomass comes from living (not extinct) plants that continue to remove carbon dioxide pollution from our atmosphere as they grow, through photosynthesis. Furthermore, biomass fuels do not contain sulfur.

This can be accomplished if hemp is grown for biomass and then converted through pyrolysis (charcoalizing) or biochemical composting into fuels to replace fossil fuel energy products.*

*Remarkably, when considered on a planet-wide, climate-wide, soil-wide basis, cannabis is at least four and possibly many more times richer in sustainable, renewable biomass/cellulose potential than its nearest rivals on the planet - cornstalks, sugarcane, kenaf trees, ect. (Solar Gas, 1980; Omni, 1983; Cornell University; Science Digest, 1983; etc.).

One product of pyrolysis, methanol, is used today by most race cars and was used by American farmers and auto drivers routinely with petroleum/methanol options starting in the 1920s, through the 1930s, and even into the mid-1940s to run tens of thousands of auto, farm and military vehicles until the end of World War II.

Methanol can even be converted to a high-octaine lead-free gasoline using a catalytic process developed by Georgia Tech University in conjunction with Mobil Oil Corporation.

ECONOMICS ENERGY & ENVIRONMENT

"The book Solar Gas, Science Digest, Omni magazine, The Alliance for Survival, the Green Party of Germany, the United States and others put the total figure of our energy costs at 80% of the total dollar expense of living for each human being.

In validation, 82% of the total value of all issues traded on the New York Stock Exchange and other world stock exchanges, etc., are tied directly to:
- Energy producers such as Exxon, Shell Oil, Conoco, Con-Edison, and so forth.
- Energy transporters such as pipeline companies, oil shipping and delivery companies.
- Refineries and retail sales of Exxon, Mobil, Shell, So. California Edison, Con-Edison, etc."

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Power of fossil fuel producers exposed - 7/30/1999 - ENN News
Just a few companies are responsible for most of the world's carbon pollution, according to a report released Thursday by a coalition of environmental groups.

THE OIL WAR OF 1872
Most of the independent oil producers in the Oil Region of west-central Pennsylvania were young, and they looked forward to the years ahead. They believed they would solve problems such as railroad discrimination. They would make their towns the most beautiful in the world. There was nothing they did not hope and dare. But suddenly, at the very heyday of this confidence, a big hand reached out from nobody knew where, to steal their conquest and throttle their future. The suddenness and the wickedness of the assault on their business stirred to the bottom their manhood and their sense of fair play, and the whole region arose in a revolt which is scarcely paralleled in the commercial history of the United States

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Neanderthal and Climate Change
February 1, 2010 04:33 PM - Andy Soos, ENN
The last Neanderthals in Europe died out at least 37,000 years ago — and both climate change and interaction with modern humans could be involved in their demise. The Neanderthal is an extinct member of the Homo genus that is known from Pleistocene specimens found in Europe and parts of western and central Asia. Neanderthals are either classified as a subspecies of humans or as a separate species. How and why they died out is a matter of debate.

After Copenhagen - the Tactics and the Treaty
January 27, 2010 11:04 AM - Earthscan

Judge Orders Cheney Records Released
The ruling by U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler could undercut the Bush administration's effort to keep secret the names of industry executives and lobbyists who met with the White House as it formulated its energy plan last spring.

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Oil, gas & coal companies: Websites

Jeb Bush Was in Enron Partnership



Sundance Reveals the Dark Underside of Political Financing in the USA
by: Romain Raynaldy | Les Echos

The Battle of the Titans:
JPMorgan vs. Goldman Sachs,
or Why the Market Was Down for Seven Days in a Row


Wow…I don’t even know what to say about this. Senator Inhofe, of Oklahoma, actually says not only that oil and gas don’t contribute to climate change, but that they don’t pollute at all. That is one of the most absurd things I’ve ever heard.

Well senator, I guess that gives major oil companys the go ahead to dump their waste water in your backyard? Have you possibly tried to leave your car running in the garage with the door closed? Can you tell me that would have no ill effect on your livelihood? Maybe I can stop by and dump my oil motor oil in your garden? I certainly hope you just fumbled the words and didn’t actually mean what you said.

Halburton concentration camps being built for "new programs" of Bush.



Power of fossil fuel producers exposed
- 7/30/1999 - ENN News
Just a few companies are responsible for most of the world's carbon pollution, according to a report released Thursday by a coalition of environmental groups. "It is time for fossil fuel producers to take responsibility for the global warming pollution they cause," said Dan Lashof, a spokesman for the Natural Resources Defense Council, one of the groups that issued the report.

Climate Change news

Beyond Fossil Fuel:
businessweek
The Alternatives With the convergence of strict environmental controls, electricity deregulation, and high oil prices, renewable fuels are back in the limelight.



Ah the bottom dwellers line finally splats...kathump!

Oh more exxon oxy morons...

Remember maggy...
Your hero Spencer is a proponent of intelligent design, and rejects evolution as the mechanism for the origin of species

"I finally became convinced that the theory of creation actually had a much better scientific basis than the theory of evolution, for the creation model was actually better able to explain the physical and biological complexity in the world...

In an interview with conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh on February 28, 2007, Spencer stated that he doesn't believe "catastrophic manmade global warming" is occurring.

Spencer is listed as a member of the Heartland Institute and a contributor to the George C. Marshall Institute.

Heartland Institute's Friends

Philip Morris
The tobacco industry has also been a regular funder and Philip Morris' Roy E. Marden is on the Board of Directors.

Exxon Mobil is a financial supporter of Heartland, and Walter F. Buchholtz, ExxonMobil Corporation is on the Board of Directors.

Global Warming Propaganda
45 Scientists on list of ‘500 with Documented Doubts’ Say F-You to Global Warming Deniers [Updated!] Heartland President Joseph Bast rationalizes that aside from the misleading headlines.

Funded by ExxonMobil and chaired by a former official of the American Petroleum Institute, the George C. Marshall Institute has been described by the Union of Concerned Scientists as a "clearinghouse for global warming contrarians"

Enjoy Coke Climate Change East Coast Feb 2010

Anti-Corporate Activism

Coke Spotlight (???)
In the time it takes you to read this sentence, another 100,000 people worldwide will reach for a Coca-Cola soft drink. COLD DRINKS, HOT PLANET In the Green Games, Coca-Cola isn't winning the race. Coke keeps its products "always cool" with the help of HFCs, some of the most potent global warming gases ever produced.

coke spotlight down gone?

Globalization and Coca-Cola

Corp Watch

Ingredients
"F.E. Coco" means fluid extract of coca (the plant that produces cocaine), however the recipe does not go into details as to how this extract was prepared. Another ol Coca-Cola formula in the possession of Frank Robinson's

A Marxist threat to cola sales? Pepsi demands a US coup. Goodbye Allende. Hello Pinochet

Korry, who served Presidents Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon, told how US companies, from cola to copper, using the CIA as an international debt collection agency and investment security force. Indeed, the October 1970 plot against Chile's President-elect Salvador Allende, using CIA 'sub-machine guns and ammo', was the direct result of a plea for action a month earlier by Donald Kendall, chairman of PepsiCo, in two telephone calls to the company's former lawyer, President Richard Nixon.

Pepsico & Burma Free Burma Coalition google

Pepsi: The Choice of a New GENOCIDE

Pepsico in McSpotlight

WHAT INGREDIENTS ARE IN PEPSI PRODUCTS?
Total Carbohydrates
Sugar
Aspartame
Acesulfame-K
Acesulfame Potassium
Nutrasweet
Sodium
Potassium
Caffeine
Testing of Additives: A Commentary

PepsiCo - Polaris Institute [PDF]

PepsiCo has pulled out of Burma
"Call 'em and thank them! Celebrate with Cheetos! Break your diet at Pizza Hut! Truck on down to KFC and load up! Well... maybe don't go that far..."

Burma Alert
AN OPEN LETTER TO PEPSICO'S CEO MAY 1996

PepsiCo HAS pulled out of Burma as of January 15th, 1997.
It's Easy to Boycott.


Boycotting Exxon

Boycotting Exxon and Mobil gas for the greater good of the American people
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The Subjugation of Burma

Free Burma Coalition
"When spiders unite they can tie down a lion."-- Ethiopian Proverb
http://www.freeburmacoalition.org

Fear in the Fields
- A 1997 Seattle Times investigation found that, across the nation, industrial wastes laden with heavy metals and other dangerous materials are being used in fertilizers and spread over farmland. The process, which is legal, saves dirty industries the high costs of disposing of hazardous wastes. The process is similar to the paradigm of fluoridation, in which the dumping of EPA certified hazardous wastes into the water supply saves industry the cost of disposal, while at the same time affecting the neurological and behavioral capabilities of the population, as well as producing vast medical profits from the long-term neurophysiological effects.

McSpotlight

Montanto Sucks

Corporate Dirt Archives List (site down)

Fighting Frankenfoods pdf

Hemp Food Association
Hemp grain is the most nutritionally complete seed on the planet for human consumption. Each hemp seed contains 25% protein. This protein is more easily digestible than the protein in soybeans because it contains a perfect ratio of essential fatty acids (EFA's). EFA's are important for strengthening your immune system and
protecting you from disease. Fish oil and flax oil are also high in EFA's, but hemp contains the most perfect ratio of EFA's for human consumption. Hemp grain is also high in iron and calcium and is an excellent source of dietary fiber

Plant oils give petroleum a run for the money

Env. News Net.

United States' Answer To Drug War Proves Harmful



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SNOW = WARMING!


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Joe Rogan once said that, from the air, the spreading of human cities and buildings looked like cancer on the otherwise green Earth. He may have had a point. I don't know if pollution is changing the climate or not. The debate is too politicized for me to consider any argument as objective. There is no doubt, however, that we are generating alot of waste, and destroying much that cannot easily be replaced, if at all. We are like a virus on this planet, and unless we can learn to co-exist with our host, it will eventually kill us off.



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go to 1:25 and listen to dylan ratigan -





SNOW = WARMING!


anybody wanna buy a bridge in brooklyn?
Hey dimwit, I just explained this to you yesterday

More warmth = more water evaporation
More water evaporation = more moisture in the atmosphere
More moisture in the atmosphere = more percipitation
Percipitation + freezing temperatures (such as you might encounter in february) = snow

J the wilfully ignorant wonder everybody!
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...so if its cold with less precipitation next year you guys wont tell us how that means its global warming too right?
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Joe Rogan once said that, from the air, the spreading of human cities and buildings looked like cancer on the otherwise green Earth. He may have had a point. I don't know if pollution is changing the climate or not. The debate is too politicized for me to consider any argument as objective. There is no doubt, however, that we are generating alot of waste, and destroying much that cannot easily be replaced, if at all. We are like a virus on this planet, and unless we can learn to co-exist with our host, it will eventually kill us off.



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ecologically speaking, humans have a similiar growth rate to a weed like plant
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ecologically speaking, humans have a similiar growth rate to a weed like plant

Careful where you go with that, weeds are pretty beneficial to the soil. The roots churn and aerate the ground, the dying foliage is returned to the earth as it decomposes, creating more nutrients for the next plant...


See, we call them 'weeds' because we can't use what they have to offer, so they are a nuisance to us.



The biggest problem with anything here that I see personally is that everyone has an agenda and making sure that we have a planet to live on seems to be pretty far down the list on pretty much all of those agendas

We don't know...


We can't admit that we just don't know, we have a pretty good idea of what has been going on but really we can't say with any certainty that we know what is wrong or that we have any idea of how to address it or for that matter if anything is wrong to begin with.


Just because it doesn't suit us, doesn't mean that there is something 'wrong'.
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...so if its cold with less precipitation next year you guys wont tell us how that means its global warming too right?
Personally I dont believe that humans are the largest contributor towards climate change.

But I can't deny that the climate is changing. It's always been changing, since its a homeostatic environment, but the change is more apparent now than it has been.

Like a plant is always growing but you don't notice till it has new branches or has gained a couple inches... depending on how closely you observe it.
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We're like the pot plants of the Earth, except we get nature high on carbon monoxide fumes instead of THC/CBD.



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The fact is that some companies stand to gain, some stand to lose.

That's why there's such a furious debate over what really just amounts to interpretation of scientific data.

The oil giants don't want to fall, naturally. There are tons of other businesses just waiting to take their places. The status quo is up for some change, and a lot of people are fighting it both ways with everything they've got.

Personally I'd love to be able to go fishing and eat what I catch, that's my main angle in this whole thing. I've never fished a place safe enough to eat out of. That really sucks.
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One thing is certain beyond politics. Kerry is a troll. Glen Beck is a Traitor. Teabogs and Pat Robertson against Palin? She don't think Haite was being punished too? Same prohibitionists, oil war brokers and fossil fools. Now clearly obvious. Protesting clean air and water, protesting affordable Health Care and low interest home loans. Staling school money for private vouchers with the higher education ax keeping the poor illiterate, cheap labor exploiting Americans. Who needs foreign terrorists when we have such cowardly traitors here. Not a surprise when they follow a chickenhawk 8 years. JFK = USA! Qaeda. Bring it on!

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ur way more of a troll than kerry

hes just an idiot
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...so if its cold with less precipitation next year you guys wont tell us how that means its global warming too right?
It's ALL global warming dude And on the principle you must always appear wrong... so we'll talk about this more next year.


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Do you even know what a troll is Grimo? Or maybe you're still pissed from the last spanking I gave ya? Oh ya baby. Another one lined ineptness from a Neocon. Kerry might be an asshole, but I doubt if idiots get paid to spread corporate propaganda. He could be a numbnut teabog ditzo doing it for nothing. But that's a lot of time and energy spent trashing climate change to do it for nothing. Advocating Ganja and Hemp for nothing is the right thing to do so I don't expect people to get paid for it. So toss some more buzzwords, to the gullible it might sound good. But trolls are like natzi redneck crackers. It makes no sense if you try to pin the moniker on African Americans or Indians. Trolls sabotage and cast doubt and unsubstanciated skepticism for one reason. Not to find the truth, to avoid it. So my bringing references you ain't gonna get on your corporate sponsored prohibitionists TV is the opposite of trolls boy. But anyone feeling the urge to donate just send it to Yahooka or DWR or Cannabis News or another of the many fine and worthy internet forums and info sources. I'm happy to do it free, just to piss off rednecks and fascists. Now stop holding a grudge spewing mouthfarts and I won't have to come back and spank ya. Are you flamingnuthin? Or just destined to one sentence blurbs out of illiteracy and blind faith in Boosh?

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dude the type of people who are trolls are idiots who post pictures and shit like j00 ,


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...so if its cold with less precipitation next year you guys wont tell us how that means its global warming too right?
YES, because it's complicated, you see. more precipitation for one area of the planet might mean less for another. what we could expect to see are records being broken either way.

ok so i'm beginning to realize how ridiculous this sounds because i'm reading through contact by carl sagan again, and in it he explores a theme almost precisely like this. basically a popular preacher gives his case for mistrusting science on the grounds that science obviously mistrusts the him and the public at large. scientists appear not to think the public can understand the method and instead reveal only their conclusions.

if carl sagan was talking about this the year i was born, it must reflect a very pervasive problem between science and the general public. the furor over the topic of climate change in our day is evidence enough. but it's not really the scientists fault. . . they are trained and interested, most of them, in simply finding shit out. a scant few others -- such as carl sagan, stephen hawking, and michio kaku -- are inspired to take the initiative in bringing this knowledge to the public in enthralling, invigorating ways. the others are simply committed to their research and, if anything, the most we hear about their work is speculation that makes for good newspaper headlines.

climatology falls squarely within the latter realm, and it just so happens that there are interests ready to take advantage of the rampant misgivings about it. i don't know what the solution is. maybe every laboratory should be funded for a pr staff. science is fucking interesting, if it were more accessible to people we would find they can make sense of it just as well as the scientists. the problem here is a problem of explaining.

that's why i keep coming back here and talking about this subject. i feel it could be explained a lot better, and i know people will get it if they'll just listen. and no, i don't mean get that cap and trade should be forced down everyone's throats or any bs like that. i'm talking about the science of climate change, and why it's important that we care about it. not because we could affect or stop it, but to better prepare ourselves for what these changes mean. it's the kind of thing that could bring us together: a united effort to make sure we all get through it better than ever! if that's not worthwhile then just wtf is
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most people think its bad that we're putting co2 into the atmosphere.

but how exactly are u proposing we fix it? if your answer doesnt include china then try again.
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lul. I knew I could count on this for the usual "how can you believe in global warming if it's COLD?" Go read a fuckin book.
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this particular discussion is so far over the heads of some members, it's better left for a purely political site.

and yes when you farted just now...

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