The Rev

What frightens me about prison isn't what the system does to you (takes away your freedom, confines you under crappy conditions, controls your daily life) it's what the other prisoners do to you. The thing is, the government generally isn't blamed for the infliction of these horrors on prisoners, because it's not they who administer the torture. However, they DO know full well what they are doing when they send someone to prison for a crime.

I think the government owes some kind of protection to prisoners, from each other, in accordance with humanitarian aims. I know they pay it lip service, but what if a prisoner had the right to sue or press charges against his captors if he were raped, for example? We all know it is wrong to torture prisoners. I don't think the government should be able to hide behind the fact that they are not the direct agents, when they set up the conditions that make torture inevitable.



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crookedhatinator45

they should just send all the bad guys to australia like the good 'ol days.

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cantSEEme

calling prisons "correctional" or "rehabilitation" is irony defined.

it's a hell where some of the most dangerous gangs the world has seen thrives and a place where a citizen gets educated in how to be a better criminal, with the added plus of gaining a hatred of society in general.

it's a failed, antiquated system that needs a complete overhaul. of course, i dont have any answers like everyone else, just complaints.

kamikazi89

prisoners DO have rights, |unless they renounce their citizenship) or the state rescinds it..
as far as a i know rape is illegal even in prison..those guilty should be prosecuted, and if not, a civil action is warrented

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old_mans_child

june 7th i have my first court date for a indictment that was put out for me in the local paper about a week and half ago.

two men from union county are indicted today for a operation that occured between Dec. 4 - Dec. 29 of last year.
roberts.(omc) is facing more than three years for two felony counts of fraud and two of recieving stolen property, for stealing and writing bad checks.



PRISON. not sounding good at this point for me.

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The Rev

If a prisoner is found guilty of a crime while in prison, they are just held in prison longer, right? This does nothing for the victim, as it would if the crime occurred outside the penitentiary. Also, the ability to sue someone who is incapable of making any kind of income, and therefore paying any kind of judgement, carries little comfort, especially when retaliation for bringing the suit is so easy for the defendant. The plaintiff, after all, is locked up in the same cage as the one who victimized him.

My point is, the government creates the environment for these crimes to occur, yet is held blameless when they do. They knowingly place convicts in extreme danger, and under extreme stress by locking them up as they do, yet bear no liability when they harm one another. It amounts to torture, yet there is no accountability because the government isn't the direct agent of that torture.

Does that make sense?



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old_mans_child

damn. deep

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kamikazi89

well, they have a responsibility,that we can agree on, no one can guarentee freedom from harm ,however there should be at the very minimum a standard..

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Mercury

I gotta disagree with ya Rev. The worst part of prison to me is definitely being confined to a cell. As a matter of fact, socializing with other prisoners, whether or not it becomes harassment, is the most mentally stabalizing part about prison.

Solitary confinement anyone? Fuck that. Not that cell mates can't be a pain in the ass. But yeah, the worst part about prison are the walls themselves.

kitch

I think merc would do just fine in prison.

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Bad dog

I think that was the main point of the thread.
Obviously what counts as torture for one man can amount to pleasure for another.

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sounds like you have no idea what goes on up in a prison.

but yeah the system is forever fucked

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The_Jester

I was listening to an audio clip of nick sands a speech he gave about prison. He said it was total hell but the only thing that kept him sane was meditation and yoga. Pretty much if your confined to a cell, there's only a few things that will keep you going.

self immolation > 2 year term, if you ask me.

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Mercury

A lot of prisons are on islands. Australia used to seem pretty worthless at one time. Right now I think I'd rather be inprison in Finland. Or somewhere gay like that. Farming sheep. U.S. prisons are barbaric.

Flamingnun

You'd rather die than two a two year stretch in jail?

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Mercury

give me liberty or give me death! that's pretty stupid though. good point nun.

The_Jester

Honestly, that's my only real requirement in life, is some degree of freedom. I don't ask to be able to prance around naked or anything, but being able to shit, shower, and shave unsupervised, without worry is pretty basic for my expectations.

Plus being in a hostile, unsanitary, race-hatred fueled cage for 1/30th of my life, to come out and not be accepted by society even more than I am now. Just doesn't sound worth it haha.

I'm not gonna say it's a smart decision, or try to sway anyone else in a similar manner, but it's just how I feel. Perhaps if I were to ever sadly be faced with such a situation, my mind would change, but for now, self-immolation sounds prettier.

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turmaline

I'd be terrified of being in prison with people whom I would consider more evil than things I have read in the bible, or seen in horror movies which maKES MORE SENCE IN MY CASE.

Every human horrible thing is in prison, I guess it's like hell on earth.



I can't imagine what hell "not on earth" would be like.

Qui-Bong Jinn

I'd just be scared of getting butt fucked to be honest, I'm not a very big person.

wellfleation

$$$ is the bottom line - period. Those pot smokers/dealers deserve to come out worse than when they came in! Come on, play the game - it's fun locking non-violent prisoners based on politically motivated (state by state) policies.

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