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Old 06-10-2010, 10:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hamas rejects Israel-approved snack foods for Gaza

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip – The Hamas government said Thursday it will not let newly approved food items into the Gaza Strip as long as Israel maintains its blockade of the territory.

Israel slightly eased the much-criticized blockade on Wednesday by permitting snacks, spices and some other previously banned food items into Gaza. The order was symbolic at best, leaving a ban in place on desperately needed construction and industrial materials.

Hamas Economics Minister Ziad al-Zaza said the government would not allow imports of potato chips, soft drinks and fruit salad from neighboring Israel. He said Gaza's own factories could produce these goods if Israel would only allow in raw materials.

"Gaza does not need soft drinks, soda and fruit salad. Gaza needs raw materials, cement, and spare parts for the local factories," al-Zaza said. "We have local factories that can make soda and soft drinks. If the border opens, Gaza's factories can export fruit salads and potato chips to the entire region."

Israel and Egypt imposed a blockade on Gaza three years ago after Hamas violently seized power. Israel says the embargo is needed to prevent the Iranian-backed Hamas, which has fired thousands of rockets into Israel, from building up its arsenal.

However, the blockade has failed to weaken Hamas, while hurting Gaza's economy by putting tens of thousands of people out of work and shutting most of the territory's factories.

Israel has been under heavy international pressure to ease the embargo since a naval raid last week killed nine pro-Palestinian activists on a flotilla trying to breach the blockade.

Israel has said it will not lift the blockade unless Hamas renounces violence and frees an Israeli soldier captured by Hamas-allied militants four years ago.

The international uproar has also put pressure on Egypt to ease its closure of Gaza's southern border. Following the flotilla affair, Egypt opened the border to allow Gazans to exit the area. Thousands of people have been waiting to travel abroad for jobs, university study and medical care.


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now since it has been said in recent threads that if only we understood and dealt with hamas they would prove to be kind and willing to negotiate.


so im just wondering, why would they not allow more things into gaza?


what could possibly be the reason to deny the palestinians new extra things that werent previously allowed?


the answer- because any easing of the blockade will make the lives of palestinians BETTER and thus will DESTROY HAMAS' political role....

hamas as clear as day by this action would rather its own people go without everything rather than have some things , just to make stubborn political points and at the expense of their own people.


this ones pretty easy to understand oui?
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if that doesnt prove hamas "all or nothing attitude" and unwillingness to negotiate, what more could u want as proof?
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his is israel negotiating?
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? did u read the article?
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arent baby steps better than standing still? (or going back ,like hamas does when it rejects all previous agreements made bt palestinians and israelis)
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why should the palestinian people be told by israel what they can and cannot have. israel's offer is nothing more than continued harassment. it perpetuates the idea that palestinians should live like sub-humans, having no control over themselves or hope for a functioning economy
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? ok ? but how does that solve anything?
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how does israel's proposition solve anything?
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well i think its more to prove that the blockade isnt really inhumane.


israel doesnt want hamas to have shit to build up military infrastructure. like concrete and steel.

it really doesnt have any problem with giving the palestinians other shit, but since hamas mostly wants steel and concrete to build up its arsenal and infrastructure, this is like the isrealis calling their bluff somewhat saying ok well give u spices and snacks and all that other shit...

what would u like to see israel do verk? end the blockade?
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if they took israel up on the offer it would ease the "suffering" of palestinians wouldnt it?


how would that be bad? what would hamas give up to let that happen except to lessen the outrage at israel even by a tiny factor, they dont want that because from the start they have used the gazas as pawns and totally abused them for the sake of iran, hamas's leadership doesnt even live in gaza ....what do hamas leaders in syria who have anything they want and more care about suffering of palestinians ... its BETTER FOR THEM WHEN THEY SUFFER MORE . dont u see what im saying and agree with it? this isnt even pro israel bias stuff its just obvious facts.
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remember how you mentioned that all or nothing attitude; i would like to see that end. on both sides.

there is no bluff. the palestinans actually need materials (not snacks, lol) if they ever hope to make anything resembling a nation of their strip of land. if you ask me the offer is insulting, and proves that israel wants to keep them right where they have them: subservient to the will of israel and completely lacking in self-sufficiency

edit- it's bad because the whole offer is insulting and smells of blatant political maneuvering for the israeli propaganda machine that paints israel as negotiators with the unwilling. there is no negotiation though, just "take it or leave it"
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remember how you mentioned that all or nothing attitude; i would like to see that end. on both sides.

there is no bluff. the palestinans actually need materials (not snacks, lol) if they ever hope to make anything resembling a nation of their strip of land. if you ask me the offer is insulting, and proves that israel wants to keep them right where they have them: subservient to the will of israel and completely lacking in self-sufficiency

edit- it's bad because the whole offer is insulting and smells of blatant political maneuvering for the israeli propaganda machine that paints israel as negotiators with the unwilling. there is no negotiation though, just "take it or leave it"
im trying to understand your position but i really cant.


there is a blockade, that much of the international community finds unpleasant but also justified by hamas' violence.


so israel takes steps to ease it, and all u can say is unless they give even more its "insulting".


i guess i just cant see where ur comming from on this, but its cool , i appreciate u arguing with me anyway, better than just talking to myself
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i dont see how the palestinian bargaining position would be diminished in any way by accepting in some previously banned items.

the only reason i could think of for hamas wanting to keep stuff out that israel has agreed to let go in would be to make the palestinians suffer more and longer for no reason except to then use the false propogandized arab and muslim anger worldwide to try to score some pr points.
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neither do i man, but that's the problem with all or nothing attitudes.

i heard somewhere that 50% of palestinians are age 15 or under. . . that makes me hopeful that some new blood will recognize what is not working and come up with a new solution. it would make sense to accept israel's concession, but still press for more. maybe the palestinians themselves will become fed up with their leadership? or maybe they wouldn't have to if their leadership were allowed to lead a nation instead of a reservation of sorts. the whole thing is just a mess on both ends. people get caught up in the blame game instead of seeking a solution: something you might see in our president yet turn a blind eye to for israel

time will tell but i'm hopeful. though i've been hopeful ever since sharon and arafat kicked the bucket. . .
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the west bank is relatively peaceful and not blockaded, the generation u speak of sat in the white house with bill clinton and signed agreements with the israelis


so i dont hope for some new crop, i hope the ones that have usurped the at least progressing slowly history of fatah and the plo will give back what isnt ahmadinejad and bashirs
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By STEVEN GUTKIN (AP) – 7 hours ago

JERUSALEM — Israel took a first step Wednesday to temper the uproar caused by its deadly high-seas raid on a blockade-busting flotilla by allowing in potato chips, cookies, spices and other previously banned food items into the Gaza Strip.

But the things Gazans need most — cement, steel and other materials to rebuild their war-ravaged territory — are still mostly banned, and critics denounced the move as insignificant. President Barack Obama called for a new approach on the blockade.

Instead of easing international criticism of Israel following the May 31 raid that killed nine pro-Palestinian activists, Wednesday's decision appeared to focus even more attention on its three-year-old blockade of impoverished Gaza and the seemingly arbitrary decision-making about which goods are allowed in.

After meeting Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in Washington, Obama said the Mideast situation is "unsustainable." He called the flotilla clash a "tragedy" and said a "better approach" is needed in Gaza. He called for a "new conceptual framework" for Israel's blockade.

Maxwel Gaylard, the U.N.'s senior humanitarian official in the Palestinian territories, said Israel's move was insufficient.


"A modest expansion of the restrictive list of goods allowed into Gaza falls well short of what is needed. We need a fundamental change and an opening of crossings for commercial goods."

Israel and Egypt have been enforcing an embargo on Gaza, banning all exports and allowing in only basic humanitarian and consumer items, since the territory was violently overrun by Hamas militants in 2007. The blockade has created a flourishing smuggling trade through tunnels under the Gaza-Egypt border but has done little to loosen Hamas' hold on power.

Facing growing international criticism over its botched raid and the painful price Gaza's 1.5 million residents are paying for the blockade, Israel has been attempting to show some flexibility.

Palestinian official Raed Fattouh, who coordinates the flow of goods into Gaza with Israel, said soda, juice, jam, spices, shaving cream, potato chips, cookies and candy were now permitted. He said Israel rebuffed Palestinian requests for construction goods, raw materials for factories to operate and medical devices.

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, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were discussing internal policymaking, said their goal in allowing more goods into Gaza was to defuse pressure for an international investigation of the sea raid. The clashes broke out after Israeli naval commandos boarded one of six ships on the flotilla carrying goods for Gaza, and some of the hundreds of pro-Palestinian activists on board attacked them with pipes and other makeshift weapons.

Michael Oren, the Israeli ambassador to the U.S. told The Associated Press on Wednesday that the two countries are discussing ways to involve the international community in the probe. He said Israelis would lead the investigation of the events aboard the flotilla.

Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev said his country is committed to ensuring that "the civilian population of Gaza will receive civilian goods," but Israel is concerned that items like cement "if given to Hamas will be used first and foremost for their military machine in creating bunkers and fortifications."

A Hamas spokesman, Sami Abu Zuhri, said Israel's gesture was not worth commenting on.

The flotilla confrontation has left Israel scrambling to salvage its international standing, already battered by harsh criticism of the scope of destruction in Gaza from its invasion in late 2008 to stop years of rocket fire from Gaza.

Gaza has been mired in poverty for decades, but the closure deepened the misery, erasing tens of thousands of jobs and preventing repair of damage from the Israeli offensive.

Western diplomats said Wednesday that some European nations have proposed reviving an arrangement on the Gaza-Egypt border that included EU observers monitoring the crossing. The diplomats, speaking on condition of anonymity because no decision has been made, said the proposal would be discussed at an EU meeting on Monday in Luxembourg.

They acknowledged the setup — in place before Hamas' 2007 takeover of Gaza — would be difficult to restore. The reason: opening the crossing would have to include delicate security arrangements that Israel would be unlikely to accept as long as Hamas remains in control of Gaza. Israel's reluctance to lift the embargo is shared privately by many officials in the Western-backed Palestinian government in the West Bank.

Israel has rejected calls for an international investigation into its May 31 raid, fearing it would be biased. Instead, officials are considering an Israeli-run inquiry that includes international observers. Israel has been seeking U.S. support for this approach, but so far has not been able to reach a formula.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told an economic conference Wednesday that Israel will mount its own investigation.

"We know the truth," he said.

Associated Press writer Diaa Hadid contributed to this report from Jerusalem.

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So this article clearly proves that foodstuffs and medical equipment were being blocked from getting in, and now the only reason the food is allowed is so that it will take the heat of of Israel as its own ambassador just admitted, and this is suppose to show commitment to getting civilian materials to the civilian population of Gaza? While still not allowing medical equipment in? Bullshit.
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now since it has been said in recent threads that if only we understood and dealt with hamas they would prove to be kind and willing to negotiate.
Actually what was said was that israel and the u.s. refused to deal with the democratically elected hamas from the start. No one said hammas was kind, misunderstood or even willing to negogiate. But it's typical of your charles krauthumjobber neocon way of thinking, like being against going to war with Iran means your a amadenanutjob supporter.
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Israel and Egypt have been enforcing an embargo on Gaza

egypt doesn't want to be cut off if they don't play nice with israel.
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we should just let israelis live in alaska, and palistinians live in australia or vice versa for a few generations until this shit boils over. im sick of hearing about it. if you despise your neighbors so much that your willing to die for it then you should either move or you'll die from the battle or stress when your heart gives out. both sides are brainwashing their kids to hate the other and we are gonna be the ones that have entire generations of people who side with one or the other. if they dont want to go new places then they should do a real war until one is left standing.

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