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Old 06-11-2010, 06:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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u.s. says israel can investigate israel

International Probe of Aid Ship Attack
US Privately Agrees to Back Israeli Probe Exclusively
by Jason Ditz, June 11, 2010

The Obama Administration has formally abandoned its public calls for an international probe of the Israeli attack on a Gaza-bound aid ship, insisting that reports that they were still in favor of it were false.

“We support an Israeli led investigation and we are open to potential ways in which the international community can participate in that,” insisted Philip Crowley, State Department spokesman.

11 days ago when the world was still reeling from the attack on the civilian aid ship, President Obama had made vague calls to reserve judgement until an international probe into the killings could take place. By this week, he was already making it clear that he was going to make sure that such a probe would not question the Israeli killings at all, but would instead focus on digging up dirt about the aid workers.

Even that led to Israeli condemnations, and privately the Obama Administration is said to have made deals to support only whatever internal probe Israel deigns to hold, though there remains internal opposition in Israel even to probing the killings themselves.

The “international probe,” just 11 days ago an excuse to avoid criticizing the killings in even the vaguest of terms, has at this point become inconvenient to the official Israeli narrative that the attack on the aid ship and the subsequent killings were actually a laudable act, and that the aid workers themselves, and the Turkish government which has complained so loudly about the killings, are the real villains. The narrative does not stand up to even basic scrutiny, of course, which is why even the neutered international probe, designed to demonize the aid workers and avoid even cursory examination of the attack itself, has become inconvenient

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this just in : israel says us is "prettty cool" in a cartman voice.
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but seriously , a rassmusesen poll the other day said that like 50 percent of americans thought israel acted correctly, 30 percent thought they were correct but made tactical mistakes and 18 percent thought they shouldnt have done it.



its cool how america is like "the world"'s opinion. i was thinkin about this today - in every other country , what people think is mostly what that nations bias causes it to think - only in america where the melting pot has brought people from everywhere can we get a view that isnt biased by nationality and individual pride or even just the desire to stand up for the view u think is best for your country.


like if the chineese see an american opinion poll about something chineese or something related to china- they can say, damn maybe we disagree with that view, but that is what a general mix of the worlds people living in relative prosperity think, so it makes them look at themselves and rexamine themselves for bias.


im not saying the us isnt biased towards us interests, but in many cases the us interests are the interests of the world as well.

i used to think we had places like china to fear.
but lately ive realized that even when those places rise, america will still be the only place where people from anywhere can go and feel like they can carve out a niche for their own people and their own way somewhere in that foreign place america....

the dream of some of our founders that america would be the place where the world could learn to get along seems to be working its way along, even in convoluted fashion.


this is only vaguely related to the topic, but i think its pretty telling that americans support israel, not jews in america, not some group in america, but a large number of americans support israel no matter how u slice it.... it makes me think that when the europeans see that they get kinda ashamed of themselves and consider themselves in some ways less tolerant than americans are.... america can teach other places to unlearn their biases by example.

im not saying israel is perfect and ish, but seriously isnt it kind of amazing that poll after poll shows american public support for israel in huge numbers that cross across democrat republican lines....i dont want to act righteous and shit, but if the freest place on earth thinks that way its gotta make some others sit up and take notice.
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AIPAC has certainly taken care of this problem - an international probe of an event that took place in international waters would be sutpid.

NOw it give s ISRAEL the RIGHT To DEFEnd it;s EXISTENCE and expell (KILL) the IRANIANS*

*IRANIANS are EVIL

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Old 06-12-2010, 11:58 AM   #5 (permalink)
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but seriously , a rassmusesen poll the other day said that like 50 percent of americans thought israel acted correctly, 30 percent thought they were correct but made tactical mistakes and 18 percent thought they shouldnt have done it.

im not saying israel is perfect and ish, but seriously isnt it kind of amazing that poll after poll shows american public support for israel in huge numbers that cross across democrat republican lines....i dont want to act righteous and shit, but if the freest place on earth thinks that way its gotta make some others sit up and take notice.
Americans based their opinions on what they saw which was completely controlled by israel. The 18% you speak of probably got their information from other sources than our disgusting media. And if israel would allow an international led investigation the people supporting their barbarism would dwindle.

It's good to know you don't think israel is perfect. And again the support for israel is based on spoon fed bullshit by our media. When you have a congress that is subservient to The Lobby it's no wonder the bipartisanship shows through whenever israeli's brutality is questioned.
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uhhh america pretty much created israel

we did it to gain a foothold in the middle east

israel is america's bitch, and it knows it. it also knows america will have its back when it comes to fighting the evil arabs. they serve a specific purpose and if we didnt need that purpose served it probably wouldnt even be around. we certainly wouldnt be supplying them with guns money and food.
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And I wouldn't say israel is the bitch in the relationship.
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whether u agree with the part about israel or not, do u agree that america is a good cross section of the world for polling purposes or do u disagree with that too ?
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^ If they were informed, yes. But since they're not, no.
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To be fair Britain had a bit more to do with creating Israel. Not to nitpick or anything.
yes but britain being americas bitch also, makes israel americas bitch by default
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yes but britain being americas bitch also, makes israel americas bitch by default
When israel was formed is different. israel hasn't been americas bitch for decades.
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lol i dont think he was talking about that specific year
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....1917???

israel was created in 1948. by that point america was top dog. the UN is a joke, it might as well be the "USAN"
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The UK assisted the setting up of the state of Israel because we thought it would stabilize the middle east so we could keep the Suez canal.

That didn't turn out too well.

We also helped set up the house of Saud, before that.

Another excellent move. Kept BP going anyway.

j and Waves- even just after WW2 the US did not decide the entire world's destiny.
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terry, plenty were moving themselves and its not like the randomly chose israel to move to, thats where they came from.
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its cool how america is like "the world"'s opinion. i was thinkin about this today - in every other country , what people think is mostly what that nations bias causes it to think - only in america where the melting pot has brought people from everywhere can we get a view that isnt biased by nationality and individual pride or even just the desire to stand up for the view u think is best for your country.
Seriously?
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Update your ignore list!

The Israeli's are obviously the most dominant ones and could do well to start making concessions. Stop playing victim, and do something good without having to run it through your PR machine.



why does 'PR' get underlined?
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