YaHooka Forums  

Go Back   YaHooka Forums > The Chronic Colloquials > Politics And Current Affairs
Home FAQ Social Groups Links Mark Forums Read

Politics And Current Affairs Discussion on politics, current affairs and law. Do something today to make a difference.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 1 votes, 1.00 average. Display Modes
Old 06-21-2010, 10:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
Secretary of State?!
 
John F. Kerry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 5,085
Thanks: 2,169
Thanked 784 Times in 505 Posts
the worlds in chaos. but the cool thing is

.... there are so many problems these days, countries seeking nukes, countries in debt, countries with internal and external turmoil... terrorism, etc etc etc.... energy crisis, oil spills...


....so why isnt there more anger or crazyness as people get pissed about these things?


its kinda crazy how our world today is so "good" that even tho we have all these problems, most people (not in america, but across the world from america to australia to the cities of china) are relatively comfortable these days.

people dont need huge expensive libraries and huge expensive technology to entertain themselves.... a 300 dollar computer with free wi fi can let u learn anything from mandarin chinese to how to study for a PhD. u can travel to other parts of the world on youtube, and u can see what people in south korea think about the world with a few clicks.


...much more so than in 2000, the world is linked thru shared prosperity....and its clear that even in times of economic downturn, there are plenty of people in china, india, europe , etc that have an interest in the status quo -that are mostly satistied with the world we live in- etcetc..


a couple of years ago i would worry that this caused people to run the risk of being apathetic about world problems....that europe wouldnt care about iranian nukes because they have it so good and they dont think iran would ever attack THEM.... but today i think the world is more mutually concerned about large scale problems.


it might not have been popular in 2004, but today i dont think you'll find a government in the world (except 2 or 3) that isnt against terrorism isnt against violence (at least in words) and doesnt want an increasingly connected and prosperous world.... even in a place like the middle east u have countries like the uae, dubai, reaching for the future and spending their time building awesome buildings instead of fighting over oil and religion...


as a person who believes in Realpolitik, i see that the world has come together not because of some amazing kumbaya or desire to love one another- but because countries across the world have an interest in peace, stability, no violece, connection to the outer world, and interconnected commerce....even in a downturn, if anything, countries unlike in 1930 when they turned isolationist, today countries are falling over themselves to "rescue" other countries so the systemic risk doenst spread.


germany has an interest in "saving" greece- when u think about that its amazing- it means the Us doesnt have to worry about greece and other places so much anymore, not because germany is doing us a favor, but because germany recognizes its own interest in stability- just like the US has for 60 years....


its a different ballgame when countries like russia chose to side with the United States over Iran, because russia knows that in the long run a solid relationship with america is better than some easy flowing gas from a nuclear power....


china seems to understand that it has to keep a lid on kim jong il.... america doesnt even really have to worry about n korea because china would clearly be pissed as fuck if n korea did anything outrageous....


....it almost seems like the United Nations could finally start acomplishing some of the loftier goals it had when it was founded.


....so a combination of apathy about a good life, desire to maintain the status quo which is better for most people than ever in history, and an understanding about how instability , terrorism, nuclear weapons in rogue states...etc... are bad, not just for the big bad US of A, but even for places u once might have thought would be against this kind of thing just to stick it in the us's eye like germany, and russia.


any thoughts ? sorry there hasnt been a new post in a and p for a while so i figd i had to come spluge all over this forum
__________________
The future's like the weather baby there aint no guarantees

I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.
John F. Kerry is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to John F. Kerry For This Useful Post:
The Rev (06-21-2010)
Old 06-21-2010, 10:33 AM   #2 (permalink)
bougeman
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 10,670
Thanks: 5,546
Thanked 6,702 Times in 3,762 Posts
As always, you get some slams on Iran that are unfounded. Iran attacking Europe? With nukes? Why?
stoneric is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2010, 10:39 AM   #3 (permalink)
bougeman
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 10,670
Thanks: 5,546
Thanked 6,702 Times in 3,762 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by John F. Kerry View Post
its a different ballgame when countries like russia chose to side with the United States over Iran, because russia knows that in the long run a solid relationship with america is better than some easy flowing gas from a nuclear power....

What Russia knows is that Russia can get more for Russia by using the u.s. instead of using Iran. Fool.
stoneric is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2010, 11:28 AM   #4 (permalink)
Secretary of State?!
 
John F. Kerry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 5,085
Thanks: 2,169
Thanked 784 Times in 505 Posts
isnt that what i said? Friend?
__________________
The future's like the weather baby there aint no guarantees

I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.
John F. Kerry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2010, 11:58 AM   #5 (permalink)
Duderino
 
Waves's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: chiburbs
Posts: 25,213
Thanks: 2,501
Thanked 7,965 Times in 4,440 Posts
Quote:
....so why isnt there more anger or crazyness as people get pissed about these things?
Cuz american idol is on dummy
__________________
Stop acting so small
You are the universe
In ecstatic motion
-Rumi
Waves is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Waves For This Useful Post:
Canuck Wisdom (06-24-2010), Cerpin Taxt (06-23-2010)
Old 06-21-2010, 12:24 PM   #6 (permalink)
bougeman
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 10,670
Thanks: 5,546
Thanked 6,702 Times in 3,762 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by John F. Kerry View Post
isnt that what i said? Friend?
No, you said Russia was siding with us and I'm saying Russia is using us. Big difference.
stoneric is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2010, 12:30 PM   #7 (permalink)
\_(⊙_ʖ⊙)_/
 
Grieves's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 22,800
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks: 10,541
Thanked 13,430 Times in 6,482 Posts
The shift will come when people realize how the global economy is just a pyramid scheme that is rapidly deflating, and when oil production slows due to poor management and a lack of a viable alternative...

If anything happens in 2012 it will not be a natural disaster, it will be an economical disaster/collapse that will make us change the way we think/approach every aspect of our lives...
__________________
| ( ◡)| (❍ᴥ❍ʋ)


tyrannical apathy
militant ignorance
recreational outrage
free lunch felon
digital hobo
landlord president
prosperity gospel
predatory delay
aggravated boredom
sonic dysentery
what is your god trying to prove


Quote:
It has zero political or cultural value. It is reactionary in the worse sense: a gnarled wailing of a million broken losers joined in the comradery of hate and petty personal grievance.
Grieves is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Grieves For This Useful Post:
Canuck Wisdom (06-24-2010)
Old 06-21-2010, 01:15 PM   #8 (permalink)
Be a beginner every day
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,411
Thanks: 3,120
Thanked 2,791 Times in 1,545 Posts
I think it's ironic and somewhat humourous that the theme of your post is about stability, and you have the dubya pic for your profile.

The US has the largest air force on the planet. The second largest air force belongs to the US Navy.

And then there's the inventory of missiles and bombs that are available too.

That's what stability means in this country. Power to defeat. It's gone way beyond 'defend'. In other countries stability is infrastructure and the largest part of that infrastructure is the people. Particularly the education and well being of the people.

Really, how much more money needs to be alloted for Military production? Not research and development, just production?

People DO need Libraries, because the internet is not free to everyone. More importantly, there is a VAST amount of literature and human knowledge available that has yet to be digitally archived. And even more importantly, the Library is a place where you can freely explore topics without restraint. Some of them are only open 4 days a week, with reduced hours at that, due to funding shortages. For THAT part of the budget.

i see that the world has come together not because of some amazing kumbaya or desire to love one another- but because countries across the world have an interest in peace, stability, no violece, connection to the outer world, and interconnected commerce

Hot damn, am I looking forward to the day American Government catches that bus. I mean, I feel like many Americans just 'need' something to fight about because of the general behaivour on both sides of the aisle.
Look at the petty shit that is argued every day in the Political Arena. BP is funding a slush fund to redistribute wealth? Really? Standing on platforms of morality, carrying a torch for family, and getting a little 'strange' on the side. Yea, it's been going on for decades with Politics. Slavery went on for decades too, and we cleaned that up.

You know when 9/11 went down, business as usual was interrupted in all of our lives because of the scale of loss. We sat silent as we listened to the leadership of this county for an answer. We were all stunned. But it was a common bond for everyone. Everyone.

Week 9 in the NFL came around, and the Broncos were playing the Raiders. And there at the neighborhood bar, I'm watching the game and this scrap developing between two tables of dudes supporting their respective teams. And they end up in a shoving match and get kicked out of the bar. Over a game that you learn to play as a kid.

Just weeks earlier we were all Americans, United We Stand.

Except for everything that we don't like, don't understand, don't believe in, perceive as a threat, or the worst, fear.

I accept that I kinda cherry picked your post, but those two things really stood out to me.
HTAM is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2010, 07:10 PM   #9 (permalink)
Are you in?
 
Ego Tripping's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 13,887
Thanks: 259
Thanked 870 Times in 507 Posts
Some Dave Matthews here feels right...

Quote:
I grew from monkey into man
Then I crushed 15 million with a wave of my hand
I'm actually with J...we're evolving, we're just evolving at different rates and towards different levels. The world will unite at some point, thats an inevitable prerequisite for survival. Does that mean we could easily exterminate ourselves? Yes, but not bloody likely in this world of incredibly easily accessible e-information. We're uniting, but just depends on whether its due to synergy or strife. I'm banking on the former and many are banking on the latter, but it might just be somewhere in between.

An afterthought (as I always have when I post here); I'm a relentless optimistic, I have to be if I want to help, but I do realize the gravity of what I am saying, which is the heart of Man is actually changing, 'Human Nature', if you will. Yes, I realize that could be construed as 'naive.' But necessity is the mother of all invention.

I reference this often, but if anyone is interested to read:

We're Getting Nicer Everyday (pdf)
__________________

God appears, and God is light,
To those poor souls who dwell in night;
But does a human form display
To those who dwell in realms of day.


Last edited by Ego Tripping; 06-22-2010 at 07:47 PM.
Ego Tripping is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Ego Tripping For This Useful Post:
John F. Kerry (06-22-2010)
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
Inactive Reminders By Icora Web Design