John F. Kerry

obama has done such a good job with healthcare, space, oil spill response, now hes moving on to "take charge " of afghanistan.


the leader of us forces expreses his "opinion" , which is protected by the 1st amendment, obamas first move- have a huge press blitz to slam his general, call him back from the war to apologize to king hussein in person, and micromanage the hell out of the one thing that had been going pretty well, which u had been keeping your damn hands off of until now.


great, obama is taking charge here too, so that means afghanistan is gonna be fucked like all his other great plans ...

First Read - McChrystal's PR man resigns, how Rolling Stone got more access

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Mafoo

do you honestly believe the things you post on here? or are you just making shit up? it seems almost impossible that anyone could be so dumb

a general openly criticizes the president, AKA THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF THE ARMED FORCES AKA MCCHRYSTAL'S BOSS, and somehow that has something to do with the war in afghanistan and the 1st ammendment.

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John F. Kerry

....which is more out of the ordinary ? a general expressing his opinion, which might not agree 100% with the presidents view on an issue

or a president calling him back to washington to explain himself, after having previously given him the greenlight to shoulder the burden of the war, to use his judgement, and to do what he thinks is right to fight the war....and then, when he does exactly that, gets thrown under the bus....


if this isnt one more example of why "learning how to be president on the job" is a bad idea, i dunno who u are trying to stand up for....

even the media isnt drinking obamas kool aid anymore, they are questioning the shit out of this, and id be surprised if mcchrystal actually gets fired...

notice there werent any direct quotes attributed to mcchrystal anyway- no where did he say anything bad about obama or ish like that, he simply expressed his views ....


....and the far left president rushes to slam him the same way moveon.org called petreus betray us.... its fucked up how both parties fuck with the military , in different ways.... im blaming obama for this, but certainly not saying the other side doesnt have its own problems.

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John F. Kerry

if u look at obamas presidency thru the lens of a totally inexperienced person making various mistakes and trying to learn his way into the presidency, i think its much easier to understand what hes doing.


the question is how much more of this can america take?

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Afghan president strongly endorses general mcchrystal....


KABUL, Afghanistan – Afghanistan's president believes that U.S. Gen. Stanley McChrystal is the "best commander" of the nearly 9-year-old war and hopes that President Barack Obama doesn't decide to replace him, the Afghan leader's spokesman said Tuesday.

McChrystal, who has publicly apologized for using "poor judgment" in an interview in Rolling Stone magazine, has been ordered to attend the monthly White House meeting on Afghanistan and Pakistan in person Wednesday rather than via a secure videolink, according to officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

He'll be expected to explain his comments to Obama and top Pentagon officials, the officials said.

President Hamid Karzai's spokesman, Waheed Omar, said the Afghan leader thinks McChrystal "is a person of great integrity," who has a very good understanding of the Afghan people and the Afghan culture.

"The president believes that Gen. McChrystal is the best commander that NATO and coalition forces have had in Afghanistan over the past nine years," Omar said, adding that McChrystal has worked very closely with Karzai since he arrived and that "lots of things have improved."

Asked what would happen if McChrystal were replaced, Omar said: "Of course, we hope that that does not happen."

Karzai's half-brother, believed among the most powerful figures in southern Afghanistan, also threw his support to McChrystal.

"He is the first good thing to happen to Afghanistan," Ahmad Wali Karzai told The Associated Press. "He is active. He is honest. He does a good job, a lot of positive things have happened since he has come."

U.S. officials are seeking the support of Ahmad Wali Karzai and other influential figures for a security operation in Kandahar, the biggest city in the south and a Taliban stronghold. The Kandahar operation is considered crucial to the U.S. strategy to turn back the Taliban.

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verklingen

i haven't read the shit but heard on fox news radio that mcchrystal was directly bashing the pres and other white house officials in some of his comments. i dunno why fox news would say something like that if it isn't true, and i really don't care enough to find out for sure

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Mafoo

honestly i might drop dead if you could post without alluding to obamas race or without using pet names you have for him. the president controls the military, hes the commander in chief. hes not fucking with anything, the military does not function as a seperate entity from the government, it functions with the permission of the president and congressional spending.

and wtf are you on about learning how to be president? was bush trained before hand or something?

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John F. Kerry

good for u for standing up for obama.


im questioning his judgement and actions. plain and simple.


....and say what u will about bush, but his experience as governor clearly showed in the way he could command the public and make it seem like he was in charge and take ownership of things ,etc etc.... today its almost like we dont have a president, hes so out of touch and trys to hide from problems and blame others for them rather than saying simply 'the buck stops with me' like any president should.

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""The president believes that Gen. McChrystal is the best commander that NATO and coalition forces have had in Afghanistan over the past nine years," Omar said, adding that McChrystal has worked very closely with Karzai since he arrived and that "lots of things have improved."
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thats a quote from the president of afghanistan....


obama does this same thing over and over and over.... despite people telling him what hes gonna do is stupid and wrong, he just plows ahead anyway....

wtf


which is more important the fact that afghanis say hes "the best thing to happen to their country in 9 years" or that obama has his feelings hurt by a respected general expressing his opinions.

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verklingen

you're wondering why the commander in chief wants to know why his main general is talking shit about him and his administration? because that's all that has happened. i don't know what there is to question about it

i think mafoo is spot on with his analysis of what you're doing here. you're not looking for a discussion, just a place to spam your dislike of our president in every minutely possible way

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Mafoo

ya i dont think anyones drinking your kool aid anymore.

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hmmm....

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and i think that all u guys are doing is standing up for the president you abstracly like for some reason without critically looking at his actions and whether they make even the most remote sense in any way.


....and i can still gleam interesting information from ur posts both of u even tho u are basically just trying to fall in behind obama.... so i dunno why u cant look at my posts for their information content despite the heavy criticism of obama they also contain.

i wouldnt be against obamas actions if i wasnt against obamas actions... i mean really....

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Mafoo

im reading through the article. mcchrystal has absolutely no tact. youd think a man who represents one of the most powerful nations in the world could refrain from dropping f bombs and talking like hes some sort of bad ass in a bar fight.

i think obama is more concious of the way it is in the world, rather than just in the states, than bush was. both presidents are merely functionalists, im not saying obama is some wonder president or anything. the point of this thread though is that an officer went against the chain of command and was punished, and not in a bad way either. hes still going to be in afghanistan.

you arent going to change my mind on the subject and im sure likewise is true for you.

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verklingen

i'm not standing up for anyone, just wondering what exactly the issue is here. you haven't given quite as much information in your posts as you may think. i can only glean that you're upset and wonder why aside from your penchant for ripping into your political adversaries at the drop of a hat

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John F. Kerry

word guys thats a much kinder reply, thank u

lets all learn to say FUCK OFF in a nice way , or at least in the way that doesnt let the other side dismiss u simply as a hater

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John F. Kerry

i agree with that, and i do like some of the good things for america that have come from that(in terms of cooperation, etc)....altho to be fair, its mostly words we've gotten, but even those are nice, and if they turn into more, it will definately be one area to give that style of leadership credit for.

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stoneric

Wow, using karzai's endorsement of mcchrystal is going pretty low.

1rst ammendment rights don't exist for soldiers. They live under the UCMJ. Do you think there's a debate every time an order is given?

John F. Kerry

no stoneric that is correct, and this goes to mafoos point too... but tommy franks and norman shwatzkoff were both somewhat obnoxious and bullheaded and coarse dudes too. they are career military dudes, they probably dont sit down to tea and toast at 3. .....


i dont doubt for one second that mcchrystal understands his place in the military heirarchy for one second chrystal clear.... hahahahhaha pun intended ohmggglollll

so if the 2nd guy or 3rd guy in line cant have an honest expression of difference of views, then what is he there for ? he apologized for having his aids allow a rolling stone reporter to pull a modern day "almost famous" on him....and just like in almost famous, no one should get fired or punished because rolling stones bastard insidious reporters managed to trash someone else.... because mcchrystal probably didnt even intend his comments to be public, he didnt go out and make a speech or anything, his aide allowed this reporter to follow the inner circle around for some months, literally just like in almost famous, and then he reported true things that went on....

so what is sooo terrible about the truth that came out? that mcchristal has some genuine differences of opinion, with obama, and that hes a distinguished military officer described by the president of the country we are fighting in as "the best man to come here in 9 years"...

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stoneric

He's fucking planning wars and you say his irresponsibilty should be ignored?