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Old 08-17-2010, 09:50 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Kevin Barrett's letter to Obama

Kevin Barrett, whose radio show I had the honor of being a guest on a few weeks ago, so eloquently tells it like it is:

Kevin Barrett's Letter to Obama

The best means of repentance and reparation, in my view, would be for the U.S. government to fund and build a new mosque at Ground Zero covering the entire World Trade Center site, with twin minarets looming above in memory of the Twin Towers' destruction by genocidal Islamophobes. The minarets should be more than 700 feet in height, which would make the new structure the world's tallest mosque. This mosque should house a 9/11 Truth Museum documenting the evidence that 9/11 was carried out by U.S. and Israeli insiders, not Muslims. It could include such artifacts as the laughably bogus "last will and testament of Mohammed Atta," pieces of airplane wreckage from earlier crashes that were planted at the alleged 9/11 crash sites, WTC structural steel samples showing melting and evaporation caused by explosives, videos and other objects seized from the Israeli Mossad team that filmed and celebrated their colleagues' destruction of the World Trade Center, unflattering wax figures of such 9/11 villains as Dick Cheney, Larry Silverstein, and Benjamin Netanyahu, and samples of nanothermite-laden World Trade Center dust.
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Long time no see, buddy ol' pal!

I'm just trying to envision Barrett's idea... I kinda think those twin minarets would liven up the skyline!

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Kevin Barrett, whose radio show I had the honor of being a guest on a few weeks ago, so eloquently tells it like it is:

Kevin Barrett's Letter to Obama

The best means of repentance and reparation, in my view, would be for the U.S. government to fund and build a new mosque at Ground Zero covering the entire World Trade Center site, with twin minarets looming above in memory of the Twin Towers' destruction by genocidal Islamophobes. The minarets should be more than 700 feet in height, which would make the new structure the world's tallest mosque. This mosque should house a 9/11 Truth Museum documenting the evidence that 9/11 was carried out by U.S. and Israeli insiders, not Muslims. It could include such artifacts as the laughably bogus "last will and testament of Mohammed Atta," pieces of airplane wreckage from earlier crashes that were planted at the alleged 9/11 crash sites, WTC structural steel samples showing melting and evaporation caused by explosives, videos and other objects seized from the Israeli Mossad team that filmed and celebrated their colleagues' destruction of the World Trade Center, unflattering wax figures of such 9/11 villains as Dick Cheney, Larry Silverstein, and Benjamin Netanyahu, and samples of nanothermite-laden World Trade Center dust.

Lol at this netanyahu and silverstein those fucking yids its all ther fault. Is this guy hoping for an all expense paid trip and vip passes to holocaust deniers 2010 in tehran, lol
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I just gota say u 9/11 truthers are either totally fucking retarded or else some day ur gona be seen as prophets
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I'm just left wondering:

Why the need for a super mosque?
Why so close to ground zero?
Why the need for another mosque in the first place given all that occupy the radius around the one proposed?
If everything is above board, why the reluctance to name the financiers?

But, and more importantly, who gives a shit?
If, like everything else our govt backs, it's meant for nothing more than sheeple control, it'll go through in spite of everyone's whining and crying.
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Putting a Mosque Next to WTC-7 is... BLASPHEMY!!!

Guest column by Rev. Darvis P. Fuddlesnapper, Pastor, Church of Jesus H. Christ Warmonger

When I first heard that them thar Islamics wanted to put up a mosque next to that big hole where the Twin Towers use to be, it made me so mad I almost split my britches. And I preached me a sermon calling on the Almighty to strike down the mayor and the Islamics and all the rest of the blasphemers.

But after church, one of them nice Christian ladies who graces the front pew every Sunday (I call her "Our Lady of the Cleavage" but please don't mention that to my wife Ethel) told me the mosque site is actually a lot closer to World Trade Center Building 7 than it is to the hole where the Towers used to be.

Holy tarnation! A mosque next to Building 7!

You know what that means, don't you? That means those pesky Islamicals are THANKING ALLAH for the MIRACULOUS DESTRUCTION OF BUILDING 7!

Those darn Muslimists know full well that Building 7 was never hit by a plane, and only had modest fires on a couple of floors, when suddenly -- WHAM! -- it came straight down at free-fall speed for no particular reason around 5:20 in the afternoon of 9/11. For the Islamics, the destruction of Building 7 was a miracle from Allah! No wonder they're putting up a shrine next door!

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In a speech at a Ramadan Iftar dinner at Grace Mansion Tuesday, Mayor Michael Bloomberg offered an extended defense of the proposed Islamic community center and mosque near the World Trade Center site. Those who say the center should not be built “would compromise our commitment to fighting terror with freedom,” the mayor said. “There is nowhere in the five boroughs that is off limits to any religion.”

Below, the full transcript of Bloomberg’s prepared remarks.

Good evening, and Ramadan Kareem. I want to welcome everyone to our annual Ramadan Iftar at Gracie Mansion.

We call this ‘The People’s House,’ because it belongs to all 8.4 million New Yorkers who call this city home. People of every race and religion, every background and belief. We celebrate that diversity here in this house with gatherings like this.

And for me, whether it’s marking St. Patrick’s Day or Harlem Week or any other occasion, these gatherings are always a powerful reminder of what makes our city so strong and our country so great.

America is a nation of immigrants, and no place opens its doors more widely to the world than New York City. America is the land of opportunity, and no place offers its residents more opportunity to pursue their dreams than New York City. America is beacon of freedom, and no place defends those freedoms more fervently, or has been attacked for those freedoms more ferociously, than New York City.

In recent weeks, a debate has arisen that I believe cuts to the core of who we are as a city and a country. The proposal to build a mosque and community center in Lower Manhattan has created a national conversation on religion in America, and since Ramadan offers a time for reflection, I’d like to take a few minutes to reflect on the subject.

There are people of good will on both sides of the debate, and I would hope that everyone can carry on the dialogue in a civil and respectful way. In fact, I think most people now agree on two fundamental issues: First, that Muslims have a constitutional right to build a mosque in Lower Manhattan and second, that the site of the World Trade Center is hallowed ground. The only question we face is: how do we honor that hallowed ground?

The wounds of 9/11 are still very much with us. And I know that is true for Talat Hamdani, who is here with us tonight, and who lost her son, Salman Hamdani, on 9/11. There will always be a hole in our hearts for the men and women who perished that day.

After the attacks, some argued – including some of those who lost loved ones – that the entire site should be reserved for a memorial. But we decided – together, as a city – that the best way to honor all those we lost, and to repudiate our enemies, was to build a moving memorial and to rebuild the site.

We wanted the site to be an inspiring reminder to the world that this city will never forget our dead and never stop living. We vowed to bring Lower Manhattan back – stronger than ever – as a symbol of our defiance and we have. Today, it is more of a community neighborhood than ever before, with more people than ever living, working, playing and praying there.

But if we say that a mosque and community center should not be built near the perimeter of the World Trade Center site, we would compromise our commitment to fighting terror with freedom.

We would undercut the values and principles that so many heroes died protecting. We would feed the false impressions that some Americans have about Muslims. We would send a signal around the world that Muslim Americans may be equal in the eyes of the law, but separate in the eyes of their countrymen. And we would hand a valuable propaganda tool to terrorist recruiters, who spread the fallacy that America is at war with Islam.

Islam did not attack the World Trade Center – Al-Qaeda did. To implicate all of Islam for the actions of a few who twisted a great religion is unfair and un-American. Today we are not at war with Islam – we are at war with Al-Qaeda and other extremists who hate freedom.

At this very moment, there are young Americans – some of them Muslim – standing freedoms’ watch in Iraq and Afghanistan, and around the world. A couple here tonight, Sakibeh and Asaad Mustafa, has children who have served our country overseas and after 9/11, one of them aided in the recovery efforts at Ground Zero. I’d like to ask them to stand, so we can show our appreciation. Thank you.

The members of our military are men and women at arms – battling for hearts and minds. And their greatest weapon in that fight is the strength of our American values, which have always inspired people around the world. But if we do not practice here at home what we preach abroad – if we do not lead by example – we undermine our soldiers. We undermine our foreign policy objectives. And we undermine our national security.

In a different era, with different international challenges facing the country, President Kennedy’s Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, explained to Congress why it is so important for us to live up to our ideals here at home. He said, ‘The United States is widely regarded as the home of democracy and the leader of the struggle for freedom, for human rights, for human dignity. We are expected to be the model.’

We are expected to be the model. Nearly a half-century later, his words remain true. In battling our enemies, we cannot rely entirely on the courage of our soldiers or the competence of our diplomats. All of us must do our part.

Just as we fought communism by showing the world the power of free markets and free elections, so must we fight terrorism by showing the world the power of religious freedom and cultural tolerance. Freedom and tolerance will always defeat tyranny and terrorism – that is the great lesson of the 20th century, and we must not abandon it here in the 21st.

I understand the impulse to find another location for the mosque and community center. I understand the pain of those who are motivated by loss too terrible to contemplate. And there are people of every faith – including, perhaps, some in this room – who are hoping that a compromise will end the debate.

But it won’t. The question will then become, how big should the ‘no-mosque zone’ around the World Trade Center be? There is already a mosque four blocks away. Should it too, be moved?

This is a test of our commitment to American values. We must have the courage of our convictions. We must do what is right, not what is easy. And we must put our faith in the freedoms that have sustained our great country for more than 200 years.

I know that many in this room are disturbed and dispirited by the debate. But it is worth keeping some perspective on the matter. The first colonial settlers came to these shores seeking religious liberty and the founding fathers wrote a constitution that guaranteed it. They made sure that in this country the government would not be permitted to choose between religions or favor one over another.

Nonetheless, it was not so long ago that Jews and Catholics had to overcome stereotypes and build bridges to those who viewed them with suspicion and less than fully American. In 1960, many Americans feared that John F. Kennedy would impose papal law on America. But through his example, he taught us that piety to a minority religion is no obstacle to patriotism. It is a lesson that needs updating today, and it is our responsibility to accept the challenge.

Before closing, let me just add one final thought: Imam Rauf, who is now overseas promoting America and American values, has been put under a media microscope. Each of us may strongly agree or strongly disagree with particular statements he has made. And that’s how it should be – this is New York.

And while a few of his statements have received a lot of attention, I would like to read you something that he said that you may not have heard. At an interfaith memorial service for the martyred journalist Daniel Pearl, Imam Rauf said, ‘If to be a Jew means to say with all one’s heart, mind, and soul: Shma` Yisrael, Adonai Elohenu Adonai Ehad; Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One, not only today I am a Jew, I have always been one. If to be a Christian is to love the Lord our God with all of my heart, mind and soul, and to love for my fellow human being what I love for myself, then not only am I a Christian, but I have always been one.’

In that spirit, let me declare that we in New York are Jews and Christians and Muslims, and we always have been. And above all of that, we are Americans, each with an equal right to worship and pray where we choose. There is nowhere in the five boroughs that is off limits to any religion.

By affirming that basic idea, we will honor America’s values and we will keep New York the most open, diverse, tolerant, and free city in the world. Thank you.
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the thing is, if they turn it into a madrassa then some people will be able to say i told u so.
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What difference would it make if they use the community center for educational purposes? Jews and Christians have Hebrew and Sunday School. No one (at least, no one reasonable) sees a danger in that.

If I could have one wish, it would be for everyone to have a good hard laugh over how stupid they are. Bigotry, divisiveness, side-taking: it's so natural for us to devolve in the face of fear to dangerous absurdity.



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no im saying if they turn it into a radical madrassa


i think a muslim should be allowed to build a mosque, it doesnt mean radical terrorist muslims should be able to build a place of hate next door to a huge muslim attack. , i dunno which this is .
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i think a muslim should be allowed to build a mosque, it doesnt mean radical terrorist muslims should be able to build a place of hate next door to a huge muslim attack. , i dunno which this is .

I'd have to say ignorance and fear on your part is what it is...



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More I think about it j. this is just shit stirring on your part, you're not so stupid to think there is really a religious war being waged here, it just happens to be the wedge that divides easiest these days as you well know. More smoke, more mirrors, keep paying attention to the shit that doesn't matter so the real rape and pillaging can go on unfettered.
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im just trying to look at it objectively.


ive said over and over that i appreciate minority religious rights.


but on the other hand, appreciate the muslim propensity to build mosques on places of conquest, and also the way that some radical muslims will use this as a propoganda triumph.

....so i guess in the end they should be allowed to build it, im just laying out why i have reservations about it, so that in the future, if bad stuff results from it being there, people can say that there were people who recognized this might happen from the start.... if nothing bad happens and its a place for tolerance then i certainly wont complain about that.... its basically bet hedging on my part, i do think allowing them to build it sends 2 signals - 1 about how this is kinda taking advantage of our freedoms, but another one about how we accept everyone and protect every citizens rights to freedom of religion....

so.... please dont take me to be one of "those people" with the missles....
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"you're not so stupid to think there is really a religious war being waged here"


but dude, maybe these muslims arent doing that, its possible, but clearly a large percentage of muslims across the world do want an islamic caliphate and sharia law, etc etc... and some are engaging in violent jihad to bring it about.... so just because abdul farook might not be one of em, doesnt mean there isnt a religious war being fought out there.... its across europe and everywhere...
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you guys all hear about the muslim prayer center that's CLOSER to ground zero than this one will be? It's been there since before the WTC was even built.

such a false argument. I love living in Japan. They have their issues over here, but it's not a battle in the absurd like the USA has been recently.
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