greenghost

what does everyone think about prop. 19 and law enforcement agreeing with it?


California law enforcement to support Proposition 19

OldMan&TheWeed

I'm 100% for it. I even talk to the people at work about it (risky). Some pro-legalization people are not for it because it's not perfect. The big growers are against it because legal weed will be bad for business (fuck-um).

While it enjoys a slim margin of support in the polls, if I was a betting man, I'd bet that it'll fail. When you examine the breakdown in the polls, while the younger (under 40 who never vote) people support it, the older folks (over 40 who always vote) are against it.

I hope I'm wrong, but a close election is even MORE reason to vote.

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Prophet Saddam

I'm fairly optimistic considering the number of 'conservatives' who have lined up behind the initiative. Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin to name a couple.

Kompressor

Obviously everyone who posts on Yahooka hates Prop 19...

/sarcasm

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BudSniffer

I think it's great.... I don't live in Cali, but I hope it will help set a status quo for the rest of the nation. I know for a fact, I saw on the 'net the other day, Mexico wants to legalize to help stop the cartels, but said they are waiting to see how it goes in the US first.....
In my state we don't even have medical, the "bible belt" sucks! I'm afraid if prop 19 doesn't make it, it might set us all back, all across the nation.........

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profit

Umm actually.... these guys they are talking about:

"The members from LEAP are mostly retired from their professions. The active police chiefs and law enforcement groups are opposed the Proposition 19’s passage; and overwhelmingly so."

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greenghost

im all for it....i think legalization of any state is one step closer for the rest of the country and it needs to happen not only for medical patients but recreational as well.....to me its a non harmful drug that is safer than alcohol.



Prop. 19

OldMan&TheWeed

While I' voting yes, but it's far from perfection.
A few thoughts:

Prop 19 trys to keep it as illegal as possible and introducing great criminalities for tokers over 18 but less than 21.

Just passing a joint from a 20 year old to a 20 year old means what a year in prison? A Felony conviction for drugs? Ruined employment opportunities? You'll still have to be careful.

Yet while I know this bill is far from perfect, you have got to work with what you got. As Obama is so fond of saying, "The perfect should not be the enemy of the good."

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glych

You guys are all registered to vote for it, right? There's been hardly any public debate about it. Barely any mention on the news or in the papers outside of "it's coming."

Talk about it, tell your friends, get them to register so there's more +s than -s.

It's not perfect, but it is a start... but it won't pass if people don't vote for it.

The Rev

My concern is, legal or not, it may continue to be defacto illegal because of Workmans Comp insurance. Most places drug test to save money on their Workman's comp, and since pot will continue to be illegal on the Federal level, you will see employers continuing to screen for it. We've already seen this with med users. People fail a drug test in Calif, it doesn't matter if you have your card, the courts will uphold the refusal of a job.

And since people have to work...



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OldMan&TheWeed

All true, but I'll take my half loaf.

It's a step in the right direction.

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greenghost

the latest polls have prop. 19 up 47 to 38 percent. lets keep it this way so we can continue on to justice.

Debaser

At the very least, it will serve as a barometer of the public's desire to legalize the weed.

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VOTE YES

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SmokeaJoint

I hope Prop 19 goes through. If Cali gets it legalized I'm willing to bet the rest of the liberal MMJ states will follow suit. Oregon, Washington, prolly even Canada, eh? The issue of the younger voters remains, but it worked for Obama, it should (hopefully) work for Prop 19.

As far as the job drug testing goes, there are plenty of ways to get around that already. As long as the standard remains piss and saliva, we're in the clear. If they switch to hair folicle (not really cost effective), well hopefully someone comes up with something that actually works.

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cantSEEme

as much as i like prop 19, i still have my doubts on it passing. you never know how the public is truly going to vote. after all, prop. 8 passed. and just like oldman said in the first reply, the anti-pot crowd is gunning for this, they arent sleeping on the issue. it's good the word is being spread out about prop 19, my glass is just half empty on this.

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stateofkane

As they should. Employers have every right to want their workers drug-free. I don't see how legalization would work. Would the FAA rules of pilots being forbidden to use drugs stay same? Would surgeons be allowed to toke up the night before performing on a patient? Who gets to use it and who doesn't?

They will not follow suit, and it wouldn't mean anything for Cali, especially since this is more extreme than mmj. Remember in 2005 the supreme court struck down ca's mmj laws and said the feds can still prosecute. It would have to be at the federal level, and that will never happen.

SmokeaJoint

Well, the states followed suit on Cali's fuel emissions laws for one, there seems to be a pattern that if Cali passes it, everyone else jumps on the bandwagon. If the states legalize, the federal gov will have to follow suit eventually. Don't get me wrong, its wholly possible that prop 19 won't pass, or the rest of the states won't follow along. However, I've decided to remain optimistc. Its not like Prop 19 is gonna affect whether or not I smoke. Legal or not, Imma stoner.

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stoneric

Employers only concern should be whether the person they hired can perform the job they were hired to do. Legalization would work the same as legal alcohol works. You can't be impaired while performing certain tasks such as driving or working.

stateofkane

But weed stays in you longer. If an accident on the job occurs, they could give a drug test and not know whether the worker was under the influence or not (if they tested positive).

In fact, alcohol is the only drug I know of that is out of you as soon as you are sober. It would bring up a new can of worms. Right now, if you test positive, you are "guilty" even if you're not. At least that removes any complications... Pilots are subject to routine tests as well as ppl who work with dangerous equipment.

It would be a quagmire if it was legalized. Employers, insurance companies, and regulations for certain things would have to adapt. It would be an ongoing struggle with twice the bullshit we see on tobacco.