Running out of time... the slow death of project constellation...corr upt nasa administrators....

John F. Kerry · 09-24-2010, 11:26 AM

one thing it seems nobody talks about these days is nasa.

nasa could not only be the engine that brings us out of recession but it could do so in a bipartisan way.

most conservatives are against big government spending, but they also support nasa.

now if obama would increase funding to nasa, and try to spur space jobs and tech and even if it was funded thru taxpayer money, i think a huge majority of americans would suppor this.

then we could get back on the right track to having manned missions to the moon and later mars, developing new rockets .etc.

what is going on today? well, nasas chief is too busy calling oil companies to get kickbacks for when hes no longer nasa cheif adminstrator... charles bolden is a huge fucking joke and his only qualification (honestly) is that he shares skin pigmentation colors with the president.

...sorry for the harsh words, but this asshole first talked about how it was necessary to kill project constellation, to lose years and years of work and effort...that congress still doesnt even support. and now hes out trying to get kickbacks from OIL COMPANIES!!!?!

WTF

Laboratory Equipment - NASA, We Have a Problem

....im hoping that once the tea party congress comes in that they will team up with obama on one issue that 99 percent of americans can find common ground on. i dont even think rich people would mind a tax increase solely to pay for nasa and to develop new space tech and employ millions in science and engineering...

WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR? THE PARTS TO RUST INTO NOTHING! FUCK!

i dunno if its corruption, incompetence, or ideology or some combination of the 3, but this is really fucking shit up for us long term....u cant regain a 50 year lead in space development.

SmokeaJoint · 09-24-2010, 11:38 AM

Maybe nobody talks about NASA because NASA is pretty much dead. Too many budget cuts, they have pretty much no money anymore.
Shelby: Budget a 'death march' for NASA - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room

John F. Kerry · 09-24-2010, 11:46 AM

yea i know, it fucking sucks.... i wish the tea party would take up nasa as a cause celebre... even since the likes of thomas jefferson (the first tea party politician) who authorized the lewis and clark expedition to "explore unknown spaces" took place in 1804.... the line extends from there to kennedy's "i believe space is the new ocean and the united states must sail on it and be in a position second to none." speech... the american dream is fundamentally linked with nasa.

so honestly at this point im not even arguing to keep project constellation alone (although i think its a far better idea to re-invest and finish it then let it die) but i want us to have a SOLID, WELL FUNDED, UNCANCELLABLE SPACE PROGRAM!

thats what we need. please tea party, or whoever, make it happen.

SmokeaJoint · 09-24-2010, 11:52 AM

I'm of the opinion that the space program should and will be carried out by the private sector. We really haven't seen many financial gains from NASA's excursions. I see the value in them, don't get me wrong. But the fiscal benefits just haven't been there. If ANY of today's political parties are to take up the banner of NASA, they first have to be shown the money making aspect. Such are the consequences of recession.

**mothernature** · 09-25-2010, 03:04 AM

Hey I could be wrong, but isn't the space program what led to micro chips and the PC revolution? This is a good thing.

On the other hand....

Our infrastructure here in the US is falling apart. Dams, bridges, roads, sewers, etc. They need some serious attention.

You'd think that as rich as America is, we would be able to do both. I guess we choose to spend our money on other things.

Prophet Saddam · 09-25-2010, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

charles bolden is a huge fucking joke and his only qualification (honestly) is that he shares skin pigmentation colors with the president.

Oh, honestly?

This is the kind of shit that irritates me about you: coming in here as the voice of reason while lying between your teeth.

Charles F. Bolden, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Continue along...

John F. Kerry · 09-25-2010, 10:46 AM

this happens periodically on here. i think its when people dont have much to say about the topics anymore so its down to ad hominem attacks.

John F. Kerry · 09-25-2010, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mothernature

Hey I could be wrong, but isn't the space program what led to micro chips and the PC revolution? This is a good thing.

On the other hand....

Our infrastructure here in the US is falling apart. Dams, bridges, roads, sewers, etc. They need some serious attention.

You'd think that as rich as America is, we would be able to do both. I guess we choose to spend our money on other things.

yea like making unemployment benefits go for more than 99 weeks , clearly we have some great priorities.

SmokeaJoint · 09-25-2010, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

this happens periodically on here. i think its when people dont have much to say about the topics anymore so its down to ad hominem attacks.

I usually just don't post anything, but I guess people get their rocks off by demeaning others.

John F. Kerry · 09-25-2010, 01:56 PM

sorry smokeajoint i wasnt really talking about your post when i said that , yours made some good points. weve had this discussion a bunch of times on here and im not against the private sector getting into space, i just think history shows that it never seems to do what it says it will... and that space is fucking hard to suceed at- nasa is the only organization on the planet earth that has ever made machines that could fly to the moon and return safely...its been 60 years and no one , government or company has even come close to matching that....

plus the bottom line with project constellation is that it was started in 2003 after a really long and well researched study that found all sorts of recommendations from the columbia crash.... bush basically adopted all the recomendations, and was lauded by almost everyone for having a bold farsighted but also possible because its based on proven tech program... now we already had the test launch of the ares 1 crew vehicle, and you can see for yourself videos of the building and testing of the orion crew capsule and the ares 5 heavy lift launcher... they are all 1. really good designs based on nasa proven tech and 2. half built and 2/3s paid for. so i dont see any point in giving all that up like obama wants to for literally nothing except study and global warming research...

this isnt philosophical...we have to buy flights from russia to get to OUR station! why would we abandon a program that was half ready to go back to the drawing board when we need a new shuttle ASAP. like yesterday...

as for the other thing u said , i usually try not to demean anybody on here, i like to demean the people in power who are doing stupid things and appear based on their actions to be totally unqualified for their jobs like charles bolden.

SmokeaJoint · 09-25-2010, 01:59 PM

Yeah man I know. I think me and you both were referring to the good Mr. Prophet Saddam anyways.

Prophet Saddam · 09-25-2010, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

this happens periodically on here. i think its when people dont have much to say about the topics anymore so its down to ad hominem attacks.

Ad hominem attacks? Saying that you were lying between your teeth when you said that "charles bolden is a huge fucking joke and his only qualification (honestly) is that he shares skin pigmentation colors with the president."

Here's the ad hominem attack you didn't get from me earlier:

you're a racist.

And meanwhile, I'll again point to Bolden's Wikipedia biography which documents his considerable 'qualification[s]' to head NASA:
Charles F. Bolden, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

hell, he was only a United States Marine Corps major general, and former NASA astronaut.

/fucking trolls

John F. Kerry · 09-25-2010, 10:50 PM

basically i wouldnt expect you to talk about the topic or the subject at hand, at least others call u out too so its cool. if u wanna talk about why i think hes unqualified please feel free. but saying OMGZORS racist is retarded....maybe its better in bold...

John F. Kerry · 09-26-2010, 12:00 AM

i honestly cant even tell if your seriously, but if u are, good looking out

John F. Kerry · 09-26-2010, 12:03 AM

btw for some background about boldens ineptness at least in this position
read these

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NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

Shown here is NASA Administrator Charles Bolden. (YouTube)

Shown here is NASA Administrator Charles Bolden. (YouTube)

NASA Administrator Charles Bolden said in a recent interview that his "foremost" mission as the head of America's space exploration agency is to improve relations with the Muslim world.

Though international diplomacy would seem well outside NASA's orbit, Bolden said in an interview with Al Jazeera that strengthening those ties was among the top tasks President Obama assigned him. He said better interaction with the Muslim world would ultimately advance space travel.

"When I became the NASA administrator -- or before I became the NASA administrator -- he charged me with three things. One was he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math, he wanted me to expand our international relationships, and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science ... and math and engineering," Bolden said in the interview.

The NASA administrator was in the Middle East last month marking the one-year anniversary since Obama delivered an address to Muslim nations in Cairo. Bolden spoke in June at the American University in Cairo -- in his interview with Al Jazeera, he described space travel as an international collaboration of which Muslim nations must be a part.

"It is a matter of trying to reach out and get the best of all worlds, if you will, and there is much to be gained by drawing in the contributions that are possible from the Muslim (nations)," he said. He held up the International Space Station as a model, praising the contributions there from the Russians and the Chinese.

However, Bolden denied the suggestion that he was on a diplomatic mission -- in a distinctly non-diplomatic role.

"Not at all. It's not a diplomatic anything," he said.

He said the United States is not going to travel beyond low-Earth orbit on its own and that no country is going to make it to Mars without international help.

Bolden has faced criticism this year for overseeing the cancellation of the agency's Constellation program, which was building new rockets and spaceships capable of returning astronauts to the moon. Stressing the importance of international cooperation in future missions, Bolden told Al Jazeera that the moon, Mars and asteroids are still planned destinations for NASA.

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White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Monday that NASA Administrator Charles Bolden must have misspoken when he told Al Jazeera last month that one of his top priorities is to reach out to Muslim countries.

"That was not his task and that's not the task of NASA," Gibbs said.

Bolden, though, said last month in the interview that it was President Obama who gave him that task. He made a similar claim in February.

The White House also backed up Bolden last week when his remarks first stirred controversy. A White House spokesman last Tuesday said Obama wants NASA to engage with the world's best scientists and that to meet that challenge, NASA must "partner with countries around the world like Russia and Japan, as well as collaboration with Israel and with many Muslim-majority countries."

NASA last week walked back Bolden's claim that Muslim outreach was the "perhaps foremost" plank of his mission, saying that Bolden was merely talking about his "outreach" responsibilities and that space exploration is still NASA's No. 1 job.

But Gibbs on Monday appeared to deny that Bolden was asked to focus on Muslim outreach at all.

Asked whether Bolden misspoke, Gibbs said: "I think so."

He said he wasn't aware of Obama speaking to Bolden about his comments.

The Muslim comments were met with a wall of criticism last week from conservatives and former NASA officials who said that while Muslim-nation outreach is laudable, it should not be a NASA priority.

Bolden said in the interview that Obama told him before he took the job that he wanted him to do three things: inspire children to learn math and science, expand international relationships and "perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science ... and math and engineering."

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they next need to have tmz.com start a bolden watch to see what ridiculous spurrious and biazzare things he will do next...muddling the image and mission of nasa, wasting taxpayer dollars, and embaressing everyone including the president....

Grieves · 09-26-2010, 12:11 AM

I'm almost done with my rocket, then i am going to go harvest all the space gold and kill all the space whales...then i will buy the moon and point lazer pointers into peoples eyes from my perch...

stoneric · 09-26-2010, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mothernature

Hey I could be wrong, but isn't the space program what led to micro chips and the PC revolution? This is a good thing.

On the other hand....

Our infrastructure here in the US is falling apart. Dams, bridges, roads, sewers, etc. They need some serious attention.

You'd think that as rich as America is, we would be able to do both. I guess we choose to spend our money on other things.

So no space program, no computers?

America is broke.

stoneric · 09-26-2010, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

btw for some background about boldens ineptness at least in this position
read these

---------

NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

Shown here is NASA Administrator Charles Bolden. (YouTube)

Shown here is NASA Administrator Charles Bolden. (YouTube)

NASA Administrator Charles Bolden said in a recent interview that his "foremost" mission as the head of America's space exploration agency is to improve relations with the Muslim world.

Though international diplomacy would seem well outside NASA's orbit, Bolden said in an interview with Al Jazeera that strengthening those ties was among the top tasks President Obama assigned him. He said better interaction with the Muslim world would ultimately advance space travel.

"When I became the NASA administrator -- or before I became the NASA administrator -- he charged me with three things. One was he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math, he wanted me to expand our international relationships, and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science ... and math and engineering," Bolden said in the interview.

The NASA administrator was in the Middle East last month marking the one-year anniversary since Obama delivered an address to Muslim nations in Cairo. Bolden spoke in June at the American University in Cairo -- in his interview with Al Jazeera, he described space travel as an international collaboration of which Muslim nations must be a part.

"It is a matter of trying to reach out and get the best of all worlds, if you will, and there is much to be gained by drawing in the contributions that are possible from the Muslim (nations)," he said. He held up the International Space Station as a model, praising the contributions there from the Russians and the Chinese.

However, Bolden denied the suggestion that he was on a diplomatic mission -- in a distinctly non-diplomatic role.

"Not at all. It's not a diplomatic anything," he said.

He said the United States is not going to travel beyond low-Earth orbit on its own and that no country is going to make it to Mars without international help.

Bolden has faced criticism this year for overseeing the cancellation of the agency's Constellation program, which was building new rockets and spaceships capable of returning astronauts to the moon. Stressing the importance of international cooperation in future missions, Bolden told Al Jazeera that the moon, Mars and asteroids are still planned destinations for NASA.

--------

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Monday that NASA Administrator Charles Bolden must have misspoken when he told Al Jazeera last month that one of his top priorities is to reach out to Muslim countries.

"That was not his task and that's not the task of NASA," Gibbs said.

Bolden, though, said last month in the interview that it was President Obama who gave him that task. He made a similar claim in February.

The White House also backed up Bolden last week when his remarks first stirred controversy. A White House spokesman last Tuesday said Obama wants NASA to engage with the world's best scientists and that to meet that challenge, NASA must "partner with countries around the world like Russia and Japan, as well as collaboration with Israel and with many Muslim-majority countries."

NASA last week walked back Bolden's claim that Muslim outreach was the "perhaps foremost" plank of his mission, saying that Bolden was merely talking about his "outreach" responsibilities and that space exploration is still NASA's No. 1 job.

But Gibbs on Monday appeared to deny that Bolden was asked to focus on Muslim outreach at all.

Asked whether Bolden misspoke, Gibbs said: "I think so."

He said he wasn't aware of Obama speaking to Bolden about his comments.

The Muslim comments were met with a wall of criticism last week from conservatives and former NASA officials who said that while Muslim-nation outreach is laudable, it should not be a NASA priority.

Bolden said in the interview that Obama told him before he took the job that he wanted him to do three things: inspire children to learn math and science, expand international relationships and "perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science ... and math and engineering."

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they next need to have tmz.com start a bolden watch to see what ridiculous spurrious and biazzare things he will do next...muddling the image and mission of nasa, wasting taxpayer dollars, and embaressing everyone including the president....

Other than the word "foremost", I see nothing wrong with any of it.

Prophet Saddam · 09-26-2010, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John F. Kerry

btw for some background about boldens ineptness at least in this position
read these

---------

NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

Shown here is NASA Administrator Charles Bolden. (YouTube)

Shown here is NASA Administrator Charles Bolden. (YouTube)

NASA Administrator Charles Bolden said in a recent interview that his "foremost" mission as the head of America's space exploration agency is to improve relations with the Muslim world.

Though international diplomacy would seem well outside NASA's orbit, Bolden said in an interview with Al Jazeera that strengthening those ties was among the top tasks President Obama assigned him. He said better interaction with the Muslim world would ultimately advance space travel.

"When I became the NASA administrator -- or before I became the NASA administrator -- he charged me with three things. One was he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math, he wanted me to expand our international relationships, and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science ... and math and engineering," Bolden said in the interview.

The NASA administrator was in the Middle East last month marking the one-year anniversary since Obama delivered an address to Muslim nations in Cairo. Bolden spoke in June at the American University in Cairo -- in his interview with Al Jazeera, he described space travel as an international collaboration of which Muslim nations must be a part.

"It is a matter of trying to reach out and get the best of all worlds, if you will, and there is much to be gained by drawing in the contributions that are possible from the Muslim (nations)," he said. He held up the International Space Station as a model, praising the contributions there from the Russians and the Chinese.

However, Bolden denied the suggestion that he was on a diplomatic mission -- in a distinctly non-diplomatic role.

"Not at all. It's not a diplomatic anything," he said.

He said the United States is not going to travel beyond low-Earth orbit on its own and that no country is going to make it to Mars without international help.

Bolden has faced criticism this year for overseeing the cancellation of the agency's Constellation program, which was building new rockets and spaceships capable of returning astronauts to the moon. Stressing the importance of international cooperation in future missions, Bolden told Al Jazeera that the moon, Mars and asteroids are still planned destinations for NASA.

--------

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Monday that NASA Administrator Charles Bolden must have misspoken when he told Al Jazeera last month that one of his top priorities is to reach out to Muslim countries.

"That was not his task and that's not the task of NASA," Gibbs said.

Bolden, though, said last month in the interview that it was President Obama who gave him that task. He made a similar claim in February.

The White House also backed up Bolden last week when his remarks first stirred controversy. A White House spokesman last Tuesday said Obama wants NASA to engage with the world's best scientists and that to meet that challenge, NASA must "partner with countries around the world like Russia and Japan, as well as collaboration with Israel and with many Muslim-majority countries."

NASA last week walked back Bolden's claim that Muslim outreach was the "perhaps foremost" plank of his mission, saying that Bolden was merely talking about his "outreach" responsibilities and that space exploration is still NASA's No. 1 job.

But Gibbs on Monday appeared to deny that Bolden was asked to focus on Muslim outreach at all.

Asked whether Bolden misspoke, Gibbs said: "I think so."

He said he wasn't aware of Obama speaking to Bolden about his comments.

The Muslim comments were met with a wall of criticism last week from conservatives and former NASA officials who said that while Muslim-nation outreach is laudable, it should not be a NASA priority.

Bolden said in the interview that Obama told him before he took the job that he wanted him to do three things: inspire children to learn math and science, expand international relationships and "perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science ... and math and engineering."

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they next need to have tmz.com start a bolden watch to see what ridiculous spurrious and biazzare things he will do next...muddling the image and mission of nasa, wasting taxpayer dollars, and embaressing everyone including the president....

I was hoping you would talk some more about his only qualification being the color of his skin...Is it really true?

SmokeaJoint · 09-26-2010, 09:33 PM

^You really are looking for an argument, aren't you? Can we please just once stick to factual, non-biased information?

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mothernature ancientbongmaster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,232 Thanks: 1,201 Thanked 809 Times in 487 Posts	Hey I could be wrong, but isn't the space program what led to micro chips and the PC revolution? This is a good thing. On the other hand.... Our infrastructure here in the US is falling apart. Dams, bridges, roads, sewers, etc. They need some serious attention. You'd think that as rich as America is, we would be able to do both. I guess we choose to spend our money on other things.

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