wellfleation

Because companies will continue to abuse their employers in he name of profits.Prime example

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John F. Kerry

cant u understand why companies wouldnt want employees that they have to pay but that cant work?


like imagine you were the company, ok i can see taking one hit here one hit there... but after a while, even companies cant afford to keep losing money.


if anything there should be a workers bill of rights. about medical conditions etc... i mean yea it sucks if someone who works for ups breaks their arm and cant lift boxes, but what is ups supposed to do pay them to not do work for the rest of their lives?

i dunno what the answer is. i think the number of people who really need help are vastly outnumbered by those who try to suckle and game the system

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wellfleation

You are an idiot. Please never attempt to run a GOOD business as it will fail with plenty of unproductive disloyal employees (expect them to steal from you). What you fail to understand is you attempt to keep GOOD employees, and be unethical, which obviously you are not. My wife just needed to have her tubes removes due to infection TODAY. She started a new job (educated) 3 months ago after being employed at her old Co 18 years. She doesn't have the time but they value her as a manager so much she will be paid as long as she needs to recover. Ethical, good company.

Take a good look in the mirror - yuck.

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The Rev

I'm all for unions, as long as they're on a level playing field with businesses. That is, NEITHER side has any laws or regulations giving them special rights the other side doesn't have. Unfortunately, we have alot of laws benefitting and screwing both sides on the books today, so it's really hard to say where unions/management being the problem begins, and where government being the problem ends.



The Rev

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ionlylooklazy

employee owned companies is where its at

BudSniffer

I completely agree!!
A large majority of companies are making it pure hell for employees right now, and the government knows it and could care less.
Just in the last couple months they have made my wife and her co-workers learn another job and they were told last week they have to make production or they will be written up, 4 write ups and your gone. These are mostly women in their middle age and doing some heavy lifting!
My job, in the last year made us cross-train, and go from doing 1 job to 7, you also have to do a Personal Development Plan at the beginning of the year, stating what you plan on doing to help the company, stating goals, training etc.., then you have to sign it and your sup signs it saying you both agree on it. Nothing more than a contract, I don't care what they say. On top of that, they gave us a 5% pay cut last year, then when they gave it back this year, they jerked us around, changing us from salary to hourly, changing our pay schedule, so now I actually make less than I did with the 5% pay cut!!
They also are constantly pushing everyone, want to know what you are doing every second, even going so far as to have you initial what work you are doing and then the human resource lady sorts through it all and they chart it and show who is doing what at the end of the month. If you happen to be lagging behind in an area you get a talking to, and threatened to be sent to see the GM, which will prolly only happen once
They have quit giving any raises to temps when they are hired, and they have concocted a mountain of rules and loopholes to prevent you from getting raises and any chance of a bonus. Some temps will have been hired on for over a year before they even have a chance to get a raise.......
This company has maybe 250 employees and is bringing in about 3 mil a week!!!!

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John F. Kerry

as much as those stories suck, just imagine how much worse it would be if you were a worker in the workers paradises of n korea or the former ussr?

the reason this situation sucks, is because life has its bad parts... in other words, i dont see an answer to all these problems, its a matter of dealing with them as best as we can. things are way better, even with the shitty stories you guys describe, than there were for other people at other times and places... so maybe we have more work to do yet, i can agree there... i dont know if unions are the way to "Fix" things tho, hell maybe they are, but what have they been doing for the last 90 years?

ps when i read your story budsniffer it definately pulled at my heartstrings im not trying to belittle your guyses situations

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John F. Kerry

and wellfleation the woman in your story eventually got 8.1 million from the courts, so im sure shes not that sad about the whole situation.... the most egregious violations usually get fixed by lawsuits.... another system (the court and justice system) that isnt wonderfully amazingly perfect, but works pretty good and pretty much better than any other yet devised.

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stoneric

I'd say it's tilted in favor of the coporations. The problem with both groups is the few benefit from the many.

The Rev

Yes. Any time people organize into groups, and give chosen representatives the power to speak for the entire group, those representatives act like people: self-interest always plays a role.



The Rev

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stoneric

The FMLA is unpaid. Comp laws cover any workplace injuries and short term disability insurance covers non work related injuries if employees have insurance through work or a private policy. Companies only have to worry if they try to fuck somebody as this case seems to indicate.

stoneric

The payout is ridiculous.

John F. Kerry

holy montana batman we agree on something

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stoneric

We agree on pot issues.

zerodown

And thats why I critique unions, unions take the voice of every worker and dissipates its energy leaving just one(or a few more) with a voice, and that single individual is easier to "convince/persuade/buy off/manipulate/lie to" than an entire group of people.

Unions are very complex, and not always what they pretend to be.

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It's a tricky issue.

On one hand you have a workforce that needs protection from unscrupulous employers but on the other you have an organization that forces you to take the really shitty employees and have to pay them as much as the really good ones, as long as they've paid their union dues.



By the way, the union rep showed up to talk with us one day about organizing our drivers, the only thing the rep was able to say he would try to have the company give us that we weren't already getting from the company was a 1.6% pay raise which oddly enough just about worked out to the cost of monthly union dues.

We told him thank you and we were fine.

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stoneric

Unions just protect the employees based on the language of the contract which was agreed upon by both sides. If "shitty employees" are protected then blame it on the negotiators.

Good for you for not needing a union. The fact you don't probably means your company treats you like human beings and will continue to do so to keep the union out. Personally I don't like paying dues, but at least I don't have to piss in a bottle.

stoneric

But you can't have 500 people sitting around a negotiating table. It's just like our political system, we elect represenatives but unfotunately they get corrupted. The thing to do in both cases is get involved on the local level and keep your own little world clean.

SmokeaJoint

Is anyone surprised that companies are only in it for the money? Welcome to capitalism, folks!

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FUCK management.

Fuck the government.

Labor solidarity.

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