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Old 10-08-2010, 12:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Politics of Proposition 19

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The Politics of Proposition 19 - Reason Magazine

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It seems quite possible, even likely, that Californiaís historic Proposition 19 to legalize adult possession and growing of marijuana will actually pass in November. The arguments against the ballot measureóboth its alleged socially damaging effects and its alleged unconstitutionalityó are weak and unconvincing to anyone not already prejudiced against pot.
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I have two concerns if the state legalizes pot.

The first is: What will the Federal government do? With state and federal law being so opposed, the state's rights can of worms could be re-opened in unexpected ways, especially considering the hat-in-hand way that state governments are trying to put themselves into debt with the Federal gov't to bail out their budgets. It may end up being meaningless, as federal law enforcement hassles every cannabis based business that tries to open or operate in the state.

The second is employers. With workman's comp insurance being mandatory, and most workman's comp companies asking for drug testing in return for discounts, the question looms large: Will it matter if it's legal if you can't smoke it and still work in California? So far, med card holders have faced this problem, and the courts have sided with the employers.

And, with the recent overturning of the ban on gay marriange Prop 8, there's a good chance that the new law may simply be nullified by the Supreme court, as it contradicts Federal Law and the Constitution states that Federal Law supercedes that of the states. So, the whole point may end up being moot.

I hope that its passing will lead us in a direction of greater states' rights, and an easing of public and legal prejudice against marijuana. However, it's not as simple as the will of the people asserting itself, and being honored. The overlapping systems of laws and other regulations that affect our lives could end up drowning any good that might come from Prop 19. I hope this is not the case.




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As to your first concern, that article gets into that very question.
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Okay, this time I actually read the article, and it was very good. I used to subscribe to Reason back in the 90's, and it looks like it's still a pretty squared away periodical.

Of course, now I'm even more torn than before. I mean, I am totally against the institution of voting, because I consider it to be a poor substitute for real freedom, and I consider voters to be an amorphous blob of tards that are more swayed by bullshit than any real understanding of what's going on. That being said, I DO want this to pass, and, as the article states, it's more about getting people who support it to vote than persuading people one way or the other on the issue.

So, what to do... Follow my convictions? Or follow my convictions?

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Wait, so I'm the tard, and you didn't even think of this scenario yet?
Not individual voters, but rather the aggregate mass of voters. Along the lines of, "A person is reasonable, but people are idiots". It's the inverse synergy principle that a group of people will always be less than the sum of its parts relative to the size of the group.

Thanks for allowing me to clarify.



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Recent poll on all out legalization on a town by town basis on the Cape & Islands (where I grew up - this poll was taken from the Cape Cod Times):

Voters in several precincts in Falmouth and on Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket will consider a non-binding ballot question in November that would legalize marijuana - making it regulated and taxable like alcohol. Do you support this?


Since it is non-binding I’m wondering if it will pass through our legislators?
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Okay, this time I actually read the article, and it was very good. I used to subscribe to Reason back in the 90's, and it looks like it's still a pretty squared away periodical.

Of course, now I'm even more torn than before. I mean, I am totally against the institution of voting, because I consider it to be a poor substitute for real freedom, and I consider voters to be an amorphous blob of tards that are more swayed by bullshit than any real understanding of what's going on. That being said, I DO want this to pass, and, as the article states, it's more about getting people who support it to vote than persuading people one way or the other on the issue.

So, what to do... Follow my convictions? Or follow my convictions?

God dammit, Komp!



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think of it less as voting(which i happen to agree with you about) and more about promoting the public voice of reason
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Keep that non-lethal pot illegal and enjoy your nice, legal alcohol!


But to stay on topic, the two biggest obstacles to overcome for legalization are still the federal government and the state government so if we want any real progress we need to change the core of the people representing us.

Sad to say we went the wrong direction with medicinal marijuana, the push should have been for individual freedoms, we should have rallied the rednecks! Told them it the feds were coming for their guns and rolling papers.

The farce that is 'The War On Drugs!' is unfortunately profitable, on all sides. Until this changes, no matter the will of the people, prohibition will survive.
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Sad to say we went the wrong direction with medicinal marijuana, the push should have been for individual freedoms, we should have rallied the rednecks! Told them it the feds were coming for their guns and rolling papers.
I think it was the only option. The individual freedom thing had been done to death. Besides, the medicinal value is real.
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